RE: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-24 Thread Rahul Ganjoo 
yes,but i think it should be more prominent...

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did you check our references page?

marc f

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> Behalf Of Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:49 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore
> 
> 
> i agree with Rahul, succefull stories are the best markting
> you coul'd 
> do ever. People here just took every business logic from the 
> server side 
> and put it in the database as pl-sql (urghh!!1). Their main 
> argument is 
> that they know that oracle will support high-load, and by 
> what they saw 
> of ejb-ql in action (a sql for each cmr get) they didn't 
> believed that 
> this woul'd scale (in the database).
> 
> BTW, i think dain said he was planning to implement a
> read-ahead through 
> cmr's relationships, this woul'd fix one of the worst 
> problems of CMP, 
> that is the great number of selects at the db
> 
> Rahul Ganjoo wrote:
> > what about some success stories?? in my organization decsion makers
> > arent convinced Jboss is reliable for production... or when 
> u need to
> > support heavy loads etc..
> > developers might know whats good and whats not.. but in this service 
> > model of s/w development i work in ,the guys sitting up there
> will not suggest
> > Jboss
> > to a client if hes ready to pay for IBM/BEA stuff.. its safer... if 
> > some success stories are highlighted we might actually
> see a change
> > in that..
> > Jboss shouldnt be a poor mans appserver... it should be a smart mans 
> > appserver..
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Lennart Petersson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:09 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore
> > 
> > 
> > There sure is a problem with the homepage if you want to reach 
> > non-developers - you know... those people earning more but
> doing less :)
> > 
> > I get that response a lot of time from our
> marketing/salesman/bla bla
> > bla people that they don't get what it really is from reading the
> > homepage... Sure a lot of cool stuff but - why J2EE 
> solutions and why
> > is JBoss that good and why to choose JBoss over BEA/IBM and why not
> > .Net and... That kind of information is needed and should be found 
> > together in one place and ready to use when talking with customers.
> > 
> > I think that our community has a lot of this stuff already, why not 
> > bring the best of it together and publish it after being 
> > JBossGroupified?
> > 
> > /Lennart
> > 
> > fredagen den 22 november 2002 kl 07.23 skrev marc fleury:
> > 
> > 
> >>we need to start pushing a lot of things from the homepage.
> I need to
> >>rethink a lot of the website. I want the developemnt to
> move there and
> > 
> > 
> >>our communication about the features to be clear on that website.
> >>
> >>We kick ass and we need to say it to the world.
> >>
> >>netboot has been there for about a year (courtesy of Jason and moi) 
> >>and it is still sort of hush-hush.
> >>
> >>Marketing ain't it a bitch.
> >>
> >>marc f
> > 
> > 
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Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-22 Thread Jason Dillon 
Yes, I am hoping this will be the case... seems like a no brainer to me 
though.

--jason


On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 08:57  AM, Peter Fagerlund wrote:


fredagen den 22 november 2002 kl 01.35 skrev James Cook:


Prob the most interesting part will be setting it up to work on hsql 
out
of the box.

Please consider using a lookup of DefaultDS instead of calling hsqldb 
direct in any generic code.

/peter_f



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RE: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-22 Thread marc fleury 
did you check our references page?

marc f

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
> Behalf Of Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:49 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore
> 
> 
> i agree with Rahul, succefull stories are the best markting 
> you coul'd 
> do ever. People here just took every business logic from the 
> server side 
> and put it in the database as pl-sql (urghh!!1). Their main 
> argument is 
> that they know that oracle will support high-load, and by 
> what they saw 
> of ejb-ql in action (a sql for each cmr get) they didn't 
> believed that 
> this woul'd scale (in the database).
> 
> BTW, i think dain said he was planning to implement a 
> read-ahead through 
> cmr's relationships, this woul'd fix one of the worst 
> problems of CMP, 
> that is the great number of selects at the db
> 
> Rahul Ganjoo wrote:
> > what about some success stories?? in my organization decsion makers 
> > arent convinced Jboss is reliable for production... or when 
> u need to 
> > support heavy loads etc..
> > developers might know whats good and whats not.. but in this service
> > model
> > of s/w development i work in ,the guys sitting up there 
> will not suggest
> > Jboss
> > to a client if hes ready to pay for IBM/BEA stuff.. its safer...
> > if some success stories are highlighted we might actually 
> see a change
> > in that..
> > Jboss shouldnt be a poor mans appserver... it should be a smart mans
> > appserver..
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Lennart Petersson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:09 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore
> > 
> > 
> > There sure is a problem with the homepage if you want to reach
> > non-developers - you know... those people earning more but 
> doing less :)
> > 
> > I get that response a lot of time from our 
> marketing/salesman/bla bla
> > bla people that they don't get what it really is from reading the 
> > homepage... Sure a lot of cool stuff but - why J2EE 
> solutions and why 
> > is JBoss that good and why to choose JBoss over BEA/IBM and why not 
> > .Net and... That kind of information is needed and should be found 
> > together in one place and ready to use when talking with customers.
> > 
> > I think that our community has a lot of this stuff already, why not
> > bring the best of it together and publish it after being 
> > JBossGroupified?
> > 
> > /Lennart
> > 
> > fredagen den 22 november 2002 kl 07.23 skrev marc fleury:
> > 
> > 
> >>we need to start pushing a lot of things from the homepage. 
> I need to
> >>rethink a lot of the website. I want the developemnt to 
> move there and
> > 
> > 
> >>our communication about the features to be clear on that website.
> >>
> >>We kick ass and we need to say it to the world.
> >>
> >>netboot has been there for about a year (courtesy of Jason and moi)
> >>and it is still sort of hush-hush.
> >>
> >>Marketing ain't it a bitch.
> >>
> >>marc f
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-22 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços 
i agree with Rahul, succefull stories are the best markting you coul'd 
do ever. People here just took every business logic from the server side 
and put it in the database as pl-sql (urghh!!1). Their main argument is 
that they know that oracle will support high-load, and by what they saw 
of ejb-ql in action (a sql for each cmr get) they didn't believed that 
this woul'd scale (in the database).

