Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747
I listened to the recording several times to see if I could pick something out. Well, right at 1024z, I heard a few bits of audio, which I could not correlate to anything going on on 750 or 740. I think I had something else, but of course there was not enough there to claim a logging. Oh well. Bill Bill Harms wrote: Between 1022 and 1038z 11/23, there was a definite carrier on 747. Unfortunately, there was no discernible audio and lots of slop. Give the fact that the carrier was so stable, I believe that with a better antenna and WSB nulled out sufficiently, that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. I also had slight traces on 693, 738, and 774 on the recording. Bill Harms DXing from Long Island Beach, New Jersey, but home in Maryland now ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747
--- On Mon, 11/24/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill- You would be right that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. It has been done in the past. HOWEVER, there is a problem with your present assumption. The sun is still up in Japan. I believe that we need an all dark path between us and the DX target to hear it. Might be wrong but 52 years of BCB DXing has shown me that is the case. I think your hearing, many, Holland HET on 747, or maybe a European. By that measure, no Europeans would be possible as the path is over 75% in the light at that time. The path to Japan - and most importantly the skip points - are largely in darkness. Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL ) [15 mi NNW of Philadelphia] 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id [EMAIL PROTECTED] FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15' AM: Modified Sony ICF 2010 barefoot ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747
So Willis was wrong for once? I did the math after Neil explained it to me and even I Figured out it was dark, not light out as Willis claimed. Paul On 11/25/08, Russ Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Mon, 11/24/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill- You would be right that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. It has been done in the past. HOWEVER, there is a problem with your present assumption. The sun is still up in Japan. I believe that we need an all dark path between us and the DX target to hear it. Might be wrong but 52 years of BCB DXing has shown me that is the case. I think your hearing, many, Holland HET on 747, or maybe a European. By that measure, no Europeans would be possible as the path is over 75% in the light at that time. The path to Japan - and most importantly the skip points - are largely in darkness. Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL ) [15 mi NNW of Philadelphia] 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id [EMAIL PROTECTED] FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15' AM: Modified Sony ICF 2010 barefoot ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747
Between 1022 and 1038z 11/23, there was a definite carrier on 747. Unfortunately, there was no discernible audio and lots of slop. Give the fact that the carrier was so stable, I believe that with a better antenna and WSB nulled out sufficiently, that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. I also had slight traces on 693, 738, and 774 on the recording. Bill Harms DXing from Long Island Beach, New Jersey, but home in Maryland now ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747
Between 1022 and 1038z 11/23, there was a definite carrier on 747. Unfortunately, there was no discernible audio and lots of slop. Give the fact that the carrier was so stable, I believe that with a better antenna and WSB nulled out sufficiently, that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. I also had slight traces on 693, 738, and 774 on the recording. Hi Bill- You would be right that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. It has been done in the past. HOWEVER, there is a problem with your present assumption. The sun is still up in Japan. I believe that we need an all dark path between us and the DX target to hear it. Might be wrong but 52 years of BCB DXing has shown me that is the case. I think your hearing, many, Holland HET on 747, or maybe a European. 73's Willis Old Fort, TN ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747
Willis I beg to differ..at 1022z (GMT UTC London's winter time or whatever you want to call it) the sun is long down in Japan this time of year and the path is in full darkness and mostly arctic. The time is very late for Europe, or Canaries 747 or Azores 693. I suggest phasing WSB to help log Japan 73 KAZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747 Between 1022 and 1038z 11/23, there was a definite carrier on 747. Unfortunately, there was no discernible audio and lots of slop. Give the fact that the carrier was so stable, I believe that with a better antenna and WSB nulled out sufficiently, that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. I also had slight traces on 693, 738, and 774 on the recording. Hi Bill- You would be right that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. It has been done in the past. HOWEVER, there is a problem with your present assumption. The sun is still up in Japan. I believe that we need an all dark path between us and the DX target to hear it. Might be wrong but 52 years of BCB DXing has shown me that is the case. I think your hearing, many, Holland HET on 747, or maybe a European. 73's Willis Old Fort, TN ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747
