Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

On 3/12/09 8:31 PM, Brett Zamir wrote: >> - Original Message > >> From: Peter Saint-Andre To: Jabber/XMPP >> software development list Sent: Friday, March 13, >> 2009 2:15:12 AM Subject: Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting >> >> On 3/12/09 12:13 PM, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: >>> Am 12.03.2

Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

> - Original Message > From: Peter Saint-Andre > To: Jabber/XMPP software development list > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:15:12 AM > Subject: Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting > > On 3/12/09 12:13 PM, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: >> Am 12.03.2009 um 18:59 schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: >>

Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

> From: Norman Rasmussen > To: Jabber/XMPP software development list > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:25:03 AM > Subject: Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >> 2) RFC3921bis-08: "The element MUST

Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > 2) RFC3921bis-08: "The element MUST NOT possess any attributes." > > (also with , , , ) > > > > The latter could be made to state "MUST NOT possess any non-namespaced > > attributes". > > IMHO we don't need to change the schemas for th

[jdev] MXM agenda

Here is a rough agenda for today's Monthly XMPP Meeting. Time: 20:00 UTC (1 hour from now) Length: 1 hour Place: j...@conference.jabber.org Theme: Why I Hate XMPP / What Do We Need to Fix? 0. Ground Rules 1. Divide up the topics. I suggest: Community, Roadmap, Fundamentals 2. Community 2.1 Hea

Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

On 3/12/09 12:13 PM, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: > Am 12.03.2009 um 18:59 schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: > >> On 3/10/09 1:00 AM, Nathan Fritz wrote: >> >>> XMPP sucks because the namespaces are incredibly inconsistent >> >> Could you explain that more? > > > I guess he's talking about jabber:iq:* vs.

Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

Am 12.03.2009 um 18:59 schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: On 3/10/09 1:00 AM, Nathan Fritz wrote: XMPP sucks because the namespaces are incredibly inconsistent Could you explain that more? I guess he's talking about jabber:iq:* vs. urn:xmpp:* vs. http://jabber.org/* -- Jonathan PGP.sig Descri

Re: [jdev] a vision

Am 12.03.2009 um 17:50 schrieb Dave Cridland: Well, I'm certainly not denying that any officially selected client would have a massive advantage, but I think all clients would benefit from attempting to be the chosen one, and as long as we were careful about reselecting the client on a regular b

Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

On 3/10/09 4:42 AM, Brett Zamir wrote: > On 3/10/2009 4:37 PM, Norman Rasmussen wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Brett Zamir > > wrote: >> >> Nice idea... I'd like to add lack of full XML and namespace >> support (ok, maybe not XML with notations, externa

Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

On 3/10/09 5:58 AM, Pedro Melo wrote: > On Mar 10, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Remko Tronçon wrote: > >>> OK, I came up with a theme for this meeting: "Why I Hate XMPP". :) >> The idea of a groupchat sounds pretty neat, but I'm a bit worried >> about the anarchy that the subject entails. Looking at the thre

Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

On 3/10/09 1:00 AM, Nathan Fritz wrote: > XMPP sucks because the namespaces are incredibly inconsistent Could you explain that more? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ JDev mailing list Forum: http://www.jabberforum.org/forumd

Re: [jdev] a vision

On 3/12/09 11:24 AM, Pedro Melo wrote: > > On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Justin Karneges wrote: > >> The big question of all is whether it is the job of jabber.org to >> compete with >> Skype. Aren't there others in this space already trying to do >> that? If >> jabber.org is truly competiti

Re: [jdev] a vision

On Thursday 12 March 2009 10:24:21 Pedro Melo wrote: > As for the IM service, I would keep it running and continue to accept > new users as the "backup route for new jabber users": if they are not > introduced to a more local jabber service then you can always have > Jabber.org. A friend once said

Re: [jdev] a vision

Hi, On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Justin Karneges wrote: > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:24:50 Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> None of this would be exclusive. We'd still strongly encourage >> people to >> run their own XMPP services and join the network. But we'd also work >> hard to have worldwide c

Re: [jdev] a vision

On Thu Mar 12 16:35:56 2009, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: > It's not. An open source client can be developed by everybody. > Everybody can participate, write patches, etc. If it's the official > client, everybody will focus on that. > > Well, I'm certainly not denying that any officially selec

Re: [jdev] a vision

On 3/12/09 10:35 AM, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: > jabber.org is just a server. It's run by the XSF. The jabber.org server is not run by the XSF, it is run by a team of volunteers from the community. However, it hosted on machines owned by the XSF. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [jdev] a vision

Am 12.03.2009 um 17:30 schrieb Dave Cridland: On Thu Mar 12 16:09:41 2009, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: No matter what happens, someone's feelings will be hurt. We can't list every client under the sun -- it's too confusing. Of course, but having one client which we call the official client w

Re: [jdev] a vision

On Thu Mar 12 16:09:41 2009, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: >> No matter what happens, someone's feelings will be hurt. We can't >> list >> every client under the sun -- it's too confusing. > > Of course, but having one client which we call the official client > will be contraproductive for every

Re: [jdev] a vision

Am 12.03.2009 um 16:13 schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: Heh, that's what I've been suggesting for years. It's easy for those who don't run the services to make suggestions. Gateways are a royal pain in the ass, which is why we haven't run them at jabber.org since 2000 or 2001. I know that and I wo

Re: [jdev] a vision

On 3/12/09 9:00 AM, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: > Am 11.03.2009 um 19:43 schrieb Dirk Meyer: > >> Right. It is all about marketing. It would help (not for my sister) if >> we easy MSN/AIM/ICQ integration (gateway) in the servers and an EASY way >> to provide the credentials. That makes switching pai

Re: [jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

Am 11.03.2009 um 21:19 schrieb Norman Rasmussen: It depends on if stpeter is on your roster with a subscription status of 'from' or 'both' or not. I was talking about both. rfc3921bis-07 section 4.6.2: summary: if the user is on your roster: then global can override directed, Which is a

Re: [jdev] a vision

Am 11.03.2009 um 19:43 schrieb Dirk Meyer: Right. It is all about marketing. It would help (not for my sister) if we easy MSN/AIM/ICQ integration (gateway) in the servers and an EASY way to provide the credentials. That makes switching painless for everything except Skype ("You can still ta

Re: [jdev] a vision

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > 3. Do we try to deploy the kinds of services that are needed in order > for people to have a better experience? As far as I can see, those > services are SOCKS5 and TURN relays for file transfer and voice/video. > But we can't deploy jus