Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input
For kids, I think it's important for them to know the keyboard fully. I would teach them numbers on the horizontal number row first. That comes from old typing lessons I know, but it would be good for them to know it I think. Eventually, they can learn both and choose for themselves which they like best. But at least they can learn jaws with the number pad before deciding which is the best number way for them. Sherry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sue garrett Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Many thanks for this! nope - no survey ...doing some work with young kids (pre-screen reader age) who need to input numbers - the program has its own audio speech so no need for screen readers yet - but the question was because some are of the opinion that you should not teach kids to use the numberpad for number input because it will confuse them when they start using JAWS ...? On your second point about the Numlock default being off, a colleague used just this argument about not using the Numpad for numbers... Any other thoughts ? Many thanks again Rustie On 27/06/07, KURTIS POTTER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking a survey? The answer is yes. At work, my Num Lock is on 98% of the time. I am much more efficient at entering numerical data using the Num Pad than the top row of numbers. In fact, I found it quite annoying when JAWS began turning the Num lock off. I recommended to FS that this should having JAWS turn off the num lock should be a user configurable setting. I am hoping they take it into consideration in the next version of JAWS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2007 6:10 AM Hi all - can you tell me if there is ever a case for using the numberpad for number input rather than the top row of numbers? would JAWS users ever put the numlock on and use the numberpad? Thanks for the help Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input
Hi all - can you tell me if there is ever a case for using the numberpad for number input rather than the top row of numbers? would JAWS users ever put the numlock on and use the numberpad? Thanks for the help Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input
Taking a survey? The answer is yes. At work, my Num Lock is on 98% of the time. I am much more efficient at entering numerical data using the Num Pad than the top row of numbers. In fact, I found it quite annoying when JAWS began turning the Num lock off. I recommended to FS that this should having JAWS turn off the num lock should be a user configurable setting. I am hoping they take it into consideration in the next version of JAWS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2007 6:10 AM Hi all - can you tell me if there is ever a case for using the numberpad for number input rather than the top row of numbers? would JAWS users ever put the numlock on and use the numberpad? Thanks for the help Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input
On the rare occasion I use a calculator, I use the num pad rather than the top row of numbers because I can enter the numbers more quickly using it. The only talking calculator I ever owned had the same key configuration as the num pad. I still prefer using my noggin, but every now and then I get a case of the galloping lazies and break down and use the calculator. Deborah - Original Message - From: sue garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:10 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Hi all - can you tell me if there is ever a case for using the numberpad for number input rather than the top row of numbers? would JAWS users ever put the numlock on and use the numberpad? Thanks for the help Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input
Hello to the List, I am Eric Damery, the Product Manager for JAWS and have been reading some of the posts recently. While I don't have the time to answer or comment on everything, I will try to on some of these topics such as this NumPad subject. The ability to toggle numlock on and off letting you use the Number Pad as both a Number pad and Screen Reading Keys has always been a plus in JAWS I think. As many of you mentioned, inputting numbers from the NumPad is much easier for many than the number row, yours truly included. I especially appreciate the message that requested an option in JAWS to stop turning it off by default every time you launch the computer. While this is not in the UI of JAWS today, there is a setting in the default.jcf file under options called Initial NumLock State which could be changed (set it to number 2) which will tell JAWS to stop changing it at start up. If you are interested in getting that set up now, let us know and I will right down some steps that will help you get this into your user folder correctly. We are still working on the Start Up Wizard feature being expanded in JAWS 9. I will talk with some others here and see about adding this adjustment to the UI in that wizard. I think this will make it fairly easy for anyone to change in the future when they decide on laptop versus desktop and so on. Hope this is helpful. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sue garrett Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Many thanks for this! nope - no survey ...doing some work with young kids (pre-screen reader age) who need to input numbers - the program has its own audio speech so no need for screen readers yet - but the question was because some are of the opinion that you should not teach kids to use the numberpad for number input because it will confuse them when they start using JAWS ...? On your second point about the Numlock default being off, a colleague used just this argument about not using the Numpad for numbers... Any other thoughts ? Many thanks again Rustie On 27/06/07, KURTIS POTTER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking a survey? The answer is yes. At work, my Num Lock is on 98% of the time. I am much more efficient at entering numerical data using the Num Pad than the top row of numbers. In fact, I found it quite annoying when JAWS began turning the Num lock off. I recommended to FS that this should having JAWS turn off the num lock should be a user configurable setting. I am hoping they take it into consideration in the next version of JAWS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2007 6:10 AM Hi all - can you tell me if there is ever a case for using the numberpad for number input rather than the top row of numbers? would JAWS users ever put the numlock on and use the numberpad? Thanks for the help Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail
Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input
Hi Yes I use it quite a bit, an example is when I have to enter all my bankk details to go on line etc. I find it easier than feeling around the number row. The only problem being that you must remember that the num lock is switched on or you run into problems when ou wish to use the mumpad for other jaws commands, numbers go in where they should not. Graham to - Original Message - From: sue garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:10 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Hi all - can you tell me if there is ever a case for using the numberpad for number input rather than the top row of numbers? would JAWS users ever put the numlock on and use the numberpad? Thanks for the help Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2358 (20070627) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input
Sue I use the numeric keypad frequently to key longer strings of numbers such as telephone numbers, SS numbers, or credit card numbers. I have to tell you that I was an accountant for about 30 years so I am very used to the numeric keypad layout. Take care, Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sue garrett Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:11 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Hi all - can you tell me if there is ever a case for using the numberpad for number input rather than the top row of numbers? would JAWS users ever put the numlock on and use the numberpad? Thanks for the help Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input
Thank you for giving me more information for my tips and tricks page. Please tell me this though, is this version specific, if so which versions? David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Eric Damery [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Hi Kurt, If you go into the Start Menu, Programs, JAWS 8, Explore JAWS, Explore My Settings you will probably find that you have a file here called Default.jcf. If so, move to the file and press the Application Key to get a context menu. Now, choose Open with submenu and open it with Notepad. Now, look for the [Options] section in the file. If you find it, move under that line, insert a blank line and paste in the following line: numlock=2|Num lock Then, save the file and close it. From then on, when you boot up the num lock will remain how it was when you shut down. If you did not find [Options] in the file, you can move to the bottom of the file and add the following to lines: [Options] numlock=2|Num lock Hope you understand. If not, just wait till the 9.0 release and let me see what we can do to get this as an option in the UI for you. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KURTIS POTTER Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:51 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Eric, It is great to know that you are spending a little time monitoring this very useful list. When I first switched from JAWS 6.x to 8.0 the num lock being toggled off was very annoying to me. Although I have gotten use to it, I would be interested in knowing how to change this setting so I can control the num lock. I did make the suggestion to JAWS technical support to make this a user control option when trying to figure out what was going on with my num lock. The representative couldn't understand why a blind person would want to use the num pad for anything other than JAWS navigation. I hope that the num pad on / off option does make it into a future version of the JAWS UI. I for one like having control of my settings. Of course then when I screw something up, I have no one to blame but myself. Thanks, Kurt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2007 10:28 AM Hello to the List, I am Eric Damery, the Product Manager for JAWS and have been reading some of the posts recently. While I don't have the time to answer or comment on everything, I will try to on some of these topics such as this NumPad subject. The ability to toggle numlock on and off letting you use the Number Pad as both a Number pad and Screen Reading Keys has always been a plus in JAWS I think. As many of you mentioned, inputting numbers from the NumPad is much easier for many than the number row, yours truly included. I especially appreciate the message that requested an option in JAWS to stop turning it off by default every time you launch the computer. While this is not in the UI of JAWS today, there is a setting in the default.jcf file under options called Initial NumLock State which could be changed (set it to number 2) which will tell JAWS to stop changing it at start up. If you are interested in getting that set up now, let us know and I will right down some steps that will help you get this into your user folder correctly. We are still working on the Start Up Wizard feature being expanded in JAWS 9. I will talk with some others here and see about adding this adjustment to the UI in that wizard. I think this will make it fairly easy for anyone to change in the future when they decide on laptop versus desktop and so on. Hope this is helpful. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sue garrett Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Many thanks for this! nope - no survey ...doing some work with young kids (pre-screen reader age) who need to input numbers - the program has its own audio speech so no need for screen readers yet - but the question was because some are of the opinion that you should not teach kids to use the numberpad for number input because it will confuse them when they start using JAWS ...? On your second point about the Numlock default being off, a colleague used just this argument about not using the Numpad for numbers... Any other thoughts ? Many thanks again Rustie On 27/06/07, KURTIS POTTER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking a survey? The answer is yes. At work, my Num Lock is on 98% of the time. I am much more efficient at entering numerical data using the Num Pad than the top row of numbers. In fact, I found it quite annoying when JAWS began turning the Num lock off. I recommended to FS that this should having JAWS turn off the num lock should be a user configurable setting. I
Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input
Thanks so much for the information. I gave it a try and unfortunately it did not work...maybe because I am logging into a LAN? Hopefully someone else will have better luck. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2007 11:59 AM Hi Kurt, If you go into the Start Menu, Programs, JAWS 8, Explore JAWS, Explore My Settings you will probably find that you have a file here called Default.jcf. If so, move to the file and press the Application Key to get a context menu. Now, choose Open with submenu and open it with Notepad. Now, look for the [Options] section in the file. If you find it, move under that line, insert a blank line and paste in the following line: numlock=2|Num lock Then, save the file and close it. From then on, when you boot up the num lock will remain how it was when you shut down. If you did not find [Options] in the file, you can move to the bottom of the file and add the following to lines: [Options] numlock=2|Num lock Hope you understand. If not, just wait till the 9.0 release and let me see what we can do to get this as an option in the UI for you. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KURTIS POTTER Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:51 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Eric, It is great to know that you are spending a little time monitoring this very useful list. When I first switched from JAWS 6.x to 8.0 the num lock being toggled off was very annoying to me. Although I have gotten use to it, I would be interested in knowing how to change this setting so I can control the num lock. I did make the suggestion to JAWS technical support to make this a user control option when trying to figure out what was going on with my num lock. The representative couldn't understand why a blind person would want to use the num pad for anything other than JAWS navigation. I hope that the num pad on / off option does make it into a future version of the JAWS UI. I for one like having control of my settings. Of course then when I screw something up, I have no one to blame but myself. Thanks, Kurt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2007 10:28 AM Hello to the List, I am Eric Damery, the Product Manager for JAWS and have been reading some of the posts recently. While I don't have the time to answer or comment on everything, I will try to on some of these topics such as this NumPad subject. The ability to toggle numlock on and off letting you use the Number Pad as both a Number pad and Screen Reading Keys has always been a plus in JAWS I think. As many of you mentioned, inputting numbers from the NumPad is much easier for many than the number row, yours truly included. I especially appreciate the message that requested an option in JAWS to stop turning it off by default every time you launch the computer. While this is not in the UI of JAWS today, there is a setting in the default.jcf file under options called Initial NumLock State which could be changed (set it to number 2) which will tell JAWS to stop changing it at start up. If you are interested in getting that set up now, let us know and I will right down some steps that will help you get this into your user folder correctly. We are still working on the Start Up Wizard feature being expanded in JAWS 9. I will talk with some others here and see about adding this adjustment to the UI in that wizard. I think this will make it fairly easy for anyone to change in the future when they decide on laptop versus desktop and so on. Hope this is helpful. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sue garrett Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Many thanks for this! nope - no survey ...doing some work with young kids (pre-screen reader age) who need to input numbers - the program has its own audio speech so no need for screen readers yet - but the question was because some are of the opinion that you should not teach kids to use the numberpad for number input because it will confuse them when they start using JAWS ...? On your second point about the Numlock default being off, a colleague used just this argument about not using the Numpad for numbers... Any other thoughts ? Many thanks again Rustie On 27/06/07, KURTIS POTTER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking a survey? The answer is yes. At work, my Num Lock is on 98% of the time. I am much more efficient at entering numerical data using the Num Pad than the top row of numbers. In fact, I found it quite annoying when JAWS began turning the Num lock off. I recommended to FS that this should having JAWS turn off the num lock should be a user configurable setting. I am hoping they take it into consideration in the next version of JAWS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2007 6:10 AM Hi all - can you tell me if there is ever
Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input
I also just finished posting these instructions up on the tips and tricks page for future reference. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: KURTIS POTTER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Thanks so much for the information. I gave it a try and unfortunately it did not work...maybe because I am logging into a LAN? Hopefully someone else will have better luck. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2007 11:59 AM Hi Kurt, If you go into the Start Menu, Programs, JAWS 8, Explore JAWS, Explore My Settings you will probably find that you have a file here called Default.jcf. If so, move to the file and press the Application Key to get a context menu. Now, choose Open with submenu and open it with Notepad. Now, look for the [Options] section in the file. If you find it, move under that line, insert a blank line and paste in the following line: numlock=2|Num lock Then, save the file and close it. From then on, when you boot up the num lock will remain how it was when you shut down. If you did not find [Options] in the file, you can move to the bottom of the file and add the following to lines: [Options] numlock=2|Num lock Hope you understand. If not, just wait till the 9.0 release and let me see what we can do to get this as an option in the UI for you. