[josm-dev] Attaching to JOSM's log4j
Good mornig everybody, I already searched other plugins but didn't find an hint, how I can add my logger to JOSMs internal log4j Appender? greets Matthias ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] OpenStreetBugs: copy string from comment possible?
Hi, while committing corrections recently, I wondered if the OSB plugin provides no way to extract or copy the comment string since someone registering that concerning bug -a missing street name- must have seen any sense in commenting the formerly missing information to OSB rather than adding a road's name tag.. anyway, I had to retype it, which isn't that fail-safe. cheers, klaus ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Cancel while downloading relations
I downloaded a relation which contains a lot of relations. So I selected them all and did download members. These were some 140 relations. The downloading went fast until all of a sudden it stopped. This was after about 84 relations. So I pressed cancel, expecting the downloaded relations to be in JOSM. Much to my surprise they weren't. Is there a technical reason for JOSM to discard already downloaded relations when you press cancel? I would think that there is no difference with getting them one at a time, it's only a faster way of downloading more relations. If there is no technical reason, then I'm going to enter this is a bug. Regards, Maarten ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Cancel while downloading relations
Maarten Deen wrote: I downloaded a relation which contains a lot of relations. So I selected them all and did download members. These were some 140 relations. The downloading went fast until all of a sudden it stopped. This was after about 84 relations. So I pressed cancel, expecting the downloaded relations to be in JOSM. Much to my surprise they weren't. Is there a technical reason for JOSM to discard already downloaded relations when you press cancel? I would think that there is no difference with getting them one at a time, it's only a faster way of downloading more relations. If there is no technical reason, then I'm going to enter this is a bug. Minor issues like this should be posted to the bug tracker directly. The mailing list is more for meta discussion and if you like to reach a wider audience. Anyway, thanks for reporting it. We rely on you power users to find the bugs. :) Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Hi, who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 19:52, Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com wrote: who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. a reply-to sent directly to the user is there just to prevent somebody sending a personal mail to the whole list. any sufficiently advanced mailer has a reply to all button. /me is not the list owner here. -- -S ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Am 19.08.2010 19:57, schrieb Simone Cortesi: a reply-to sent directly to the user is there just to prevent somebody sending a personal mail to the whole list. any sufficiently advanced mailer has a reply to all button. +1 Thunderbird has a Reply to list button. This is active when it finds some mailing list headers. A Reply-To: header makes it difficult to reply to the author. Especially the subscribers of a developers' mailing list should know how to use (and configure) their MUA. Bodo ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Bodo Meissner wrote: Am 19.08.2010 19:57, schrieb Simone Cortesi: a reply-to sent directly to the user is there just to prevent somebody sending a personal mail to the whole list. any sufficiently advanced mailer has a reply to all button. +1 Thunderbird has a Reply to list button. This is active when it finds some mailing list headers. A Reply-To: header makes it difficult to reply to the author. Especially the subscribers of a developers' mailing list should know how to use (and configure) their MUA. Mine hasn't. Maybe I should update... Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Sebastian Klein schrieb: Bodo Meissner wrote: Thunderbird has a Reply to list button. This is active when it finds some mailing list headers. A Reply-To: header makes it difficult to reply to the author. Especially the subscribers of a developers' mailing list should know how to use (and configure) their MUA. Mine hasn't. Maybe I should update... There's an extension for TB 2 which adds a toolbar button for replying to the mailing list. You can get it here: http://www.juergen-ernst.de/addons/replytolist.html Greets, Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 07:52:38PM +0200, Sebastian Klein wrote: Hi, who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Am 19.08.2010 19:57, schrieb Simone Cortesi: a reply-to sent directly to the user is there just to prevent somebody sending a personal mail to the whole list. Because of the way most OSM lists are set up, I accidentally sent a personal email to the whole list back when I was starting... A Reply-To: header makes it difficult to reply to the author. That is the odd case. 95% of the time it is appropriate to reply to the list to share the knowledge. Especially the subscribers of a developers' mailing list should know how to use (and configure) their MUA. Most popular MUAs have no special handling for the case of reply-to-list. I know the list setup won't change, but I thought I'd add my opinion. g ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:52:38 +0200, Sebastian Klein wrote: Hi, who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. Reply-To: is a human-only header, to indicate where replies to the author should go, not where replies to the list should go. Mailing lists are supposed to set List-Id to indicate the mailing list reply address, which this one does. Modern mailers (save for gmail, which Google would prefer you use Google Groups for such use) have Reply-to-List. All of OSM's lists are also carried on gmane.org as gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.