Re: [josm-dev] Common presets for OSM editors?
Daniel Koć wrote: as Potlatch is not in active development AFAIK Semi-active. I add a new feature when I see the need, but happily since it's not the default any more, the more excitable elements of our community can burn someone else out instead with their incessant STOP PEOPLE EDITING THE MAP THEY'LL ONLY BREAK IT. :| Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Common-presets-for-OSM-editors-tp5848580p5848586.html Sent from the JOSM Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Common presets for OSM editors?
Daniel Koć wrote: I semi-hate Flash ;-} as a web technology Try programming in the Flex framework and then you'll really hate it. ;) Being default or not and very active or just in relaxed state of development is not that important in this context - it's still one of the OSM editors people use, so I'd like to ask what you think about using the common set of presets in Potlatch? I'd be keen to do so. Last year P2 adopted the editor-imagery-index which Ian devised, and I don't see any reason not to do the same with tag presets. The one proviso is that sharing tag presets will be a bunch more complicated than sharing imagery sources, because they're typically not just presented as a simple list - there's a whole UI around them, and that UI differs from editor to editor. But that's no reason not to give it a go. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Common-presets-for-OSM-editors-tp5848580p5848588.html Sent from the JOSM Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Fwd: Filter Google from Imagery?
Stefan wrote: Judging by the amount of “I've just used google maps to ... diary posts on osm.org this *will* lead to trouble otherwise. Yep. Potlatch 1 always checked for the presence of 'google' in the tile URL and refused to display the tile if so. When Potlatch 2 was first released, we hadn't added this check (it was a TODO but I was also slightly intrigued to see what would happen). Sure enough, within about a week, people were jubilantly posting Potlatch 2 allows you to trace from Google! in the Russian OSM forum - and were doing so. When asked to stop, one typical response is I don't think it's illegal and I don't care. So I added the block back in, with some degree of reluctance but no great surprise. I think Frederik's right when he says Problem is, if it is *too* easy to load Google backgrounds, we (as a project) could be accused of knowingly inviting tracing from Google. We can't prevent it entirely, but if OSM is ever sued for infringement it will aid our case enormously to show that we have taken reasonable measures to discourage it. That's not too far-fetched: I believe OSMF did recently receive a cease and desist from one geodata supplier who believes their rights have been infringed. With that in mind, I believe the block in Potlatch is a responsible decision to help the future of the project, and it would gladden me to see JOSM do the same. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Fwd-Filter-Google-from-Imagery-tp5965655p5965776.html Sent from the JOSM Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Bing imagery
Hello all, == JOSM users: please read == Your developers are great people and I'm sure they will be making the imagery live when they humanly get a moment, no doubt within the next day or so. Please have faith in them and stop bugging them. And me. == JOSM developers: please read == Bing imagery is now live in Potlatch 2. Just because I've been asked about this five times already in the last 10 minutes by eager JOSM developers, here's some basics for you. Bear in mind that I don't have any official role with anyone except as P2 pointman, which simply means people have told me stuff. You are allowed to display Bing tiles for tracing _BUT_ a) You must display a Bing logo, hyperlinked to Bing maps b) You must display the credits for the imagery providers relevant to the current viewport c) You must display a link to the terms of use The difficult bit is b), and you may find out the imagery providers by one of two ways: i) Look at the headers served with the tile; match them up against a list of copyright strings provided by Bing. (I can't give you that list. Maybe Bing can.) ii) Use the Bing API provided for that purpose. I call http://dev.virtualearth.net/REST/v1/Imagery/Metadata/Aerial/0,0?zl=1mapVersion=v1key=[potlatch's_bing_maps_key]include=ImageryProvidersoutput=xml and that gives me everything. You can get a Bing maps key from www.bingmapsportal.com. I'd suggest you get one for JOSM. Feel free to use Potlatch 2 as a reference implementation for this. Most of the code is in http://trac.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24461/applications/editors/potlatch2 (and a few little layout tweaks subsequently). The Bing ToUs are a little awkwardly written in places. I'm going to be talking to their lawyer guy but two things you might query: - online editor does not exclude JOSM. I've had this confirmed by a guy at Microsoft, they're using it in the sense of edits an online resource rather than an app hosted only on a website - non-commercial editor means, AIUI (haven't confirmed this), they don't want it in saleable products like the ArcGIS extension. This might mean that your Bing config string has to sit in a non-GPLed file. Alternatively you could read non-commercial editor as source code must always be available for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, i.e. it's ok as long as you're not _only_ selling it (this would accord with a definition elsewhere in the ToU). I honestly don't know. I'll see if I can get this clarified. I believe Ian Dees is working on all of this so you shouldn't actually have to bother with anything yourself. But JOSM people keep asking me about it, so, well, here you go. cheers Richard ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] NCN 4 relation broken again
[posted to both talk-gb and josm-dev] I'm a bit exasperated to see that the relation for National Cycle Network route 4 has been broken _yet_ again: http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/2204 http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/2204/720 NCN 4 does of course have a pivotal place in popularising relations within OSM. :) Regular readers of talk-gb will recognise this as a frequent occurrence: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-February/005350.html It appears to happen with (old versions of?) JOSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3858883 (r2561) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4126873 (r2943) I don't want to get into an editor argument over this and I do recognise that the JOSM developers can't automatically push new versions to users, as Potlatch does. Nonetheless there is clearly an issue here. Could someone with more familiarity with JOSM than me confirm that this is no longer easy with current versions, and assuming that's the case, how do we get people to stop using old versions? cheers Richard ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Cloudmade's Editor
Frederik Ramm wrote: Let's get something like that for JOSM. Hope they haven't patented the thing ;-) Pfeh, it's ok for you guys, they chose a licence that's compatible with yours. Not something I can say. :( cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Cloudmade%27s-Editor-tp24648418p24650903.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - JOSM Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] New GPX implementation
Frederik Ramm wrote: But while we're at it, give us some reasons why we need to remain 1.5 compatible. I'm not in a hurry to switch to 1.6 but we'll do it at *some* point and I am interested in finding out what that point is going to be. 1.6 isn't available for PowerPC Macs, FWIW. Apple haven't made a PPC Mac since 2006. I still use PPC for both my main machines (but then I'm not a JOSM user so that may be moot). cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-GPX-implementation-tp23330999p23400671.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - JOSM Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Commit message not empty
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: why is it crucial to the concept of Potlatch to upload every modification directly and just-in-time? Wouldn't it be suitable as well to have an upload-button and just upload changes made on explicit request? See my other message: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2009-April/002901.html cheers Richard ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Commit message not empty
Ulf Lamping wrote: Well, to be honest I'm not convinced that conflict management is that important. I got only two or three conflicts in my 2-3 OSM years and I have edited the OSM data a lot (in Nürnberg, where other mappers are also active). That means roughly 1 conflict per year for me. Of course, your mileage may vary. I admit I am thinking about a very, very basic edit-then-save option without significant conflict management, principally because editing very large relations with Potlatch can be rather difficult at the moment and I'd personally like the opportunity to edit them more easily. But it'll come with a health warning! cheers Richard ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Commit message not empty
Matt Amos wrote: of course, if what you meant was that because you write the potlatch api you can reach into the guts of the database and fiddle with changesets after they're closed... well... :-P Don't get too excited. I can commit whatever evil stuff I like, but Tom has the final say over whether it's deployed... cheers Richard ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