Neil, 1022z GMT/UTC is what time Central? Never gotten to figuring out UTC and GMT time. How is it calculated? Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On 11/24/08, Neil Kazaross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Willis I beg to differ..at 1022z (GMT UTC London's winter time or whatever you want to call it) the sun is long down in Japan this time of year and the path is in full darkness and mostly arctic. The time is very late for Europe, or Canaries 747 or Azores 693. I suggest phasing WSB to help log Japan 73 KAZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747 Between 1022 and 1038z 11/23, there was a definite carrier on 747. Unfortunately, there was no discernible audio and lots of slop. Give the fact that the carrier was so stable, I believe that with a better antenna and WSB nulled out sufficiently, that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. I also had slight traces on 693, 738, and 774 on the recording. Hi Bill- You would be right that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. It has been done in the past. HOWEVER, there is a problem with your present assumption. The sun is still up in Japan. I believe that we need an all dark path between us and the DX target to hear it. Might be wrong but 52 years of BCB DXing has shown me that is the case. I think your hearing, many, Holland HET on 747, or maybe a European. 73's Willis Old Fort, TN ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747
At 02:47 11/25/2008, you wrote: Between 1022 and 1038z 11/23, there was a definite carrier on 747. Unfortunately, there was no discernible audio and lots of slop. Give the fact that the carrier was so stable, I believe that with a better antenna and WSB nulled out sufficiently, that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. I also had slight traces on 693, 738, and 774 on the recording. These are definitely worthwhile targets in the east during these quiet conditions, Bill. 160m amateurs in the northeast are working Japanese contacts, for example. And, while working on Cape Cod last month, I also noted the 747 carrier in the presunrise period after the Europeans were in daylight. This was using an ALA100 with a 16m circumference loop, so as you say, a better antenna might have brought something out. best wishes, Nick * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747
At 03:23 11/25/2008, you wrote: Between 1022 and 1038z 11/23, there was a definite carrier on 747. Hi Bill- You would be right that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. It has been done in the past. HOWEVER, there is a problem with your present assumption. The sun is still up in Japan. Hi Willis, Sapporo sunset is around 0700UTC (or z as Bill indicated) right now, so this would have been a darkness path for over 3 hours. And you folks in the rest of the continent are probably getting tired of us west coasters getting excited about Japanese and Russian fade-ins up to an hour before their local sunsetAt this time of year, far northerly paths seem to be viable even when the sun is up. And, Japan has been heard on an ultralight radio in Oklahoma recently, so it's definitely worth hunting for from all over the continent. best wishes, Nick * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747
Those ALA loops are superb for what they are. Wellbrook makes great products. I sincerely recommend the Wellbrook Phased Array of two of them to anyone with a decent sized lot..150 ft. re: 747...I seriously need to nab them here in IL this season. I can terminate a BOG about 310 ft long right at them and tune the termination for low band and then add a phase wire to make sure WSB is GONE. 73 KAZ who knows where his weekend exercise is coming from. - Original Message - From: Nick Hall-Patch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] Japan in New Jersey on 747 At 02:47 11/25/2008, you wrote: Between 1022 and 1038z 11/23, there was a definite carrier on 747. Unfortunately, there was no discernible audio and lots of slop. Give the fact that the carrier was so stable, I believe that with a better antenna and WSB nulled out sufficiently, that Japan could be heard in New Jersey. I also had slight traces on 693, 738, and 774 on the recording. These are definitely worthwhile targets in the east during these quiet conditions, Bill. 160m amateurs in the northeast are working Japanese contacts, for example. And, while working on Cape Cod last month, I also noted the 747 carrier in the presunrise period after the Europeans were in daylight. This was using an ALA100 with a 16m circumference loop, so as you say, a better antenna might have brought something out. best wishes, Nick * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
