[JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question
OK, before anyone asks, let me throw this ball out of the way first. Yes, I am aware of the solo direct voices. I know also how to install 'em, but that isn't the point, in this case. I am trying to install my sapi 5 version of the Ral Speak voices. I not only wanna be able to use these with jfw, but I got some other programs like Speak-on, as well as K1000, Kitchen's Inc games, etc. which are self voicing that I wanna use them with. I can't do that with the solo direct voices as they use their own propriatary module/driver/dll libraries. Bottom line, it won't work. Anyway, so here is my question to you pc geeks out there like myself. I just got an hp laptop last Wednesday. It's running Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Edition. So my question is, when I ran the installer for the real speak voices, it said they'd not run on a 64 bit OS. So, having said that, this leads me to actually two questions. The first question which probably is the obvious is: is there a way to get around this, so that I can install the sapi version, and if not, can I get a 64 bit version from fs of the old sapi formatted installer. My second question is, maybe I'm completely all wet here, but I was under the impression that anything 32 bit architect would run on a 64 bit OS. Now, granted, I know for a fact! you can't run a 64 bit OS on a 32 bit only capable motherboard, nor, can you run x64 programs on a 32 bit OS. That's obvious. But I thought the annalogy worked like this: Say you have a 4 lane highway. OK, you may wind up only driving down 2! of those lanes, but, the point is, you can! do it. You're not taking over the whole highway, but, you're still able to drive down it. I hear 64 bit worked much the same way. You can! run 64 bit apps, or! 32 bit apps on 64 bit architect, but, on the other hand, don't try running 64 bit on a 32 bit only capable OS/hardware system. am I not understanding this whole 32/64 bit thing correctly? Actually, I don't even get the difference, really per sey. I know better graffics, as if that really matters to me, and faster speed, supposedly, but I've honestly not seen much speed difference between my old 32 bit xp machine and this 64 bit win7 machine. Hmm, Chris ponders. Anyway, let me know you all's suggestions and maybe someone also can fill me in on the differences in 64 vs. 32 bit, and what can run where. Thank you kindly. Chris. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question
Hi I agree with you, just wondering if you had had any luck with reading HP's software, to me it us just not accessible with jaws. Like you I have just purchased an HP laptop with same spec as yu mention. There are hot keys for function key which I am unable to find out, I know that funtion key f3 opens internet explorer but I am unable to read anything on the hp shortcuts page to find out what they are, have you had any luck in this respect? Another problem I have is a reminder window popping up, when I had a pair of eyes hear it was reminding me to create a set of recovery discs which I did but I dont have a pair of eyes now and the reminder window has started to pop up again, dont know if it is the same reminder and that I have to check the box to not show this message again or if there something that I should be doing. Latest jaws will not touch this reminder window, I cannot virtualise the window or use the jaws cursor anything. any ideas if this window can be read at all? I would not buy anything else other Hp because I have used them in the past and had no trouble at all, guess I have been lucky but their software is not accessible, but I have most of it disabled anyway. So basically my question is any ideas if it is possible to read these pop up windows which I am assuming ar HP based and are not accessible with jaws? and does anyone out there have a list of the function key shortcuts with HP? Appreciate any advice Graham -- From: Chris Gilland cgilla...@carolina.rr.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:49 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question OK, before anyone asks, let me throw this ball out of the way first. Yes, I am aware of the solo direct voices. I know also how to install 'em, but that isn't the point, in this case. I am trying to install my sapi 5 version of the Ral Speak voices. I not only wanna be able to use these with jfw, but I got some other programs like Speak-on, as well as K1000, Kitchen's Inc games, etc. which are self voicing that I wanna use them with. I can't do that with the solo direct voices as they use their own propriatary module/driver/dll libraries. Bottom line, it won't work. Anyway, so here is my question to you pc geeks out there like myself. I just got an hp laptop last Wednesday. It's running Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Edition. So my question is, when I ran the installer for the real speak voices, it said they'd not run on a 64 bit OS. So, having said that, this leads me to actually two questions. The first question which probably is the obvious is: is there a way to get around this, so that I can install the sapi version, and if not, can I get a 64 bit version from fs of the old sapi formatted installer. My second question is, maybe I'm completely all wet here, but I