* I suggest you investigate your options rather than expecting the lists to do something that doesn't comply with accepted best practices. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:57:04 +0200, Simone Cortesi wrote: a reply-to sent directly to the user is there just to prevent somebody sending a personal mail to the whole list. any sufficiently advanced mailer has a reply to all button. People who are reading the list don't need two copies of replies. Reply- to-All is not the function you are looking for. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:52:38 +0200, Sebastian Klein wrote: Hi, who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. Reply-To: is a human-only header, to indicate where replies to the author should go, not where replies to the list should go. Mailing lists are supposed to set List-Id to indicate the mailing list reply address, which this one does. Modern mailers (save for gmail, which Google would prefer you use Google Groups for such use) have Reply-to-List. All of OSM's lists are also carried on gmane.org as gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.* Not the ones I would be interested in: HOT, legal-general, osmf-talk, potlatch-dev, ... I suggest you investigate your options rather than expecting the lists to do something that doesn't comply with accepted best practices. Alright, I got it... How comes talk-de is configured like this when it is so absolutely dreadful? I think now I found the perfect solution: Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V. ;) Sorry for being a little off topic, Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Add nodes and ways via remoteControl
Bodo Meissner wrote: In the source code you can find this syntax for the HTTP request to add a node: GET /add_node?lon=...lat=... I know... But is there a reason it's not documented? Maybe in some cases this function could harm and damage data? Or some malicious websites adding random nodes? post this to IRC or a popular website and make fun of people having RemoteControl running img src=http://localhost:8111/add_node?lon=42.1lat=42.2; For added fun use random coordinates. The command is not only undocumented, but also the option to disable the command is not available in the config dialog. And default is enable... The more I think about it the stronger gets my urge to change this behavior... That's what I did now... 22702 Stephan ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On 8/19/10 7:46 PM, Sebastian Klein wrote: Alright, I got it... How comes talk-de is configured like this when it is so absolutely dreadful? um, because the admin for talk-de has never seen what happens when certain mail systems go bonkers? (this usually happens after close of business on friday nights, by the way). most experienced mail admins have seen awful things happen with reply-to set to the list, which is why we categorically refuse to do it. richard ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Florian Lohoff wrote: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-useful.html Off-topic can be fun ;) Honestly: With the reply-to list add-On for Thunderbird I don't miss anything. It should be included in standard distribution. Stephan ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Sebastian Klein writes: who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. Sigh. http://russnelson.com/rt.html -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Add nodes and ways via remoteControl
Am 20.08.2010 01:59, schrieb Stephan Knauss: The command is not only undocumented, but also the option to disable the command is not available in the config dialog. And default is enable... The more I think about it the stronger gets my urge to change this behavior... That's what I did now... 22702 I agree. My latest changes to implement remote control for wmsplugin made it impossible to change the default for an individual command. I think I should change this. I guess this will be an incompatible change, that means people who update only remotecontrol but not wmsplugin will probably get a hard error. I will also implement a function to request the API version of the remotecontrol plugin. So in future wmsplugin will not use remotecontrol if it is too new. Bodo ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Am 20.08.2010 02:17, schrieb Stephan Knauss: Honestly: With the reply-to list add-On for Thunderbird I don't miss anything. It should be included in standard distribution. Thunderbird 3.1.2 (don't know since when) has this ability by default. Bodo ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
