Here's my negative opinions (Andrew, apologies in advance, but it's a genuine
set of opinions):
- This project has no planned architecture (let alone design). It desperately
needs one.
- This project does not have genuine selling point other than that it is the
same old mail services only this
Oh, and another thing (just to put the last nail my coffin of negativity), has
anyone actually spoken with the James team or thought about a collaboration?
/k1
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Awesome to see that this didn't die on the table.
Currently there are great opportunites for JBoss. Our currentl mailserver just
jacked up their support costs to 4,000 per year. I would much rather have that
running on JBoss and have the support pay for my webapps as well.
Keep it coming...
Good to hear. Once a stable release is out, I'll try it on my server and give
some feedback at least. I plan to try it with HSQL and Cloudbase (now Derby),
hardly a production ready rig, but it should do for what I need.
If you get out a stable release and have a nice list of things that need
I've scaled back the M2 release. I want to get out a stable release before we
add any more features to the mix. M3 is still being figured out so don't take
the roadmap (on the wiki) too seriously until we figure out what the new
resource allocation is (or how many volunteers will step forward
With Kabir's help I proved that the bug is actually somehow in Entourage. It
doesn't happen on his side, and doesn't happen with Thunderbird. So we should
be go for M2 shortly.
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I'm not sure how many people realize the need for a good enterprise class mail
system.
Either for corperate mail, or ISP type hosting if the solution is right, people
will pay for support.
This is one of those types of projects that isn't going to get moving in the
community until people
Its in stasis until someone steps up to lead the project.
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I would like to point out a few things. We are a medium sized company that uses
exchange and JBoss. All our really important (business critical) work is done
on JBoss, and we're very good at managing these appservers. If someone walked
in today with a solution (open source or not) to run our
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Try doing some work on it then. A mail service support
IMAP is not a priority task.
Scott, first off Andrew asked for the whining requests from pain in the ass users.
Your seemingly snippy reply to a legitimate request from a real or potential customer
seems
Just one more quick note on IMAP support. Implementing IMAP is probably the most
logical way of getting a usable WebMail interface up and running quickly. Most WebMail
interfaces I've played with (most natably SquirrelMail and Horde, but I'm sure there
are similar Java/JSP based alternatives)
And your discussion with Marc should have touched on the JBoss Labs effort which is a
proving ground for open source projects. The Mail effort needs to be moved into the
JBoss Labs stage 1 effort where it will need to prove that a developer community can
be built up to the point where JBoss
Scott, yes our conversation did include the proposed incubator model, which I think
is a probably (and reservedly) a good idea. I also agree that Mail Services should
perhaps be moved there. But I guess there is a bit of a strategic question here. Does
JBoss identify a strategic set of software
jBPM is an example of a project we are immeadiately promoting to a supported status
because its a strategic build out of the middleware stack.
A mail server is a prove it to me type of project given there are a plethora of
solutions from open source to commerical.
Both types of projects will
I would like to create a second mail service because I have different applications
running that need different mail servers.
So I made a copy of mail-service.xml, updated mbean ...
name=jboss:service=SecondMail and the JNDI name and, of course, the properties.
When I copy this to the deploy
Another raving customer/user
We have been using JBoss for some 3 years, this helped to gradually adopt a lot of
OpenSource products [and buy some support as well :)]
Please move on with JBoss mail. Our company is on the search for a replacement for
Notes mail. We tried Apache James, JBoss Mail
Hi,
as much I have understand JBossMail is intended to become something like MS Exchange.
What about a storage layer for mails, e.g. a database?! Are there any plans to support
this?! If yes, how is it possible to contribute some ideas and maybe also source code
in that field of the project?!
Try doing some work on it then. A mail service support IMAP is not a priority task.
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iwadasn wrote :
| This is basically asking for a short architectural overview. Some of this I dug up
on the forums, but I would like a fairly detailed overview. Here's a little bit of a
starting point..
|
Have you checked out our wiki? That's where all the info is kept (and in the
I was under the impression that SSL only worked with NIO as of java 1.5. You'll
probably have to make it 1.5 only if you want to use NIO for SSL.
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Here's my official whine
Please finish Milestone 2 promptly.
At work I'm trying to use jboss mail services with itracker to make an email-enabled
issue tracker, it would help greatly if your mail services worked well. If they did,
then we could bundle jboss mail services along with
This is basically asking for a short architectural overview. Some of this I dug up on
the forums, but I would like a fairly detailed overview. Here's a little bit of a
starting point..
I take it that the mail services uses ejb-cmp in order to store all the actual data.
IMAP support is
The plan is here:
http://www.jboss.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=MailServicesPlan
(The times are wildly off for the reasons mentioned above.)