was under the impression that anything 32 bit architect would run on a 64 bit OS. Now, granted, I know for a fact! you can't run a 64 bit OS on a 32 bit only capable motherboard, nor, can you run x64 programs on a 32 bit OS. That's obvious. But I thought the annalogy worked like this: Say you have a 4 lane highway. OK, you may wind up only driving down 2! of those lanes, but, the point is, you can! do it. You're not taking over the whole highway, but, you're still able to drive down it. I hear 64 bit worked much the same way. You can! run 64 bit apps, or! 32 bit apps on 64 bit architect, but, on the other hand, don't try running 64 bit on a 32 bit only capable OS/hardware system. am I not understanding this whole 32/64 bit thing correctly? Actually, I don't even get the difference, really per sey. I know better graffics, as if that really matters to me, and faster speed, supposedly, but I've honestly not seen much speed difference between my old 32 bit xp machine and this 64 bit win7 machine. Hmm, Chris ponders. Anyway, let me know you all's suggestions and maybe someone also can fill me in on the differences in 64 vs. 32 bit, and what can run where. Thank you kindly. Chris. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question
Well, I can tell you a few things: if you have a num pad fn+num pad plus and minus are your volume up and down, fn+numpad star, which basically is the same key used for a right mouse button in jfw, is your mute toggle on and off fn+F7 and fn+F8 are your screen brightness Those're the only ones at this point that I know of. I'll have to try your fn+F3. I didn't know about that but if that works, that would be awesome! Chris. - Original Message - From: Graham Smith g.smith...@rogers.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question Hi I agree with you, just wondering if you had had any luck with reading HP's software, to me it us just not accessible with jaws. Like you I have just purchased an HP laptop with same spec as yu mention. There are hot keys for function key which I am unable to find out, I know that funtion key f3 opens internet explorer but I am unable to read anything on the hp shortcuts page to find out what they are, have you had any luck in this respect? Another problem I have is a reminder window popping up, when I had a pair of eyes hear it was reminding me to create a set of recovery discs which I did but I dont have a pair of eyes now and the reminder window has started to pop up again, dont know if it is the same reminder and that I have to check the box to not show this message again or if there something that I should be doing. Latest jaws will not touch this reminder window, I cannot virtualise the window or use the jaws cursor anything. any ideas if this window can be read at all? I would not buy anything else other Hp because I have used them in the past and had no trouble at all, guess I have been lucky but their software is not accessible, but I have most of it disabled anyway. So basically my question is any ideas if it is possible to read these pop up windows which I am assuming ar HP based and are not accessible with jaws? and does anyone out there have a list of the function key shortcuts with HP? Appreciate any advice Graham -- From: Chris Gilland cgilla...@carolina.rr.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:49 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question OK, before anyone asks, let me throw this ball out of the way first. Yes, I am aware of the solo direct voices. I know also how to install 'em, but that isn't the point, in this case. I am trying to install my sapi 5 version of the Ral Speak voices. I not only wanna be able to use these with jfw, but I got some other programs like Speak-on, as well as K1000, Kitchen's Inc games, etc. which are self voicing that I wanna use them with. I can't do that with the solo direct voices as they use their own propriatary module/driver/dll libraries. Bottom line, it won't work. Anyway, so here is my question to you pc geeks out there like myself. I just got an hp laptop last Wednesday. It's running Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Edition. So my question is, when I ran the installer for the real speak voices, it said they'd not run on a 64 bit OS. So, having said that, this leads me to actually two questions. The first question which probably is the obvious is: is there a way to get around this, so that I can install the sapi version, and if not, can I get a 64 bit version from fs of the old sapi formatted installer. My second question is, maybe I'm completely all wet here, but I was under the impression that anything 32 bit architect would run on a 64 bit OS. Now, granted, I know for a fact! you can't run a 64 bit OS on a 32 bit only capable motherboard, nor, can you run x64 programs on a 32 bit OS. That's obvious. But I thought the annalogy worked like this: Say you have a 4 lane highway. OK, you may wind up only driving down 2! of those lanes, but, the point is, you can! do it. You're not taking over the whole highway, but, you're still able to drive down it. I hear 64 bit worked much the same way. You can! run 64 bit apps, or! 32 bit apps on 64 bit architect, but, on the other hand, don't try running 64 bit on a 32 bit only capable OS/hardware system. am I not understanding this whole 32/64 bit thing correctly? Actually, I don't even get the difference, really per sey. I know better graffics, as if that really matters to me, and faster speed, supposedly, but I've honestly not seen much speed difference between my old 32 bit xp machine and this 64 bit win7 machine. Hmm, Chris ponders. Anyway, let me know you all's suggestions and maybe someone also can fill me in on the differences in 64 vs. 32 bit, and what can run where. Thank you kindly. Chris. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help
Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question
If you have a JAWS8 CD, you could try installing the unlocked SAPI5 and RealSpeak voices from it. there's also a problem with 32-bit braille drivers, probably related to what you have so far found. - Original Message - From: Chris Gilland cgilla...@carolina.rr.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:49 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question OK, before anyone asks, let me throw this ball out of the way first. Yes, I am aware of the solo direct voices. I know also how to install 'em, but that isn't the point, in this case. I am trying to install my sapi 5 version of the Ral Speak voices. I not only wanna be able to use these with jfw, but I got some other programs like Speak-on, as well as K1000, Kitchen's Inc games, etc. which are self voicing that I wanna use them with. I can't do that with the solo direct voices as they use their own propriatary module/driver/dll libraries. Bottom line, it won't work. Anyway, so here is my question to you pc geeks out there like myself. I just got an hp laptop last Wednesday. It's running Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Edition. So my question is, when I ran the installer for the real speak voices, it said they'd not run on a 64 bit OS. So, having said that, this leads me to actually two questions. The first question which probably is the obvious is: is there a way to get around this, so that I can install the sapi version, and if not, can I get a 64 bit version from fs of the old sapi formatted installer. My second question is, maybe I'm completely all wet here, but I was under the impression that anything 32 bit architect would run on a 64 bit OS. Now, granted, I know for a fact! you can't run a 64 bit OS on a 32 bit only capable motherboard, nor, can you run x64 programs on a 32 bit OS. That's obvious. But I thought the annalogy worked like this: Say you have a 4 lane highway. OK, you may wind up only driving down 2! of those lanes, but, the point is, you can! do it. You're not taking over the whole highway, but, you're still able to drive down it. I hear 64 bit worked much the same way. You can! run 64 bit apps, or! 32 bit apps on 64 bit architect, but, on the other hand, don't try running 64 bit on a 32 bit only capable OS/hardware system. am I not understanding this whole 32/64 bit thing correctly? Actually, I don't even get the difference, really per sey. I know better graffics, as if that really matters to me, and faster speed, supposedly, but I've honestly not seen much speed difference between my old 32 bit xp machine and this 64 bit win7 machine. Hmm, Chris ponders. Anyway, let me know you all's suggestions and maybe someone also can fill me in on the differences in 64 vs. 32 bit, and what can run where. Thank you kindly. Chris. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question
I have a jaws 8 disc somewhere around here, yes, but, does that have something aside the voices installer I gotta run? I'm kind a confused. I thought the real speak installer was basically all there was to it as faras getting the voices to work. Chris. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question If you have a JAWS8 CD, you could try installing the unlocked SAPI5 and RealSpeak voices from it. there's also a problem with 32-bit braille drivers, probably related to what you have so far found. - Original Message - From: Chris Gilland cgilla...@carolina.rr.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:49 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question OK, before anyone asks, let me throw this ball out of the way first. Yes, I am aware of the solo direct voices. I know also how to install 'em, but that isn't the point, in this case. I am trying to install my sapi 5 version of the Ral Speak voices. I not only wanna be able to use these with jfw, but I got some other programs like Speak-on, as well as K1000, Kitchen's Inc games, etc. which are self voicing that I wanna use them with. I can't do that with the solo direct voices as they use their own propriatary module/driver/dll libraries. Bottom line, it won't work. Anyway, so here is my question to you pc geeks out there like myself. I just got an hp laptop last Wednesday. It's running Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Edition. So my question is, when I ran the installer for the real speak voices, it said they'd not run on a 64 bit OS. So, having said that, this leads me to actually two questions. The first question which probably is the obvious is: is there a way to get around this, so that I can install the sapi version, and if not, can I get a 64 bit version from fs of the old sapi formatted installer. My second question is, maybe I'm completely all wet here, but I was under the