[Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread Robert Hanson
Kind of a doomsday, I'm afraid. One of the aspects of this (if I have it right, and I think I do) is that *all Java developers who which to build any applet and run it on their local installations will have to have trusted signed certificates.* As far as I can tell, this is pretty much the end

Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread Angel Herráez
This is building up on my previous feeling: while trying to protect themselves from responsibility on what malicious Java applets might do, Oracle is just killing their own Java business -- everyone will run away and move to another platform. Do they realize?

Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread Robert Hanson
Sure they realize. I think we're lucky Java still exists at all, actually. I'm guessing Oracle is running fastest. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Angel Herráez angel.herr...@uah.es wrote: This is building up on my previous feeling: while trying to protect themselves from responsibility on

Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread Nicolas Vervelle
Hi Bob, Hard constraints are indeed being added to Java for applets and JNLP :-( I think it will still be possible to use self signed applets locally for development by circumventing this mechanism : a trusted certificate is nothing more than a certificate issued by a root certificate authority

Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread Robert Hanson
nope. Read the blog carefully. https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/entry/code_signing_understanding_who_and *Developers* must sign any browser applet or Web Start application that they produce. Signatures on other application types (such as back-end server applications) are optional.

Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread Nicolas Vervelle
You misunderstood me. You will need to sign Jmol applet even to test it locally, I agree, this is a new requirement. But locally, you can add your own self-signed certificate (or the own currently in Jmol SVN) in your repository of trusted certificate authorities : your self-signed certificate

Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread Robert Hanson
That would be good. I'll believe it when I see it. That's not one of options they mention in the blog. Seems to me that would have been the obvious solution. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Nicolas Vervelle nverve...@gmail.comwrote: You misunderstood me. You will need to sign Jmol applet

Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread Nicolas Vervelle
I think it's just something like what is described in here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11617210/how-to-properly-import-a-selfsigned-certificate-into-java-keystore-that-is-avail Nico On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: That would be good. I'll believe

Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread Rolf Huehne
On 11/06/2013 06:29 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: That would be good. I'll believe it when I see it. That's not one of options they mention in the blog. Seems to me that would have been the obvious solution. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Nicolas Vervelle nverve...@gmail.comwrote: You

[Jmol-developers] Test of Jmol applet signed with a trusted certificate

2013-11-06 Thread Nicolas Vervelle
Hi, I've produced jars for Jmol signet applet that are signed with my own trusted certificate. The jars are also time-stamped. You can try them by downloading at http://site4145.mutu.sivit.org/Temporary/JmolAppletSigned.zip Nico

Re: [Jmol-developers] Test of Jmol applet signed with a trusted certificate

2013-11-06 Thread Angel Herráez
Nico, a quick test and it works I opened a page in local webserver (otherwise I am having trouble in general with JSmol from local disk) A Java dialog asked to trust you, I accepted for ever. Then it asked --a different dialog, from the browser maybe or the browser plugin-- if I wanted to allow

Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread LANCASHIRE,Robert J
Hi, For many years I have used local web pages on my laptop instead of using ppt for lectures. This has enabled me to have Jmol and JSpecView at hand and for 2-way interaction between them. (Originally I used MDL CHIME) I was horrified to discover that having set an assignment in our computer

Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014

2013-11-06 Thread Rzepa, Henry S
On 6 Nov 2013, at 20:21, LANCASHIRE,Robert J robert.lancash...@uwimona.edu.jm wrote: Hi, For many years I have used local web pages on my laptop instead of using ppt for lectures. This has enabled me to have Jmol and JSpecView at hand and for 2-way interaction between them.