Re: back compat is good

2009-06-11 Thread Michael McCandless
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Mark Miller wrote: >> The computer should handle that >> for me. It really should be as easy >> as saying, look I want the best new defaults, or I want the back compat >> defaults. The computer should figure >>

Re: back compat is good

2009-06-10 Thread Mark Miller
Yonik Seeley wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Mark Miller wrote: The computer should handle that for me. It really should be as easy as saying, look I want the best new defaults, or I want the back compat defaults. The computer should figure out the rest for me. actsAsVersion ;

Re: back compat is good

2009-06-10 Thread Grant Ingersoll
I'm not against back compatibility. In fact, I agree with your points, especially the use of the phrase "commonly used interfaces". My main problem is our approach seems to be very dogmatic and detrimental for _less_ commonly used interfaces (more importantly less commonly _implemented_ In

Re: back compat is good

2009-06-10 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Mark Miller wrote: > The computer should handle that > for me. It really should be as easy > as saying, look I want the best new defaults, or I want the back compat > defaults. The computer should figure > out the rest for me. actsAsVersion ;-) nice and back compa

Re: back compat is good

2009-06-10 Thread Mark Miller
As far as default settings, it seems like it can be mostly fixed with documentation (i.e. recommended settings for maximum performance). That seems like a very small burden for people writing new applications with Lucene anyway (compare to the cost of writing the whole application). On the othe

Re: back compat is good

2009-06-10 Thread Michael McCandless
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote: >> Well... Lucene still seems to be experiencing strong adoption/growth, >> eg combined user+dev email traffic: >> http://lucene.markmail.org/ > > I think that includes all Lucene sub-projects (Solr, Tika, Mahout, > Nutch, Droids, etc). > > http

Re: back compat is good

2009-06-10 Thread Simon Willnauer
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote: > I'm starting to feel like the lone holdout that thinks back compat for > commonly used interfaces and index formats is important.  So I'll sum > up some of my thoughts and leave it at that: > > - I doubt that the number of new users for each re

Re: back compat is good

2009-06-10 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Michael McCandless wrote: > Well... Lucene still seems to be experiencing strong adoption/growth, > eg combined user+dev email traffic: > http://lucene.markmail.org/ I think that includes all Lucene sub-projects (Solr, Tika, Mahout, Nutch, Droids, etc). http://lu

Re: back compat is good

2009-06-10 Thread Michael McCandless
Well... Lucene still seems to be experiencing strong adoption/growth, eg combined user+dev email traffic: http://lucene.markmail.org/ Net/net, I also think that back-compat is important and we shouldn't up and abandon it or relax our policy too much. However, I wish we had better tools for *im

Re: back compat is good

2009-06-10 Thread Mark Miller
Yonik Seeley wrote: I'm starting to feel like the lone holdout that thinks back compat for commonly used interfaces and index formats is important. I think the fact that your not the only one is why things got stymied. I wouldnt personally support anything that didnt try and maintain stabili