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Jim,
With all due respect, you are a ham radio operator, and the reference at
the bottom of your recent post
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Les,
I totally agree. Any QSL's we receive are a wonderful gift from the
station. HAM radio is much different. QSLing is a huge part of that
hobby. Stations are there to make money and keep their head above water.
We should all be very thankful with any QSLs we get back. This is not
1965.
73,
Les and patrick are syaing things that areExactly what I said several posts
back that no one seemed to reply to.
Paul
On Nov 26, 2007 2:43 PM, Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Les,
I totally agree. Any QSL's we receive are a wonderful gift from the
station. HAM radio is much
Patrick and Les and group
HAM radio is much different. QSLing is a
huge part of that hobby.
I agree with everything that Les has said on this
subject. And as a clarification of what Patrick said,
it is true that QSLing is a big part of the amateur
radio hobby as ARRL awards are based on QSLs.
--- Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Les,
I totally agree. Any QSL's we receive are a
wonderful gift from the station.
That is true.
HAM radio is much different. QSLing is a
huge part of that hobby.
No, it is NOT. It is only to the DX'ers that do
contests, and county
Powell,
Since I am not a HAM, I don't follow them all that much these days. So,
QSLing for HAMs has really dropped off too. That is too bad, but I guess
the times do change.
73,
Patrick
Patrick Martin
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Thank you Paul. Yes, many of us that are/have been on the other end, as
QSLers, see the good the bad. Fortunately with KAVT, I have only
received one bad report in the years I have been doing the QSLing.
Everyone has been very nice with their reports. But I have heard from
others who QSL, that
Patrick:
When you said So we should all go out of our way to see things from the
stations/QSLers point of view.
In this whole email exchange of 23 or so emails, thats the point I've been
trying to make.
Stations go out of their way for us, we DX'ers should do it for them.
However, I get the
HAM radio is much different. QSLing is a
huge part of that hobby.
I agree with everything that Les has said on this
subject. And as a clarification of what Patrick said,
it is true that QSLing is a big part of the amateur
radio hobby as ARRL awards are based on QSLs.
Getting my two
--- Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Powell,
Since I am not a HAM, I don't follow them all that much these days.
So,
QSLing for HAMs has really dropped off too. That is too bad, but I
guess
the times do change.
In my experiences in ham radio on VHF, going back even 20-30
Unfortunately, many operators do not care at all about
this aspect of the hobby anymore. The overall return
rate on the ARRL's Logbook of the World (electronic)
QSLing program is somewhere around 7%. With eQSL, it
is more like 5%. I probably have a higher percentage
with paper QSLs, only
Frankly, Konnie, I think your attitude is a poor one.
Amen to that!
If you want verification make a recording and keep it.
That proves your reception much more than any piece of paper.
This is what I do and I have a monster pile of CDs to go back and
remember the catch.
I think Jim and
HAM Radio operators QSL that poorly? Wow. No wonder getting a QSL out of
some CEs that are HAMs is not any easier. It looks like HAM radio is
going down the tubes too. That is really sad.
73,
Patrick
Patrick Martin
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Russ,
75-90% is what I would have expected, if not better. But it looks like
QSLs are becoming harder to get everywhere.
73,
Patrick
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Paul,
One nasty letter, e mail, or phone call from a DXer ruins things for the
rest of us. I have heard this first hand from CEs I know. Some are just
not interested in going the extra mile for us any longer. Some people
feel that those stations were not interested in replying anyway, so it
my be
There's NO excuse.. NO MATTER WHAT.. for a DX'er to harass or bother a
station over a QSL that wans't issued.
Paul
On Nov 26, 2007 8:13 PM, Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul,
One nasty letter, e mail, or phone call from a DXer ruins things for the
rest of us. I have heard this
Pal,
Of course there is no excuse for a bad attitude, but still DXers will do
it.
