Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.

2003-08-22 Thread Brian Wallis
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:21 pm, Juha Lindfors wrote:
 Subclasses would fall under LGPL, as far as I can tell, if they're
 distributed publically.

What about implements EntityBean etc. Surely all my beans are not now LGPL. 
Or extends ServiceMBeanSupport so my mbeans are now LGPL. 

I hope not. I think that interpretation would severely limit the use of the 
JBoss.

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Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.

2003-08-22 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Only if you distribute it.  If you don't distribute it then its not enacted.
So if you hack jboss up for your internal systems, you're not obligated.  If
you distribute those to the outside world, you're obligated.

However, take this advice for utter BS (and Juha's too, no offense).  The
best advice anyone can get regarding ANY software license is ask an
attorney. 

As an experienced open source guy, the first thing I did when I started
making any substantial amount of money was find an attorney.  I can make a
recommendation for one if you need one.

-Andy

On 8/21/03 6:21 AM, Juha Lindfors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Subclasses would fall under LGPL, as far as I can tell, if they're
 distributed publically.
 
 -- Juha
 
 On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Jim Brownfield wrote:
 
 I believe subclassing would also be OK, so if you need to modify
 functionality, you might be able to extend a JBoss class without making your
 code opensource.
 
 --
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Radical System Solutions, Inc.
 
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 IANAL.  Plugins are ok I think.  But any modified JBoss
 source code must be
 licensed under LGPL and become itself, open source.
 
 Bill
 
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 Hi All,
 
  Can we add plugin's to JBoss  modify JBoss
 source code and use it for commercial purposes.
 
 How is the Licence for the JBoss. I have read the LGPL
 Licence, but i am not getting it clearly Plz send your
 comments.
 
 TIA
 
 Regards
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RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.

2003-08-22 Thread Bill Burke
According to this post to POI-dev, Dave Turner (Mr License) of the FSF has
decreed that the steps required to use an LGPL'd Java library will actually
infect client code with substantial GNU-ness via Section 6 of the LGPL. (The
Lesser GPL is supposed to protect only the Library, without infecting code
using the library) This, as you might imagine, puts a few LGPL Java projects
that previously thought they were embeddable without being viral in a bit of
a bind. Various weblogs have further coverage.

 THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART 

Update: 07/18 02:44 GMT by CN: The FSF's Executive Director, Brad Kuhn adds
LGPL's S. 6 allows you to make new works that link with the LGPL'ed code,
and license them any way you see fit. Only the LGPL'ed code itself must
remain Free. Such 'client code' can even be proprietary; it need not be
LGPL'ed.


Bill Burke
Chief Architect
JBoss Group, LLC


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 On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:21 pm, Juha Lindfors wrote:
  Subclasses would fall under LGPL, as far as I can tell, if they're
  distributed publically.

 What about implements EntityBean etc. Surely all my beans are
 not now LGPL.
 Or extends ServiceMBeanSupport so my mbeans are now LGPL.

 I hope not. I think that interpretation would severely limit the
 use of the
 JBoss.

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RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.

2003-08-21 Thread Juha Lindfors

Subclasses would fall under LGPL, as far as I can tell, if they're
distributed publically.

-- Juha

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Jim Brownfield wrote:

 I believe subclassing would also be OK, so if you need to modify
 functionality, you might be able to extend a JBoss class without making your
 code opensource.

 --
 Jim Brownfield
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Radical System Solutions, Inc.

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Bill Burke
  Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:42 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.
 
 
  IANAL.  Plugins are ok I think.  But any modified JBoss
  source code must be
  licensed under LGPL and become itself, open source.
 
  Bill
 
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   Venkatesh V
   Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:19 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: [JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.
  
  
   Hi All,
  
Can we add plugin's to JBoss  modify JBoss
   source code and use it for commercial purposes.
  
   How is the Licence for the JBoss. I have read the LGPL
   Licence, but i am not getting it clearly Plz send your
   comments.
  
   TIA
  
   Regards
   Venkatesh V
  
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[JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.

2003-08-20 Thread Venkatesh V
Hi All,

 Can we add plugin's to JBoss  modify JBoss
source code and use it for commercial purposes.

How is the Licence for the JBoss. I have read the LGPL
Licence, but i am not getting it clearly Plz send your
comments.

TIA

Regards
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RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.

2003-08-20 Thread Bill Burke
IANAL.  Plugins are ok I think.  But any modified JBoss source code must be
licensed under LGPL and become itself, open source.

Bill

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 Hi All,

  Can we add plugin's to JBoss  modify JBoss
 source code and use it for commercial purposes.

 How is the Licence for the JBoss. I have read the LGPL
 Licence, but i am not getting it clearly Plz send your
 comments.

 TIA

 Regards
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RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.

2003-08-20 Thread Jim Brownfield
I believe subclassing would also be OK, so if you need to modify
functionality, you might be able to extend a JBoss class without making your
code opensource.

-- 
Jim Brownfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Radical System Solutions, Inc. 

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 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.
 
 
 IANAL.  Plugins are ok I think.  But any modified JBoss 
 source code must be
 licensed under LGPL and become itself, open source.
 
 Bill
 
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:19 AM
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  Subject: [JBoss-dev] JBoss Licencing.
 
 
  Hi All,
 
   Can we add plugin's to JBoss  modify JBoss
  source code and use it for commercial purposes.
 
  How is the Licence for the JBoss. I have read the LGPL
  Licence, but i am not getting it clearly Plz send your
  comments.
 
  TIA
 
  Regards
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