Re: [josm-dev] JOSM-Tested

2010-06-13 Thread Matthias Julius
Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de writes: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Matthias Julius wrote: It might be a good idea to declare a feature and string freeze and issue a call for translation updates for a few days before each testing release. This would give translators a chance to catch up.

Re: [josm-dev] JOSM-Tested

2010-06-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matthias Julius wrote: We don't really have to stop development, but maybe we can restrain from introducing new features for a few days. Bug fixes are always welcome as long as they don't change translated strings. Developers must never be held back from doing what they have to do by

Re: [josm-dev] JOSM-Tested

2010-06-13 Thread Matthias Julius
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org writes: Hi, Matthias Julius wrote: We don't really have to stop development, but maybe we can restrain from introducing new features for a few days. Bug fixes are always welcome as long as they don't change translated strings. Developers must never be

Re: [josm-dev] JOSM-Tested

2010-06-13 Thread Russ Nelson
Matthias Julius writes: I am not saying we should hold development until all translations are complete. I would just like to give translators a chance to get their translation into a released JOSM. JOSM has never been released. Or, to put it another way, the JOSM release process is

Re: [josm-dev] JOSM-Tested

2010-06-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Russ Nelson wrote: Or, to put it another way, the JOSM release process is broken. JOSM is never released. People are simply told that a certain SVN version is better than other versions, and that version gets compiled for them. That's IT. As a former release manager for several

Re: [josm-dev] JOSM-Tested

2010-06-13 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'm not too much into how Debian/Ubuntu work but don't they have the concept of a package maintainer who is usually not part of the software project in question, but just decides which version of the software he packages with which version of the

Re: [josm-dev] JOSM-Tested

2010-06-13 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010, Russ Nelson wrote: This works. It's a pain, but it works. You have to have somebody who acts as a release manager. They have to be willing to prod people into action, to follow up, to make the announcements everywhere, to check and double-check. If you don't do this,

Re: [josm-dev] JOSM-Tested

2010-06-13 Thread Russ Nelson
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason writes: I think JOSM's release process is awesome. Projects like JOSM that do monthly releases tend to constantly keep the code in what's basically a ready-to-release state. I actually don't use the releases, I just track trunk. And how was trunk for you when undo

Re: [josm-dev] JOSM-Tested

2010-06-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.06.2010 00:45, schrieb Russ Nelson: Dirk Stöcker writes: Everything you tell in your mail tells me several things: a) You have absolutely no knowledge of JOSM release process There IS NO RELEASE PROCESS. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You don't do releases. You just