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How about IMAP support. Very hard to find an OSS IMAP mail server.
Joachim
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Well currently my company (ISP) is using a CommuniGate Pro as it's email server.
About 3500 accts. It works fine, but I'm intrigued as to how this system could scale
cheaply..clustering and all.
I have installed the M1 release, and I'm close to making the next release my personal
server.
Hi,
I can't find a tutorial that explains how to fetch emails from a different
server with JBOSS. Ich have an IMAP-Account and just want to get
mails from it with JBOSS.
Thx,
Hannes
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This is not the proper forum for this type of request. This is to discuss the
JBossMail server.
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Right now resources are tight because we don't get the kind of customer feedback we
need. Shout for it. Demand it. Say We want it now! (this is a good start!)
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OK-
See I was being a coward and taking a wait and see stance. Since I can't help with the
coding I figured I we wouldn't try and rush you guys.
Everyone who is monitoring this project, and are eagerly awaiting a M2,M3, etc
release.
Lets generate some feedback, and get this thing moving
More than anything we need I'm a JBoss customer or potential customer with use case
XYZ we need JBossMail for TUV. The scare us with threats to use big pieces of crap
like Domino (okay I'm in hyperbole) haha. Basically for the project to become a
priority, like with any company, we have to
Which page did you follow? This one?
http://www.jboss.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=MailServicesInstallingM2
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jboss/server/default/deploy/mail.ear/mail.sar/META-INF/jboss-service.xml and
jboss/server/default/deploy/mail.ear/entitymailbox.jar/META-INF/jboss.xml
The first configures services, the second configures ejbs. If you're configuring
ports, the server name (particularly important), etc then you
I followed the Wiki guide for setting up the email services but I'm still getting alot
of complaints from jboss.
Basically all I understand is.
1. Compile the source with ant
2. Take the ear and drop it in the folder of the server/xxx/deploy/
Note: our project is not using the default server
I just dropped it in the default deploy folder and everything worked fine. Looks like
something we've reconfigured on our end.
Can't imagine what that could be. What about the default configuration files does the
mail services need to work? What does it rely on?
Rob
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Just looking for an update. I know you guys are swamped, but what is the current rough
guess for M2?
1 Month?
3 Months?
6 Months?
Thanks!
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This is the wrong place for this question. This is not for the JNDI bound mail
client. This is for the new JBoss mail server itself.
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For my first pass I'm going to do this as thread-per-client because cmdData and other
pieces which take over the stream will have to be pretty drastically altered (mostly
CmdAUTH and CmdDATA). I'm betting POP will be more so (but I haven't looked there in
awhile and I didn't write that code).
The bounces really ought to be more descriptive (when we bounce or say can't
deliver) and say why...
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I'm making the changes for NIO in parrallel so as not to hold anyone up. There will
be two versions of some things for now NIO and IO -- To get the NIO edition use
the NIOServer as opposed to the Server mbean. They share interfaces however. Mostly
anything effected will check if socket is
I just committed mysql examples to CVS. if you look in the jbosscmp-jdbc.xml for the
entity mail box stuff you'll find my setup. I still have problems even with 4.x (used
rpms for redhat) and corrupting blobs and saying that it has the wrong transaction ID.
I've no idea how to fix that
I'm dickering with NIO in hopes of getting timeout to work. Furthermore I think I
can do better with heap protection. Overall I think we'll be better off with
non-blocking IO... It just looks like a pain so far. ;-)
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is there any doc for jboss mail at all? I found the one on jboss mail page has broken
link to the doc. Any sample code for jboss mail?
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You need to look harder:
http://www.jboss.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=MailServices
also notice the big fat link (wiki: JBossMail pages) on this page:
http://jboss.org/products/mailservices
which is linked off of projects on the main page.
there is even this page:
eventually we should have more of a high level API for mail-based applciations.
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You need to set up your users in the following MBean in the SAR's jboss-service.xml:
| mbean code=org.jboss.mail.userrepository.StaticUserRepository
name=jboss.mail:type=MailServices,name=UserRepository,uimanageable=true
| attribute name=Users
| users
| user
| idmyuser/id
|
Hi,
If I recall correctly, the mail list stuff is not part of the M1 release, so you will
need to use the latest from CVS. It comes in two flavours Memory (Configured via
jboss-service.xml in the sar) and Entity (Stored in underlying Db).
Not sure if the memory version is 100% thread safe -
just wondering if any of you have experience of using JBossMailServices to process
sending out mass email(mailing list)? We also would like to add features for scheduled
email delivery and should have low system resource consuming.