BTW, i think dain said he was planning to implement a read-ahead through 
cmr's relationships, this woul'd fix one of the worst problems of CMP, 
that is the great number of selects at the db

Rahul Ganjoo wrote:
what about some success stories?? in my organization decsion makers
arent convinced
Jboss is reliable for production... or when u need to support heavy
loads etc..
developers might know whats good and whats not.. but in this service
model
of s/w development i work in ,the guys sitting up there will not suggest
Jboss
to a client if hes ready to pay for IBM/BEA stuff.. its safer...
if some success stories are highlighted we might actually see a change
in that..
Jboss shouldnt be a poor mans appserver... it should be a smart mans
appserver..


-Original Message-
From: Lennart Petersson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore


There sure is a problem with the homepage if you want to reach 
non-developers - you know... those people earning more but doing less :)

I get that response a lot of time from our marketing/salesman/bla bla 
bla people that they don't get what it really is from reading the 
homepage... Sure a lot of cool stuff but - why J2EE solutions and why 
is JBoss that good and why to choose JBoss over BEA/IBM and why not 
.Net and... That kind of information is needed and should be found 
together in one place and ready to use when talking with customers.

I think that our community has a lot of this stuff already, why not 
bring the best of it together and publish it after being 
JBossGroupified?

/Lennart

fredagen den 22 november 2002 kl 07.23 skrev marc fleury:


we need to start pushing a lot of things from the homepage. I need to 
rethink a lot of the website. I want the developemnt to move there and



our communication about the features to be clear on that website.

We kick ass and we need to say it to the world.

netboot has been there for about a year (courtesy of Jason and moi) 
and it is still sort of hush-hush.

Marketing ain't it a bitch.

marc f




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Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-22 Thread Peter Fagerlund 

fredagen den 22 november 2002 kl 01.35 skrev James Cook:


Prob the most interesting part will be setting it up to work on hsql 
out
of the box.

Please consider using a lookup of DefaultDS instead of calling hsqldb 
direct in any generic code.

/peter_f



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RE: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-22 Thread Rahul Ganjoo 
what about some success stories?? in my organization decsion makers
arent convinced
Jboss is reliable for production... or when u need to support heavy
loads etc..
developers might know whats good and whats not.. but in this service
model
of s/w development i work in ,the guys sitting up there will not suggest
Jboss
to a client if hes ready to pay for IBM/BEA stuff.. its safer...
if some success stories are highlighted we might actually see a change
in that..
Jboss shouldnt be a poor mans appserver... it should be a smart mans
appserver..


-Original Message-
From: Lennart Petersson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore


There sure is a problem with the homepage if you want to reach 
non-developers - you know... those people earning more but doing less :)

I get that response a lot of time from our marketing/salesman/bla bla 
bla people that they don't get what it really is from reading the 
homepage... Sure a lot of cool stuff but - why J2EE solutions and why 
is JBoss that good and why to choose JBoss over BEA/IBM and why not 
.Net and... That kind of information is needed and should be found 
together in one place and ready to use when talking with customers.

I think that our community has a lot of this stuff already, why not 
bring the best of it together and publish it after being 
JBossGroupified?

/Lennart

fredagen den 22 november 2002 kl 07.23 skrev marc fleury:

> we need to start pushing a lot of things from the homepage. I need to 
> rethink a lot of the website. I want the developemnt to move there and

> our communication about the features to be clear on that website.
>
> We kick ass and we need to say it to the world.
>
> netboot has been there for about a year (courtesy of Jason and moi) 
> and it is still sort of hush-hush.
>
> Marketing ain't it a bitch.
>
> marc f



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Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-21 Thread Lennart Petersson 
There sure is a problem with the homepage if you want to reach 
non-developers - you know... those people earning more but doing less :)

I get that response a lot of time from our marketing/salesman/bla bla 
bla people that they don't get what it really is from reading the 
homepage... Sure a lot of cool stuff but - why J2EE solutions and why 
is JBoss that good and why to choose JBoss over BEA/IBM and why not 
.Net and... That kind of information is needed and should be found 
together in one place and ready to use when talking with customers.