73,
Patrick
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Opinions expressed
Fortunately, there are a lot of good operators out
there who still issue them. I really enjoy the special
event stations, as you are practically guarenteed of
getting a card once you complete the QSO. But these
are largely civic groups that are doing this out of
their enjoyment as well.
P.S.
to be done for it, though, right or wrong..
Craig Healy
Providence, RI
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--- Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Russ,
75-90% is what I would have expected, if not better. But it looks
like
QSLs are becoming harder to get everywhere.
One of things I've found is that when you send a card to one of the big
club stations which is operating a contest
Hi Patrick
I think in all fairness to hams, fortunately the hobby
is not going down the tubes (just the QSL part).
Michigan's count is up 1.5% from last year, ARRL is
always reporting near record crowds for it's various
contests such as Field Day, and the emergency aspects
of ham radio is second
Joe,
The seaside HAM convention always seems to get a lot too. But
unfortunately, we are all getting grey.
Patrick Martin
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: Konnie Rychalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [IRCA] Poor Excuses kill this hobby
Jim,
With all due respect, you are a ham radio operator,
and the reference at the bottom of your recent post
( QRZ.com ) does an excellent job at defining
what a QSL is, unless you have redefined it. I in
no way
that the below is a
total load of crap!
73 - J.D. Stephens
From: Konnie Rychalsky
Subject: [IRCA] Poor Excuses kill this hobby
Jim,
With all due respect, you are a ham radio operator,
and the reference at the bottom of your recent post
( QRZ.com ) does an excellent job at defining
what a QSL
many meet your strict criteria? Are you even
reporting your QSLs to the club?
QSL collecting is a dying part of the hobby and we're just changing with the
times.
Martin Foltz
Mission Viejo CA
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Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:40:48 -0500
From: Konnie Rychalsky
Subject: [IRCA] Poor Excuses
Russ,
Well, as an avid QSLer and with me, the two do go together. OK,
mentioning WRGG, WISN, and WOKY. Two out of three for me Ain't bad
and I got em' QSL'd, but it took a bit of work. The GM at WRGG with a
ppc and the next CE inline with WISN, with a letter verie. I never def
IDed WOKY during
--- Bill Harms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Russ, I would add it would be nice (not required), even if you don't
try
for a QSL, to send a note to the station thanking them for taking the
time to do something for DXers that they did not have to do.
I agree.
Russ Edmunds
Blue Bell, PA (
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Jim,
With all due respect, you are a ham
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Jim,
With all due respect, you are a ham radio operator
--- Konnie Rychalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim,
With all due respect, you are a ham radio operator, and the reference
at the bottom of your recent post ( QRZ.com ) does an excellent job
at defining what a QSL is, unless you have redefined it. I in no
way suggested that you insist
Russ, I would add it would be nice (not required), even if you don't try
for a QSL, to send a note to the station thanking them for taking the
time to do something for DXers that they did not have to do.
Bill
Russ Edmunds wrote:
--- Konnie Rychalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim,
With all
--- Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But, after the turn of the
century, things changed very quickly, almost over-night. The attitude
toiwards the DXer changed very much. Some fly in the ointment changed
all that. Corporate ownership may have had some effect, but hey,
there
were
Martin,
Very well written. I could not had said it better. We take what we can
get and another way to say it. Like today, I got a nice surprise with a
nice letter on station letterhead from KMER-940-Kemmerer WY, running
150w at night. I am very pleased with that. Not only because of the low
Russ,
Again, very good comments. You know at times I wish the internet, e
mail, etc. was never invented. There is a lot of good but a lot of
negative things like you mentioned. I KNOW for a fact that several
engineers read our postings. I have had them forwarded to me more than
once.
73,
Jim,
With all due respect, you are a ham radio operator, and the reference at the
bottom of your recent post ( QRZ.com ) does an excellent job at defining
what a QSL is, unless you have redefined it. I in no way suggested that you
insist upon the testing-station that you educate them, but
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