[Issue 127717] Printer Features Not Discovered By Program

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Paper format options

This screenshot shows the paper format options.  Note the missing borderless
choice.  Also not that OO does get the settings from the printer information
because it states exactly that from the paper tray option.

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Actual printer settings

This screenshot shows the actual printer capabilities.

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--- Comment #10 from kitchm  ---
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This popup does not display the truth

The attached screenshot does not show the truth.  The settings are not out of
range.

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--- Comment #9 from kitchm  ---
Thanks oooforum (fr),
After translating Bureautique to English, I found that item under the Office
menu and not the system menu.   (I had missed it before.)

In any case, all it shows is the printer's options, including the listing of a
"Letter Borderless 8.5x11in" item.  However, that does not make the format
available in the program.

Evidently the program does see it, but can't use it.

I hope this helps you all see that the program does actually see the printer
and its features but fails to use them.

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Screen capture for this menu

(In reply to kitchm from comment #5)
>> "You can use OpenOffice Printer Management (in system menu) to configure
>> printers and fonts."
> Not in my system menu.  I have no clue to what you are referring.
Example on french LUbuntu 17.04 and AOO 4.1.4
Item in system menu and dialog

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--- Comment #7 from Peter  ---
I think this feature request is about integrating the printer preview into the
standard Document view.

I think this has a lot to do with beeing able to design and layout the result
you are producing in your document.

I don't like the drama or the overdrawn importance of this feature.
It clouds the vision and benefit that this feature might have. Please try to
remove the emotional wording in your posts. You are the lead designer of this
feature and in order to have success you must convince others to follow your
view. And you should go beyond what you wrote. How should the Application know
what you want to Do? I think we need to describe better how this could look
like.

Especially it is only know to the application that you want to print the
document when you press the print button. So how do you envision that the
Program knows what your target is?

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--- Comment #6 from kitchm  ---
There seems to be a huge problem here.  The issue is that the software does not
understand what the printer can do.  Therefore the software, which is designed
to output to the printer, cannot output correctly.

That statement is a simple fact.  No one can get around that nor can anyone say
it is not true and be correct themselves.

At the most basic point, I couldn't care less whether printing is part of the
OS or not.  It simply makes no difference.

I am beginning to believe that the programmers do not see this as a bug, and
that leads me to wonder why anyone would not want to make their word processor
be able to use all the features of their output environment.  That is
mind-boggling.  How can AOO not print full-bleed?

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--- Comment #5 from kitchm  ---
"Printing process is a part of operating system and not AOO."
That's not true. If it was, AOO would see what is available in the usable
printers.  As it is, it does not see the same things.  AOO has its own list.

It can't be both ways, people.

"For Linux distro, it is CUPS."
That's correct; not part of the OS.

"You can use OpenOffice Printer Management (in system menu) to configure
printers and fonts."
Not in my system menu.  I have no clue to what you are referring.

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--- Comment #4 from kitchm  ---
Wrong about what?

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--- Comment #3 from oooforum (fr)  ---
>It does not matter.  The program does not incorporate the printer information 
>as
> it should in any environment.
Wrong! Under Windows or MacOS, you have it.

Printing process is a part of operating system and not AOO.
For Linux distro, it is CUPS.
You can use OpenOffice Printer Management (in system menu) to configure
printers and fonts.

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--- Comment #2 from kitchm  ---
It does not matter.  The program does not incorporate the printer information
as it should in any environment.

An example is under Format>Page>Paper Format>Paper Tray, it shows that the
selection is "(From printer settings)", which proves part of my point. If
printer settings are used for anything, then why not use them for everything,
such as for "Format"?

One can easily find paper sizes in various printers which are not in the Format
list.  For instance, my printer is full-bleed capable, but Writer is not.  That
makes no sense.

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--- Comment #1 from oooforum (fr)  ---
Could you be more precise?
Which distro, printer model and used driver...

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