impression that anything 32 bit architect would run on a 64 bit OS. Now, granted, I know for a fact! you can't run a 64 bit OS on a 32 bit only capable motherboard, nor, can you run x64 programs on a 32 bit OS. That's obvious. But I thought the annalogy worked like this: Say you have a 4 lane highway. OK, you may wind up only driving down 2! of those lanes, but, the point is, you can! do it. You're not taking over the whole highway, but, you're still able to drive down it. I hear 64 bit worked much the same way. You can! run 64 bit apps, or! 32 bit apps on 64 bit architect, but, on the other hand, don't try running 64 bit on a 32 bit only capable OS/hardware system. am I not understanding this whole 32/64 bit thing correctly? Actually, I don't even get the difference, really per sey. I know better graffics, as if that really matters to me, and faster speed, supposedly, but I've honestly not seen much speed difference between my old 32 bit xp machine and this 64 bit win7 machine. Hmm, Chris ponders. Anyway, let me know you all's suggestions and maybe someone also can fill me in on the differences in 64 vs. 32 bit, and what can run where. Thank you kindly. Chris. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question
Try function f10 for volume down and function f11 for volume up -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 12:29 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question Well, I can tell you a few things: if you have a num pad fn+num pad plus and minus are your volume up and down, fn+numpad star, which basically is the same key used for a right mouse button in jfw, is your mute toggle on and off fn+F7 and fn+F8 are your screen brightness Those're the only ones at this point that I know of. I'll have to try your fn+F3. I didn't know about that but if that works, that would be awesome! Chris. - Original Message - From: Graham Smith g.smith...@rogers.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question Hi I agree with you, just wondering if you had had any luck with reading HP's software, to me it us just not accessible with jaws. Like you I have just purchased an HP laptop with same spec as yu mention. There are hot keys for function key which I am unable to find out, I know that funtion key f3 opens internet explorer but I am unable to read anything on the hp shortcuts page to find out what they are, have you had any luck in this respect? Another problem I have is a reminder window popping up, when I had a pair of eyes hear it was reminding me to create a set of recovery discs which I did but I dont have a pair of eyes now and the reminder window has started to pop up again, dont know if it is the same reminder and that I have to check the box to not show this message again or if there something that I should be doing. Latest jaws will not touch this reminder window, I cannot virtualise the window or use the jaws cursor anything. any ideas if this window can be read at all? I would not buy anything else other Hp because I have used them in the past and had no trouble at all, guess I have been lucky but their software is not accessible, but I have most of it disabled anyway. So basically my question is any ideas if it is possible to read these pop up windows which I am assuming ar HP based and are not accessible with jaws? and does anyone out there have a list of the function key shortcuts with HP? Appreciate any advice Graham -- From: Chris Gilland cgilla...@carolina.rr.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:49 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question OK, before anyone asks, let me throw this ball out of the way first. Yes, I am aware of the solo direct voices. I know also how to install 'em, but that isn't the point, in this case. I am trying to install my sapi 5 version of the Ral Speak voices. I not only wanna be able to use these with jfw, but I got some other programs like Speak-on, as well as K1000, Kitchen's Inc games, etc. which are self voicing that I wanna use them with. I can't do that with the solo direct voices as they use their own propriatary module/driver/dll libraries. Bottom line, it won't work. Anyway, so here is my question to you pc geeks out there like myself. I just got an hp laptop last Wednesday. It's running Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Edition. So my question is, when I ran the installer for the real speak voices, it said they'd not run on a 64 bit OS. So, having said that, this leads me to actually two questions. The first question which probably is the obvious is: is there a way to get around this, so that I can install the sapi version, and if not, can I get a 64 bit version from fs of the old sapi formatted installer. My second question is, maybe I'm completely all wet here, but I was under the impression that anything 32 bit architect would run on a 64 bit OS. Now, granted, I know for a fact! you can't run a 64 bit OS on a 32 bit only capable motherboard, nor, can you run x64 programs on a 32 bit OS. That's obvious. But I thought the annalogy worked like this: Say you have a 4 lane highway. OK, you may wind up only driving down 2! of those lanes, but, the point is, you can! do it. You're not taking over the whole highway, but, you're still able to drive down it. I hear 64 bit worked much the same way. You can! run 64 bit apps, or! 32 bit apps on 64 bit architect, but, on the other hand, don't try running 64 bit on a 32 bit only capable OS/hardware system. am I not understanding this whole 32/64 bit thing correctly? Actually, I don't even get the difference, really per sey. I know better graffics, as if that really matters to me, and faster speed, supposedly, but I've honestly not seen much speed difference between my old 32 bit xp machine and this 64 bit win7 machine. Hmm, Chris
Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question
Moving to 64 bit does not necessarily increase the performance of the computer over 32 bit. Even on tasks where manipulating large chunks of data like video editing and transcoding will only be faster if the software is designed to take advantage of the 64 bit architecture and multiple cores / hyper threading. Frankly, multiple cores and hyper threading, which is used in the new I5 or I7 processors, currently provide a bigger performance boost. Keep in mind, that most applications and people work with characters, which do not require 64 bits of information. A 64 bit Operating System is absolutely necessary to use more than 4 GB of RAM memory. This is the prime reason to go to 64 bit Windows 7 right now. I am currently not using a 64 bit edition of Windows 7, so I can not yet speak from experience. Generally, you are right about being able to run most 32 bit applications on a 64 bit edition of Windows 7. I understand there are still some applications that have compatibility issues. Mostly these are older applications. I heard that for some bizarre reason, the Adobe Flash Player plug-inn for Internet Explorer is not available that runs in the 64 bit edition of Internet Explorer, so you must use the 32 bit edition of Internet Explorer to view pages with Flash! It seems that on a 64 bit edition of Windows 7, there are 2 different editions of Internet Explorer. I do not understand how the typical user is supposed to know which to use with which sites. Someone let me know if this is no longer the case. It would be shocking if Adobe could not deliver a 64 bit version ofFlash by now! One big exception to the highway analogy is any type of software or hardware drivers that are required to communicate with the hardware. Even though Microsoft and Intel heavily push for switching to 64 bit systems, not all hardware manufacturer's are as excited and have not provided the necessary drivers. I imagine the Real Speak voices or at least their interface to SAPI5 would need to have a 64 bit specific version. I guess looking back to the highway analogy it is more like driving an extra wide tractor trailer down a 4 lane busy road with commercial entrances to McDonalds... directly feeding onto the road. To get to higher speeds it would take major work and build service roads / ramps to bring it up to Interstate standards. Microsoft is attempting to improve their architecture, but without dropping support for legacy (older software), this is almost impossible. Don Marang -- From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 12:36 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question If you have a JAWS8 CD, you could try installing the unlocked SAPI5 and RealSpeak voices from it. there's also a problem with 32-bit braille drivers, probably related to what you have so far found. - Original Message - From: Chris Gilland cgilla...@carolina.rr.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:49 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Real Speak voices question OK, before anyone asks, let me throw this ball out of the way first. Yes, I am aware of the solo direct voices. I know also how to install 'em, but that isn't the point, in this case. I am trying to install my sapi 5 version of the Ral Speak voices. I not only wanna be able to use these with jfw, but I got some other programs like Speak-on, as well as K1000, Kitchen's Inc games, etc. which are self voicing that I wanna use them with. I can't do that with the solo direct voices as they use their own propriatary module/driver/dll libraries. Bottom line, it won't work. Anyway, so here is my question to you pc geeks out there like myself. I just got an hp laptop last Wednesday. It's running Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Edition. So my question is, when I ran the installer for the real speak voices, it said they'd not run on a 64 bit OS. So, having said that, this leads me to actually two questions. The first question which probably is the obvious is: is there a way to get around this, so that I can install the sapi version, and if not, can I get a 64 bit version from fs of the old sapi formatted installer. My second question is, maybe I'm completely all wet here, but I was under the impression that anything 32 bit architect would run on a 64 bit OS. Now, granted, I know for a fact! you can't run a 64 bit OS on a 32 bit only capable motherboard, nor, can you run x64 programs on a 32 bit OS. That's obvious. But I thought the annalogy worked like this: Say you have a 4 lane highway. OK, you may wind up only driving down 2! of those lanes, but, the point is, you can! do it. You're not taking over the whole highway, but, you're still able to drive down it. I hear 64 bit worked much the same way. You can! run 64 bit apps, or! 32 bit apps on 64 bit architect
