If I can make a suggestion:
I would look back at the room logs for the JDEV conference room over
the last week, where there has been many discussions on this topic
looking at many different angles, including a whole evenings worth. Adam
Theo (theoretic.com) has also set up a wiki page
Dave wrote:
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- Dave
Richard Dobson wrote:
[...]
Of course you would, it doesnt mean you are right, emoticons are a client
feature and should have the ability to be turned off, which in your method
they cant be without turning off all embedded images,
Well-authored IMG
Hi
If i want to know , while adding a user to my roster, whether the
same user exists in the Jabber Server or not, how should I do ??
Thanks in advance
regds
r-a-v-i
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From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:58 AM
hi,
i get a '404' (not found) error from server, if i login from any jabber
client and send message to a msn buddy
the messages originating from msn are received properly on jabber clients in
the same session.
this problem starts only from second session of jabber id.(i.e. after
creation of
Dave wrote:
Okay, it's a 2 vs. 1 here ... how about if one of you echoes _my_
messages instead of the other's? That should even things a bit ;-)
- Dave
If we're going to start counting here, you can put me down for another
one against - I don't like sending img tags in the message.
When sending a message to a property-IM system like MSN, the client can
ofcourse
detect this and adapt emoticons accordingly (same for receiving), but
again, this is a
decision that's in the hands of the client developers.
This should be done at the transport level I think. Users on
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 04:21:22PM -0400, Dave wrote:
That was my other original idea (take a peek at my first post on this
subject, a few days ago). However, the sender may want a little more
control over the interpretation of his message, and having the receiving
client decide those
- Original Message -
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
When sending the icons, via some method, to a remote client. Who should
be responsible for checking that the images don't
hi all
i have developed a j2me client similar to the one at
alsutton's site. am using his xmlparser to parse the xml packets
that i receive from the stream created from the connection to the
jabber server. my problem is that after i send stream:stream
it gives me in reply
?xml.
Okay, it's a 2 vs. 1 here ... how about if one of you echoes _my_
messages instead of the other's? That should even things a bit ;-)
- Dave
If we're going to start counting here, you can put me down for another
one against
I'm a for :)
1) I don't like html-ish tags being stuck
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
Okay, it's a 2 vs. 1 here ... how about if one of you echoes _my_
messages instead of the other's? That should even things a bit
Hello,
For a group of server, I need to change all from and all to of
message ...
Imagine a domain like jabber.domaine.com for all users but their real
adress is jabber1.domaine.com, jabber2.domaine.com, jabber3.domaine.com, ...
And the users must only see jabber.domaine.com ...
i don't know
Richard Dobson wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
Okay, it's a 2 vs. 1 here ... how about if one of you echoes _my_
messages instead of the other's? That
Hello,
I don't believe it is, for a number of reasons
* In order to do this, the transport would have to scan and rewrite
every message passing both into the jabber network and out of it.
Imagine this on a high traffic transport, such as on jabber.org.
* If the client performs the
Hi,
After speaking to Temas/Nathan/Luis, I thought I'd have a go at
re-writing Jer's original xdb_auth_test.pl script. Instead of using
XML::Stream, I am using DJ's Jabber::Connection libraries.
I have the script up and running, and so far have not encountered any
problems. It seems to run
does jabber support voice chat now ?
Deddy Novrandianto
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hi.
I have been trying to find information on how client-client filetransfers
are supposed to be done. As I have understood it, after reading section 7.5
in http://www.jabber.org/ietf/draft-miller-jabber-00.html, the client that
offers a file to
The main software product at my company is in J++, and I'm interested in
bringing Jabber functionality into it. I've been using Xerces to parse
regular xml documents, but have run into numerous problems when I try to
hand it an InputStream a la Jabber, and I've pretty much given up trying
to use
Hello,
I have compiled the JabberOO library under Windows. I
want to develop a simple Win32 Jabber Client from
scratch. Where can I get some sample code that uses
JabberOO?
I am using VC++ 6.
Thanks in advance,
Rohit
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Another Java XML pull parser that's available is the XmlPullParser (or
XPP) at http://www.extreme.indiana.edu/xgws/xsoap/xpp/. It's not
specifically designed for J2ME (although it does work for that
environment).
It's the parser that's we're planning to use for JSO (more info at
Greetings,
I've followed the development of Jabber for a long time, looking at it
from an end-user perspective. (And if I ever learn to program I'd like to
take a shot at playing with the code.)
I think most people do see Jabber just as an IM system, at least when
they first come to it.
Hello,
I want to write a Win32 Jabber client from scratch. I
have downloaded and compiled JabberOO for Win32. I am
looking for sample code / tutorial to get myself
started with JabberOO.
Thanks in advance,
Rohit
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I am seeking a Java programmer familiar with the Jabber Protocol that has
experience in developing and launching commercially successful web
applications.
Ideal candidate would be located in the San Francisco Bay Area. This is a
free lance project at the moment and not full-time employment.