I think that our community has a lot of this stuff already, why not 
bring the best of it together and publish it after being 
JBossGroupified?

/Lennart

fredagen den 22 november 2002 kl 07.23 skrev marc fleury:

we need to start pushing a lot of things from the homepage. I need to
rethink a lot of the website. I want the developemnt to move there and
our communication about the features to be clear on that website.

We kick ass and we need to say it to the world.

netboot has been there for about a year (courtesy of Jason and moi) and
it is still sort of hush-hush.

Marketing ain't it a bitch.

marc f




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RE: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-21 Thread marc fleury 
we need to start pushing a lot of things from the homepage. I need to
rethink a lot of the website. I want the developemnt to move there and
our communication about the features to be clear on that website.  

We kick ass and we need to say it to the world. 

netboot has been there for about a year (courtesy of Jason and moi) and
it is still sort of hush-hush.

Marketing ain't it a bitch.

marc f



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
> Behalf Of James Cook
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:36 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore
> 
> 
> Prob the most interesting part will be setting it up to work 
> on hsql out of the box. Should be cool though, not only cause 
> you will be able to download, hot install, *run* not just an 
> app server (which is impressive enough), but an entire DBMS 
> and working applications. Mui cool, push this idea from the 
> home page, its buried now. 30K download kicks off the whole 
> process, cool! Be sure to package as Java Web Start, awesome 
> for OS X admins.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
> > Behalf Of Jeremy Boynes
> > I'll give it a shot if you can't find someone who has done 
> > the PetStore before - I'd be taking the intermediate route. 
> > I'm assuming most of the effort here is deploying it to JBoss 
> > and configuring the necessary resources.
> 
> 
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Re: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-21 Thread Jason Dillon 
Go for it!  Let me know how long you think it will take and if you need 
any help.

--jason


On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 11:52  AM, Jeremy Boynes wrote:

I'll give it a shot if you can't find someone who has done the PetStore
before - I'd be taking the intermediate route. I'm assuming most of the
effort here is deploying it to JBoss and configuring the necessary
resources.

Jeremy


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Jason
Dillon
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore


Anyone want to make a NetBoot configuration which runs the latest
PetStore from SUN?  I have been meaning to do this for awhile, but
never seem to find the time.  This is a simple task for someone who 
has
setup the PetStore in JBoss 3.x before, or an intermediate task for
someone who is looking to help us out.

Let me know. I want to get this function soon, as it is a powerful
example of how NetBoot works and allows users to see how JBoss works 
in
a semi-real world situation.

So, anyone want to take a shot?  I can advise as needed... but please
not smart asses.  If you would like to help great I do not need more
stress yo!

Let me know, a RW could be in it for ya ;)

--jason



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RE: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-21 Thread James Cook 
Prob the most interesting part will be setting it up to work on hsql out
of the box. Should be cool though, not only cause you will be able to
download, hot install, *run* not just an app server (which is impressive
enough), but an entire DBMS and working applications. Mui cool, push
this idea from the home page, its buried now. 30K download kicks off the
whole process, cool! Be sure to package as Java Web Start, awesome for
OS X admins.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
> Behalf Of Jeremy Boynes
> I'll give it a shot if you can't find someone who has done 
> the PetStore before - I'd be taking the intermediate route. 
> I'm assuming most of the effort here is deploying it to JBoss 
> and configuring the necessary resources.



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RE: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-21 Thread Jeremy Boynes 
I'll give it a shot if you can't find someone who has done the PetStore
before - I'd be taking the intermediate route. I'm assuming most of the
effort here is deploying it to JBoss and configuring the necessary
resources.

Jeremy

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason
> Dillon
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:57 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore
>
>
> Anyone want to make a NetBoot configuration which runs the latest
> PetStore from SUN?  I have been meaning to do this for awhile, but
> never seem to find the time.  This is a simple task for someone who has
> setup the PetStore in JBoss 3.x before, or an intermediate task for
> someone who is looking to help us out.
>
> Let me know. I want to get this function soon, as it is a powerful
> example of how NetBoot works and allows users to see how JBoss works in
> a semi-real world situation.
>
> So, anyone want to take a shot?  I can advise as needed... but please
> not smart asses.  If you would like to help great I do not need more
> stress yo!
>
> Let me know, a RW could be in it for ya ;)
>
> --jason
>
>
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[JBoss-dev] TODO: NetBoot PetStore

2002-11-21 Thread Jason Dillon 
Anyone want to make a NetBoot configuration which runs the latest 
PetStore from SUN?  I have been meaning to do this for awhile, but 
never seem to find the time.  This is a simple task for someone who has 
setup the PetStore in JBoss 3.x before, or an intermediate task for 
someone who is looking to help us out.

Let me know. I want to get this function soon, as it is a powerful 
example of how NetBoot works and allows users to see how JBoss works in 
a semi-real world situation.

So, anyone want to take a shot?  I can advise as needed... but please 
not smart asses.  If you would like to help great I do not need more 
stress yo!

Let me know, a RW could be in it for ya ;)

--jason



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