Not sure if anyone can give any suggestions? any sample code
First, I can't send mail to other email address outside local domain. So, I remove the
line handleAuth() in CmdRCPT class. But my email service now become
open-relay!!!
How can I anti-relay my service
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Nukes is packaged quite nicely. Maybe we could use the same structure?
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I'm going to respec M2 as some pretty important stabillity stuff has been added.
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I made some fixes to the build. Its still not perfect. Really I just want to
simplify the hell out of it. The only real downer is the topic/queue deployment is
kinda f**ked sometimes... Looks like more of a JBossMQ thing. Test it out and tell
me what you think.
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Hiya,
The main stuff happens here and on the wiki.
http://www.jboss.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=MailServicesForJBoss
Check out the plan page and the M2 progress pages.
Not a whole lot has been done the last month; Andy has been really busy and I have
been looking a bit at other stuff, but am
Hi,
I just installed mail services M1 release on JBoss [Wonderland].
Basic things like pop and smtp are working fine!!
Just want to know if there is a buglist/feature list (along with assinged to info.. )
somewhere.. jira or bugzilla somewhere??
I have some experience in JMS and EJBs.
Look at what the Spec says. It says something about the locking. Presently we can't
*send* from two different threads with the same user...
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Can you start working on a webmail client? I think that is higher priority than the
admin stuff UI-wise until the underlying plumbing for persistent changes to
descriptors and a semi-transactional deployment scanner/main deployer is done. That
would require some pretty intense JBoss knowledge
Can you ask that question in more detail? -Thanks
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I believe that JCA1.5 will be backported to 3.x eventually. Most things will end up
this way. Probably not all.
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Hello,
I am not sur to be on the good forum, maybe someone can help me.
I try to run Liferay ( Open source portal in java) and I have got this problem:
11:48:39,290 ERROR [DLQHandler] Initialization failed
javax.jms.JMSException: Error creating the dlq connection: XAConnectionFactory not
bound
I'd posted a reply to this before, but that message (as well as my ability to login)
has disappeared. I'll try to recreate it.
anonymous wrote : Do you have an interest in helping out with some of this? Especially
the GUI stuff. Take a look at my thoughts so far:
anonymous wrote : This might make a lot of sense. Anyone interested in taking this and
seeing what it woudl take? I'd like to wait on the JCA 1.5 stuff unless we can do it
in such a way that we can build it seperately as Mail Services is presently intended
to be 1.0 probably prior to the JBoss
I have this exact same problem. I have searched high and low, and have not yet found a
solution. However, here are the things I have tried. Maybe one will work for you.
Check hsqldb-ds.xml:
Apparently JBoss needs to use a database to store EJB persistence data, and out of
the box it uses
After posting my reply, I noticed that this is probably not the appropriate place to
post this problem. I will move my reply to a more appropriate topic.
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anonymous wrote : Do you have an interest in helping out with some of this? Especially
the GUI stuff. Take a look at my thoughts so far:
http://linuxintegrators.com/blog/acoliver/code/?permalink=0131.html (though I'm trying
to solve problems specific to JBoss and don't really discuss the
From what I gather the intent is that each mail listener looks at the envelope/mail
passed to it and decides whether it wants to send it (or something else meaning it
should stop processing, e.g. a mail list subscribtion request), and some
maillisteners don't actually send but modify the
Sounds like you get it. I will do it later today.
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The hanging socket/telnet stuff above was due to that the server thread with the
error does in fact gets terminated somewhere in PooledExecutor stuff, but the socket
wasn't getting closed. I've made it close.
A new EntityFolder is created on every request and gets locked, but the lock is never
Mail Services is now JBossMail.
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Okay, let me read what Mike said and I'll get back to you. I've been looking into the
JCA code itself a bunch, so I haven't spent much time on mail.
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Which operations do you think you'd want on the connection interface? This is
definitely interesting, and a more interesting line of thinking than just
pooling/securing a Session.
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I've not been able to reproduce the issue with the mails delivered wrong users. BTW I
did not receive anything not meant for me today (can't really find out for my
jboss_user subscription). Has anything changed on the server? I think there was talk
about upgrading to 3.2.4RC2? I'm running RC1
That is funky. Note that I have not upgraded yet. I just increased the amount of
memory (now tomcat is crashing) -- Relax, I plan on upgrading my server *real soon
now*. The andy resource is ATM locked in a transaction regarding getting the jboss
newsletter running.
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So I've got the entity mail list stuff mostly working. There is a minor problem ATM
in that it still tries to deliver the mail via the regular mail listener. I needed
this to work because I need to get it running for Marc.