If
I integrated my lib as a barnyard plugin... it actually works :)
you will have to grab the library repos:
:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/openaether
password: (blank)
checkout src
:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/tools
checkout security
there is some info and docs on my site
Hi,
I have a few questions regarding reliability. - I hope you can help me
to get some insights about the behavior of Jabber.
- Does Jabber ensure that a message is delivered reliably?
- Is it possible to get a confirmation from the server or client when a
message has been delivered?
- Is
Fellows,
I'm evaluating using Jabber is my interoperability server.
I'm currently in the process of trying to install and run the Yahoo
transport, but it keeps asking for a untility called Jabber-Config, wounder
if you guy can tell me where shall i go?
Thanks
Is there a maximum resources cap or can one JID log on from a unlimited
number of resources?
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To my understanding there are no standard or even proposed protocols for
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- Original Message -
From: Deddy Novrandianto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jdev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:06 AM
Subject: [JDEV] Jabber voice chat
does jabber
Rohit Nadhani wrote:
Where can I get some sample code that uses
JabberOO?
Well, of course there's Gabber:
http://gabber.sf.net
...but did you want example code that will actually compile on win32?
(actually, if you just pull certain snippets of jabberoo-dependent code out of gabber,
it
Gerhard Poul wrote:
Hi,
I have a few questions regarding reliability. - I hope you can help me
to get some insights about the behavior of Jabber.
- Does Jabber ensure that a message is delivered reliably?
No.
- Is it possible to get a confirmation from the server or client when a
message
Uh, yeah ... I guess we can reimplement the functionality provided
by HTML with our own invention. Because we're not constrained by
two companies trying to outdo each other with the industry voting on
standards, we may even be able to beat HTML at its own game. Hmm. . .
I dunno ... maybe. . .
Look at gabber, it will not compile on windows with VC++ but you can look at
it to see how to use jabberoo.
- Original Message -
From: Rohit Nadhani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 8:18 AM
Subject: [JDEV] Developing a client using JabberOO
Hello,
Hi,
I use Crimson as my parser and that seems to be fine. Crimson handles
streaming XML pretty well.
Also, if you're using Xerces, I think Xerces2 will also support streaming
XML as well.
Thanks,
Chris
At 03:51 PM 04/11/2002, you wrote:
The main software product at my company is in J++,
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- Dave
Thomas Parslow (PatRat) wrote:
Okay, now before you read my response to a previous message (which
answers all your concerns), can anybody come up with any more problems
with the HTML IMG tag approach? That was certainly a rather major salvo
of bashing you folks
Johan Persson wrote:
Which means that if one wishes the jabber filertransfer to work as others IM's
(like icq) the client should have a build-in http-server.
Yes, this is (somewhat) correct. The files do not neccessarily have to
be served locally - some clients transfer files through WebDAV
most likely you changed the file in notepad like i did,
you need to do save as from notepad and save as a unicode text file instead
of the default
or at least that was my problem
good luck!
pobst
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
- Is it possible to get a confirmation from the server or client when a
message has been delivered?
Possible to get a client to confirm messages, although there isn't a
standardized way to request this.
Actually there is.
Take a close(r) look at the jabber:x:event JEP (#22). It describes
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Richard Dobson wrote:
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From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
also there is no way
of stopping the sending person from sending them in
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Richard Dobson wrote:
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From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
also those sort of devices can currently display .png or
.gif, only .wbmp,
If we want emoticons to be a distinct entity which is _not_ the same
as images, the correct way to do it in XML is to define a namespace and
use elements of the appropriate types. Telling clients that they must
mangle the actual text returned by the XML parser in order to figure out
what text
Yup, I just read through all of the above, and now I'm beginning to think
that maybe Jabber shouldn't implement emoticons at all. People send
emoticon-containing emails even though plain-text email doesn't support
'em directly; why should IM?
That said, I _would_ ask the transports to translate
Hello,
Please forgive me for posting, but I am in the need of a
developer/consultant to work on a project on which we will use Jabber or the
JCP as a messenging layer to communicate between a backend server system
(which in turn will dish out information and retrieve information to/from an
...so I take it your vote would go for a proper XML-based approach?
- Dave
Mattias Campe wrote:
Dave wrote:
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- Dave
Richard Dobson wrote:
[...]
Of course you would, it doesnt mean you are right, emoticons are a client
feature and should have the ability to
What does this have to do with my message (quoted by you below)???
- Dave
r-a-v-i wrote:
Hi
If i want to know , while adding a user to my roster, whether the
same user exists in the Jabber Server or not, how should I do ??
Thanks in advance
regds
r-a-v-i
- Original
Just some thoughts.