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KURTIS POTTER Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:51 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Eric, It is great to know that you are spending a little time monitoring this very useful list. When I first switched from JAWS 6.x to 8.0 the num lock being toggled off was very annoying to me. Although I have gotten use to it, I would be interested in knowing how to change this setting so I can control the num lock. I did make the suggestion to JAWS technical support to make this a user control option when trying to figure out what was going on with my num lock. The representative couldn't understand why a blind person would want to use the num pad for anything other than JAWS navigation. I hope that the num pad on / off option does make it into a future version of the JAWS UI. I for one like having control of my settings. Of course then when I screw something up, I have no one to blame but myself. Thanks, Kurt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2007 10:28 AM Hello to the List, I am Eric Damery, the Product Manager for JAWS and have been reading some of the posts recently. While I don't have the time to answer or comment on everything, I will try to on some of these topics such as this NumPad subject. The ability to toggle numlock on and off letting you use the Number Pad as both a Number pad and Screen Reading Keys has always been a plus in JAWS I think. As many of you mentioned, inputting numbers from the NumPad is much easier for many than the number row, yours truly included. I especially appreciate the message that requested an option in JAWS to stop turning it off by default every time you launch the computer. While this is not in the UI of JAWS today, there is a setting in the default.jcf file under options called Initial NumLock State which could be changed (set it to number 2) which will tell JAWS to stop changing it at start up. If you are interested in getting that set up now, let us know and I will right down some steps that will help you get this into your user folder correctly. We are still working on the Start Up Wizard feature being expanded in JAWS 9. I will talk with some others here and see about adding this adjustment to the UI in that wizard. I think this will make it fairly easy for anyone to change in the future when they decide on laptop versus desktop and so on. Hope this is helpful. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sue garrett Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Many thanks for this! nope - no survey ...doing some work with young kids (pre-screen reader age) who need to input numbers - the program has its own audio speech so no need for screen readers yet - but the question was because some are of the opinion that you should not teach kids to use the numberpad for number input because it will confuse them when they start using JAWS ...? On your second point about the Numlock default being off, a colleague used just this argument about not using the Numpad for numbers... Any other thoughts ? Many thanks again Rustie On 27/06/07, KURTIS POTTER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking a survey? The answer is yes. At work, my Num Lock is on 98% of the time. I am much more efficient at entering numerical data using the Num Pad than the top row of numbers. In fact, I found
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That's all right I imagine. I too learned on a smith Corona myself almost 40 years ago. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lennie Rinaldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Hi, I know that this subject is getting old, but forgive me, David. I need to put my two cents in. Like Russ, I too was an accountant before going into computer programming. I used to use a calculator and my fingers would fly over the number pad. What I am trying to say is that it makes perfect sense to use the NumPad keys for entering numbers in Excel or any other applications. The top row was, I think, designed for typewriters which most standard keyboards today are. I, in my old days I used to use a keypunch machine to punch 80 cards for my programs and the layout was similar to today's standard keyboards. (Good grief! I am giving out my age smile!) The IBM DOS screen reader had its own keypad for commands and you did not have to worry about whether NumLock was on or off. Sorry David to get off topics, but I thought that everyone should know how important the NumPad keys are for entering numbers and Jaws commands. I wish there was a way for Jaws to automatically tell me whether NumLock is off or on without hitting the NumLock key each time when I go to use it. Thanks for letting me put in my two cents! ;Lennie At 10:20 AM 6/27/2007, you wrote: Sue I use the numeric keypad frequently to key longer strings of numbers such as telephone numbers, SS numbers, or credit card numbers. I have to tell you that I was an accountant for about 30 years so I am very used to the numeric keypad layout. Take care, Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sue garrett Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:11 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Hi all - can you tell me if there is ever a case for using the numberpad for number input rather than the top row of numbers? would JAWS users ever put the numlock on and use the numberpad? Thanks for the help Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Most laptops have an embedded number pad in the QWERTY keyboard. On my previous laptop, a Toshiba, and on my current laptop, a Dell, I just have to toggle the numlock and tap the keyboard function key twice and I can enter numbers from the right hand side of my QWERTY keyboard. HTH, Annette -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Seigenthaler, Carrie Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:00 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input I prefer the num pad for many, many reasons over the top row. Much quicker than the top row of keys for me personally. When using my laptop I get very frustrated having to use the top row for numbers. Have been using JAWS for about 10 years. Carrie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sue garrett Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:11 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using numberpad for number input Hi all - can you tell me if there is ever a case for using the numberpad for number input rather than the top row of numbers? would JAWS users ever put the numlock on and use the numberpad? Thanks for the help Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