This is actually just a symptom of an evolutionary model. The
i guess we can switch back to forum discussions from private email now, since the
forums seem to have recovered from their recent hiccup.
saw some interesting things in andy's machine's log at 07:00am this morning when
acoliver's mailbox was accessed (presumably by pop3)...
We should do both I think. LIST does one thing, GET another. Also pay attention the
the load semantics. Right now we're eager loading. We might even consider dropping
the eager loading becuase we are on option A but I figured there was a high chance we
wouldn't be in cache. Over the summer
andy, by last part, do you mean just my item #5? i do admit #5 would be cutting
corners a bit.
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No I meant your improper choice of editor.
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Hmmm,
got som dodgy mails again. I'm starting to think I get your stuff when I have NOT been
online and check my mail after a break. I'll try to reproduce the problem here. Has
anybody been able to reproduce it locally?
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i believe my microsoft outlook client's been logging in like clockwork every 10-15
minutes or so when its been running, checking for new mail.
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Okay so you want to use the mailing-out features of Mail Services instead. Which class
do you want me to wrap/use? One of the SMTP ones?
Sometimes I think the actual coding in software development is the easy part.
Communication is the hard part. :)
Not me: Do you understand?
Me: Of course I
I'll take a look a bit later today. Mike, do you have a use case that will cause this
to happen?
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Okay, now I'm planning on using org.jboss.mail.smtp.sender classes. I'll probably have
the JCA implement SMTPSenderBean.
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here's the way i understand the mail situation going forward in jboss, with respect
to jca and jbmail (jbmail = this forum's Mail Services) and this forum thread; please
post corrections to this where i err:
1. there's currently an mbean called 'jboss:service=Mail' which uses mbean code
thanks kab --- i was logged in as [EMAIL PROTECTED], user mikea, password in
jboss-service.xml, on my own local machine's jboss server. i sent an email to [EMAIL
PROTECTED] from jbmail logs, looks like yahoo didn't like '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and
rejected that. a few seconds later, got a
Mike sounds right with the exception of the last part. vi is the proper tool. I do
not loose my posts composing on Mozilla Firefox (aka firebird)
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I'm wondering if its hypersonic or the actual MBean server. I'm going to stick in
some debugging code to see if we ever get a result that doesn't make sense. (like
mail != user when criteria = user)
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I use Textpad myself :-)
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Fixed, the errors happening within SMTPSender are different when the server can't be
reached, and when an account on a server is invalid. The invalid account exception
(SendFailedException) returns a InternetAddress[]. Previously I created MailAddress
from the failed ones, now I am creating
This is running on my mail server and appears to be not only faster but more stable.
Let me know (especially you kabir) if the concurrnecy issue shows up again. I think
its nailed. Moreover I think timeout works. Next up will be to mbeanize the thread
pool and have server use it that way.
sounds like a good idea to get a little more serious on multithreading. am curious
what the original symptoms were though, just for my own educational value (i know they
weren't quite definite, which is ok too).
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I kept on getting spam meant for Andy, as if I did not have enough of my own :-)
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that's interesting... but i was also using his mail server for many days (via
microsoft outlook client) and didn't get even one
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Weird... Am using Outlook too
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found a ClassCastException in JMSMailListener.prepareBounceMessageForMail(), and am
not sure how to proceed. may be a minor architectural issue needing original
architect's advice :-)
issue is in logic looking at whether recipient is local or not, whether or not to add
message to a failed
any status on the JCA work? if i recall correctly, is it in the stage of an
uncommitted patch at the moment?
reason i want to know is i was just playing around with the idea of webmail, and using
javamail Session's, Store's, and Folder's to connect to jbmail server via pop3 (would
be better to
Hey, the status is very alpha, untested. The code is uploaded, but with no unit tests.
I'm still working on the unit tests and figuring out all I need in order to bootstrap
the server with JNDI/JCA and load it up correctly.
I didn't mean for things to take so long, but things have been crazy at
What happens when you do a
rcpts.getClass().getName()?
This should tell you what class is actually it's expecting. You may already know this
sort of thing, not trying to be insulting.
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no problem steve, i positively appreciate any time someone can spend to help me
understand this or any other issue! thanks.
i did a logger.info(rcpts.getClass()), which showed a MailAddress, and not an
EnvelopedAddress. that also explains the ClassCastException.
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btw ---
The issue required two people to log in at the same time (I think). You probably
logged in less Mike. LEt me know if it happens again. I dobut it will.
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Right now, the way things are planned, the JCA adapter will do the same thing
MailService does.
Run that by me again? You're not writing the JCA adapter to USE mail services?
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This is kabir's code. I think the logic only takes place if say the server doesn't
exist. Yahoo would generate the bounce message if it was justa non-existent account.
Whats weird is it seems like the bounce code is working...
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