Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-26 Thread Klaus Dietrich
am 26.03.2010 01:41, schrieb Anthony: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:50:23 -0400, Anthony wrote: In OSM, the way which is tagged highway represents the physical road, right? Centerlines, actually. What centerline? The

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-26 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Klaus Dietrich kl...@gmx.de wrote: am 26.03.2010 01:41, schrieb Anthony: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:50:23 -0400, Anthony wrote: In OSM, the way which is tagged highway represents the

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-26 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:57:34 +0200, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 3. Draw roads as areas, either re-using the nodes of the adjoining landuse areas or using a multipolygon relation for landuse areas and road area (so they can share the border way which would remain untagged).

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-21 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Sat, 20 Mar 2010, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:23:54 +0100, Dirk Stöcker wrote: Mapping also means generalizing. This means you do NOT map what is EXACTLY on the ground, but you map what it means and is sensible. Art generalizes. Cartography is a science. Well, than I'm

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:09:43 -0400, Anthony wrote: When I lived in New Jersey it was the same way, and I'd imagine it's the same way in most of the United States. I'd say more research is needed before we call that conclusive. At least in Oregon and Washington, street boundaries often extend

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:09:43 -0400, Anthony wrote: When I lived in New Jersey it was the same way, and I'd imagine it's the same way in most of the United States. I'd say more research is needed before we call that

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:23:54 +0100, Dirk Stöcker wrote: Mapping also means generalizing. This means you do NOT map what is EXACTLY on the ground, but you map what it means and is sensible. Art generalizes. Cartography is a science. ___ josm-dev

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-20 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: If you go the absurdist route, maybe. If you want to map the landuse of the right-of-way, how about landuse=highway? This has already been

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-06 Thread Paul Johnson
Pieren wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Teemu Koskinen teemu.koski...@mbnet.fiwrote: Definitely not, IMO the warning should be elevated to an error, when dealing with wide linear features (roads, rivers, etc.). If you go that way, drawing a road or a river with a polyline should

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-06 Thread Pieren
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: If you go the absurdist route, maybe. If you want to map the landuse of the right-of-way, how about landuse=highway? This has already been proposed. But until everyone is drawing a polygon for the road, we have to

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-05 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:29:20 +0200, Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Marko Mäkelä wrote: +1. Some days ago, I came across a mkgmap warning for a dead-end oneway in a residential area that was riddled with landuse polygons that shared points with ways. It

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-05 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Teemu Koskinen wrote: The method to leave a little space beside the road is broken by design and as geodesy is my profession I have the little advantage that map making is a part of my profession. Databases where one feature did not directly join with the next one cause

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-04 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-03-03 14:31, Richard Welty wrote: On 3/3/10 4:29 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Alan Mintz wrote: A similar problem exists with some landuse=* ways that people have glued to roads. I'd call that a bit of an error: Clearly that landuse doesn't continue all the way out to the street

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-04 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/4/10 11:54 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-03-03 14:31, Richard Welty wrote: On 3/3/10 4:29 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Alan Mintz wrote: A similar problem exists with some landuse=* ways that people have glued to roads. I'd call that a bit of an error: Clearly that

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-04 Thread colliar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Richard Welty schrieb: On 3/4/10 11:54 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-03-03 14:31, Richard Welty wrote: From a technical standpoint, the land parcels do indeed usually extend out to the centerline of the roadway, but an easement is granted

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-04 Thread Marko Mäkelä
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 06:39:34PM +0100, colliar wrote: Richard Welty schrieb: On 3/4/10 11:54 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-03-03 14:31, Richard Welty wrote: From a technical standpoint, the land parcels do indeed usually extend out to the centerline of the roadway, but an

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-04 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-03-04 09:10, Richard Welty wrote: On 3/4/10 11:54 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: From a technical standpoint, the land parcels do indeed usually extend out to the centerline of the roadway, but an easement is granted to the city/county/state for the road, utilities, etc., and the area within

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/3/10 4:29 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Alan Mintz wrote: A similar problem exists with some landuse=* ways that people have glued to roads. I'd call that a bit of an error: Clearly that landuse doesn't continue all the way out to the street centerline. but for people using

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-03 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:31:32 +0200, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 3/3/10 4:29 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Alan Mintz wrote: A similar problem exists with some landuse=* ways that people have glued to roads. I'd call that a bit of an error: Clearly that landuse doesn't

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-03-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/3/10 5:43 PM, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:31:32 +0200, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: but for people using josm w/the validator who are not aware of the issue, they are told that the duplicate nodes are an error, and there's a convenient fix button

[josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-02-23 Thread Matthias Julius
The Join Node to Way command currently inserts the node into all way segments within snap distance unless the node is already part of the way segment or the way segments are consecutive. This has the potential of producing self-intersecting ways by either joining a node to a way it is already

Re: [josm-dev] self-intersecting ways

2010-02-23 Thread Matthias Julius
Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net writes: At 2010-02-23 09:41, Matthias Julius wrote: ... I am wondering whether JOSM should actively support the creation of self-intersecting ways or whether the Join Node to Way command should only join a node to ways it is not already member of. Based