It could be time for the jabber community to define an official way
file sharing should be done. I don't say here that it should be written
by jabber folks, or that it should be part of the jabber server, but
having a implementation reference could help. For instance,
Julian Fitzell wrote: Dave wrote:Okay, it's a 2 vs. 1 here
... how about if one of you echoes _my_messages instead of the
other's? That should even things a bit ;-)- Dave
If we're going to start counting here, you can put me down for another
one against - I don't like
If people insist on refusing to accept English as a standard language
even for filenames, they'll have an awful lot of trouble accepting :star:
either. With that in mind, I fail to see any merit in the argument you
presented below.
- Dave
Richard Dobson wrote:
But what if a client wants
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- Dave
Note: I'm in almost complete agreement, so you may not want to bother
reading this message if you're short on time.
Dave Turner wrote:
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 04:21:22PM -0400, Dave wrote:
That was my other original idea (take a peek at my first post on this
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Richard Dobson wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
Okay, it's a 2 vs. 1 here ... how about if one of you echoes _my_
messages
I appreciate all the commentary and brain-power being sunk into the emoticon
issue, but at the same time, I'm a little tired of having to clean my email
box of 20+ messages several times a day. Is there any chance of moving this
discussion to it's own mailing list so that other questions don't
Modifying a processor to interpret URNs instead of URLs is no biggie.
Besides, we can always just use relative URLs, and scratch the processor
patching process.
- Dave
Julian Fitzell wrote:
Richard Dobson wrote:
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To: [EMAIL
Philippe Raxhon wrote:
Just some thoughts.
It could be time for the jabber community to define an official way
file sharing should be done. I don't say here that it should be
written by jabber folks, or that it should be part of the jabber
server, but having a implementation reference
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- Dave
David Sutton wrote:
Hello,
I don't believe it is, for a number of reasons
* In order to do this, the transport would have to scan and rewrite
every message passing both into the jabber network and out of it.
Imagine this on a high traffic transport, such as
Why would you want to put inline x elements in the xhtml segment???
- Dave
Richard Dobson wrote:
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From: Julian Fitzell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
Thats much
Hi dave,
I've read almost all your posts on this subject, and though you make an intresting
point that XML is a much more flexible system for embedding all kinds of information
in your messages I still think your approach to the subject is way to heavy..
Though you came with a variaty of
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From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
any means it is part of the wap standards, I said all of this because
your
I happen to hate the WAP standards, but that's neither
Can we start a JIG or something? It's a simple concept so it
wouldn't take much time to come up with standards, but the debating of
which proposal is better is time consuming.
-mikem
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:26:56 -0600 Dave Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I appreciate all the commentary and
Yeah getting Xerces to except a tcp input is a large pain in the a**
but I did it a while ago so feel free to use my code or just as an
example...
www.openaether.org/access.html -- how to get it
the files you should look at:
oajabber/iojabber.h iojabber.cpp
ding me if you have any
I second this motion!!!
but aren't we forgetting emoticon's stepchild, the assicon?
( | ) and (_*_)
On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 19:26, Dave Smith wrote:
I appreciate all the commentary and brain-power being sunk into the emoticon
issue, but at the same time, I'm a little tired of having to clean
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From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
Also why mention web browsers, jabber is not a web browser ???
Jabber clients that download images off the 'net had better be (or be
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From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
If people insist on refusing to accept English as a standard language
even for filenames, they'll have an awful lot of
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From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
Modifying a processor to interpret URNs instead of URLs is no biggie.
Besides, we can always just use relative URLs, and scratch
I dont know but that is what the person was suggesting
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From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
Why would you want to put inline x elements in the xhtml segment???
-
Yes why dont we create one for each idea so we can produce a proper document
fully outlining why we think it is a good way to do it, with
reasons/applications for it/examples etc so everyone can review it in its
entirety and we can maybe have a vote on them to see which everyone thinks
is best,
you've worked in standards groups before, I see. Perhaps
you can come up with the Mission and Vision statements.
:-), :smiley:, or img
src=http://someIP:port/resource/path/to/some/icon;
alt=smiley face
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Behalf Of
I don't think the Jabber protocol itself should define that standard
set. Rather, we should let individual Web repositories develop, each
with its own set of emoticons. If j.o is the first one, there will
be an incentive for any new ones to be compatible with it. However,
there are plenty of
Uh, okay ... I guess. . .
/me's too worn out to argue about this, too :-(
- Dave
Justin Kirby wrote:
You should not have snort do anything like that, it only slows it
down... the only thing snort should do is dump data to a file via the
unified alert...
Barnyard is what should be
I don't suppose that worked, did it?
- Dave
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Lars Nilsson [EMAIL
I already wrote a document for the XHTML proposal; it was on the 18th, so
it probably doesn't have all of the points from the thread, and is just my
personal recomendation, but it should be useful.
http://www.hypothetic.org/docs/jabber_emoticons.php
-mikem
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:04:56 +0100
Hello,
The thing is that in order to use one of these transports, you must
have subscribed to it, and the transport will have informed your client
exactly which protocol it will encapsulate for. Your client, therefore,
knows exactly which protocol the end client is using.
In regards to
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