Re: I value my freedom more than almost anything... except duckets
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: That's what I was trying to get at. Few would fault me if I claimed that my former employer practiced incessant micromanagement, as long as I had a few sane examples to back up my claim. However, the phrase repeated attempts to police the employees like a bunch of kindergartners seems a lot more emotionally loaded, perhaps even indicating some unresolved psychological flashbacks that I wouldn't want to take on as a new employer. Yeah, I see your point. I think I was more responding to a separate, but related topic, which wasn't really part of the thread, just something that's been on my mind lately as I've been interviewing. I think Terrence's phrase could be altered just a little to something like my employer makes me feel like I'm a kindergartner or I feel like my employer thinks I'm a kindergartner and it would be more palatable. -dave /*=== VegGuide.Orgwww.BookIRead.com Your guide to all that's veg. My book blog ===*/
Re: I value my freedom more than almost anything... except duckets
On Nov 25, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: I think Terrence's phrase could be altered just a little to something like my employer makes me feel like I'm a kindergartner or I feel like my employer thinks I'm a kindergartner and it would be more palatable. Best yet, turn it into a positive without ragging on the other company. I want to work for a place where I'm given the autonomy that someone in my position needs to be successful. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance
Re: I value my freedom more than almost anything... except duckets
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Andy Lester wrote: On Nov 25, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: I think Terrence's phrase could be altered just a little to something like my employer makes me feel like I'm a kindergartner or I feel like my employer thinks I'm a kindergartner and it would be more palatable. Best yet, turn it into a positive without ragging on the other company. I want to work for a place where I'm given the autonomy that someone in my position needs to be successful. It depends on the context. When I've been interviewing, I've been asked, why do you want to leave Socialtext? I like to answer the question asked, even if I segue into something else like what I want from my next employer. I don't think you need to be unremittingly positive. If I interviewed someone like that I'd think they were fake, and possibly even hiding anything. Plus, I'm really straightforward, and there's no point trying to hide that in an interview. If it's going to be a problem then I'm not a match for the employer, and it's best for both of us to find that out ASAP. -dave /*=== VegGuide.Orgwww.BookIRead.com Your guide to all that's veg. My book blog ===*/
Re: I value my freedom more than almost anything... except duckets
On Nov 25, 2006, at 10:02 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: I don't think you need to be unremittingly positive. [...] It should probably really be don't be a jerk, but for most people that's too complicated so the generic advice ends up as don't talk smack about former employers. Smart people can pick up specific technical skills pretty fast, but if they are hard or unpleasant to work with all bets are off. - ask -- http://develooper.com/ - http://askask.com/
Re: I value my freedom more than almost anything... except duckets
On Nov 23, 2006, at 11:17, Dave Rolsky wrote: I know the advice of never talk smack about former employers, but I call BS on that. I've been looking for a new job, and the main reason is that I really dislike my current position, and I blame that on the employer. I've talked about this, and the specific issues I have, in my interviews, and I've gotten job offers from places where I did this. How you express it (and maybe your history or lack of history with that sort of issues) makes all the difference... - ask -- http://develooper.com/ - http://askask.com/
Re: I value my freedom more than almost anything... except duckets
Terrence == Terrence Brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrence I am willing to cover my condo lease while I work elsewhere to get Terrence away from my current employer's repeated attempts to police the Terrence employees like a bunch of kindergartners. Do you realize you probably just said more about you than about your employer? Good luck getting a job from anyone who reads/googles this list now. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 merlyn@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: I value my freedom more than almost anything... except duckets
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Terrence == Terrence Brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrence I am willing to cover my condo lease while I work elsewhere to get Terrence away from my current employer's repeated attempts to police the Terrence employees like a bunch of kindergartners. Do you realize you probably just said more about you than about your employer? Good luck getting a job from anyone who reads/googles this list now. I know the advice of never talk smack about former employers, but I call BS on that. I've been looking for a new job, and the main reason is that I really dislike my current position, and I blame that on the employer. I've talked about this, and the specific issues I have, in my interviews, and I've gotten job offers from places where I did this. -dave /*=== VegGuide.Orgwww.BookIRead.com Your guide to all that's veg. My book blog ===*/
