Re: SV: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-19 Thread Erik Nordmark
[Catching up on email] Benedikt, Note that https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-rs-refresh-00 is an attempt at addressing refresh without a multicast RA every 3 seconds, by only having the host do this refresh when it knows that the router doesn't default to multicasting solicited

Re: SV: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-13 Thread Benedikt Stockebrand
Hi Lorenzo and list, Lorenzo Colitti lore...@google.com writes: On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Benedikt Stockebrand b...@stepladder-it.com wrote: they should at least send an RS when they wake up and ensure their configuration is still up to date. That sounds like a bad

Re: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-13 Thread Doug Barton
On 6/12/15 1:11 AM, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: Ole said: do we agree that a host that wakes up and has expired its last default router should restart router discovery? In my mind this makes a lot of sense. That's not necessary. For things to work well a host needs to be able to maintain

Re: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-12 Thread Ole Troan
On 12 Jun 2015, at 5:31 , Lorenzo Colitti lore...@google.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Benedikt Stockebrand b...@stepladder-it.com wrote: they should at least send an RS when they wake up and ensure their configuration is still up to date. That sounds like a bad idea. If

Re: SV: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-11 Thread Benedikt Stockebrand
Hi folks, I can't give you a decisive reference for where it's defined, but the default maximum interval is 600 seconds and the minimum interval is one third of that (200 seconds, not 180). The 1800s value may be a misinterpretation of the router lifetime field in the RAs, which has a default

Re: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-11 Thread Benedikt Stockebrand
Hi Tore and list, Tore Anderson t...@fud.no writes: There was another thing I thought of, though. We have a wireless network with two redundant upstream routers that are not running a FHRP like VRRP. Active/passive, since they do stateful inspection of traffic. My solution to facilitate

Re: SV: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-11 Thread Ignatios Souvatzis
Hi, On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 09:56:45AM +, Benedikt Stockebrand wrote: As far as tweaking these values to deal with some sleepy devices is concerned: I'd personally prefer to consider these devices broken; they should at least send an RS when they wake up and ensure their configuration is

Re: SV: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-11 Thread Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
Please read some IETF draft related to NDP/multicast/WiFi issues (Lorenzo is very active there). Multicast RA are not really needed anyway, some 'high market' (see my email address) AP have dozens of tricks to reply to RS with a UNIcast RA, and trying to reduce the amount of NDP mcast. If you

Re: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-11 Thread John Mann
Lorenzo On 10 June 2015 at 18:23, Lorenzo Colitti lore...@google.com wrote: John, are *all* IPv6 packets blocked, or just multicast packets? I know that a number of devices will drop multicast IPv6 packets. This eventually blackholes connections because the device stops receiving RAs and

Re: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-11 Thread Tore Anderson
* Lorenzo Colitti lore...@google.com On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Tore Anderson t...@fud.no wrote: are *all* IPv6 packets blocked, or just multicast packets? I know that a number of devices will drop multicast IPv6 packets. This eventually blackholes connections because the device

SV: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-10 Thread erik.taraldsen
I see that. I don’t think the problem is confined to Samsung or that it can be completed solved in isolation from fixing wireless AP router behaviour. At the edge of the WiFi network I also see the IPv6 connectivity dropping while IPv4 stays up. I’ve a ZyXEL home router that sends periodic

Re: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-10 Thread Jeremy Visser
On 10/06/15 18:23, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: are *all* IPv6 packets blocked, or just multicast packets? I know that a number of devices will drop multicast IPv6 packets. On that note, some wireless access points have the ability to convert multicast packets into unicast packets. Both the Cisco

Re: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-10 Thread Tore Anderson
* Lorenzo Colitti are *all* IPv6 packets blocked, or just multicast packets? I know that a number of devices will drop multicast IPv6 packets. This eventually blackholes connections because the device stops receiving RAs and thus loses its default route, but that can be worked around by

Re: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-10 Thread Tim Chown
On 10 Jun 2015, at 10:33, erik.tarald...@telenor.com erik.tarald...@telenor.com wrote: I believe our Cisco equipment defaults to 10 minutes (600 seconds). There will also be RAs in response to RS messages. From the googeling I've done it seems that the defaults span from 180 to 600

Re: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-10 Thread Ross Chandler
On 10 Jun 2015, at 06:33, John Mann john.m...@monash.edu wrote: Hi, We have noticed that Samsung Android phones and tablets on dual-stack IPv4/IPv6 WiFi experience delayed Google notifications when the screen is off. This issue is blocking the enabling of IPv6 across our large campus

Re: Samsung phones block WiFi IPv6 when sleeping, delayed notifications

2015-06-10 Thread Tim Chown
On 10 Jun 2015, at 10:20, erik.tarald...@telenor.com erik.tarald...@telenor.com wrote: I see that. I don’t think the problem is confined to Samsung or that it can be completed solved in isolation from fixing wireless AP router behaviour. At the edge of the WiFi network I also see the IPv6