Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts 2

Hello, All the conflicts in josm and SVN-plugins are fixed. The 4 external plugins very likely will stop working with tomorrows josm. I hope the authors will update them. Until next tested there is still time to improve the shortcuts by exchanging them between the different plugins. Ciao -

[josm-dev] Shortcuts 2

Hello, the conflicts on [http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/DevelopersGuide/ShortcutsList] are down to 10 in P, R and T namespace. Any suggestions to fix the remaining ones are welcome, as well as ideas where the shortcut assignments don't reflect the real importance of functions. Supply idea

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Sat, 18 Feb 2012, Paul Hartmann wrote: Wow, there are a lot of changes [1]. It's great we finally got rid of these strange groups and use shift, ctrl & alt directly. In the preferences there is a tab "read first". I think this tab can be moved to the help pages - it's nothing you absolutely m

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On 02/18/2012 10:19 AM, Dirk Stöcker wrote: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Ian Dees wrote: > >> I agree that JOSM core should get preference for plugin conflicts, but I >> think that if a user has explicitly set a key binding by unchecking the >> "Use Default" option, nothing but the user should change th

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Ian Dees wrote: I agree that JOSM core should get preference for plugin conflicts, but I think that if a user has explicitly set a key binding by unchecking the "Use Default" option, nothing but the user should change that key binding. For example, I explicitly set "W" to "D

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Dirk Stöcker wrote: > Hello, > > together with akks I developed an automatically generated shortcut > overview at http://josm.openstreetmap.de/**wiki/DevelopersGuide/** > ShortcutsList > > Every yello

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Paul Hartmann wrote: I agree, this is a bug. There can a long chain of remappings in case of a single conflict. One solution is to avoid conflicts altogether, but this is impossible: The user can change a shortcut and install a plugin afterwards that uses the supposedly free

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On 02/17/2012 02:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2012/2/15 Dirk Stöcker : >> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> this rant, then from someone beeing not even a code contributor, but I >>> really suffered hard from the recent change of shortcut "w" (before >>> buildings plugin, I

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Pieren wrote: If we reserve a small pool, this won't be enough, so who decides which plugin is more important? That's the idea. It can be enough because nobody installs all plugins but only a few of them. Which is 100% wrong. There are a lot of persons, who simply instal

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: yes, I know this, but it never worked well for me. As soon as you start to make your own shortcuts (or by the time a core function or plugin (different to the function you assigned the shortcut to) decides to use this shortcut as well) you will get

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Paul Hartmann wrote: - let plugins ask the user if he wants to keep the current shortcuts or use the old ones in case of conflicts. Depends on the implementation, but this could work. It should only ask when shortcuts are affected that actually have been used at least once

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012/2/15 Dirk Stöcker : > On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> this rant, then from someone beeing not even a code contributor, but I >> really suffered hard from the recent change of shortcut "w" (before >> buildings plugin, I use this VERY often, now "refine way", which I >> never

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012/2/17 Pieren : > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Paul Hartmann > wrote: > >> If we reserve a small pool, this won't be enough, so who decides which >> plugin is more important? > > That's the idea. It can be enough because nobody installs all plugins > but only a few of them. But all mappe

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Paul Hartmann wrote: > If we reserve a small pool, this won't be enough, so who decides which > plugin is more important? That's the idea. It can be enough because nobody installs all plugins but only a few of them. Pieren __

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On 02/16/2012 07:58 PM, Pieren wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Paul Hartmann > wrote: >> >> As plugin developer, you can basically do what you like, also claim a >> shortcut like "I" for Utilsplugin2/IntersectedWaysAction. But you >> shouldn't be surprised if we need "I" for JOSM core s

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

For example, most drawing shortcuts - A, S, Q, X and W until recently - are situated in the left part of the keyboard. So mapping is one hand on those keys, and right hand on a mouse. Now those shortcuts have started to spread to all of the keyboard, dramatically increasing mileage of finger mo

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Ilya Zverev wrote: For example, most drawing shortcuts - A, S, Q, X and W until recently - are situated in the left part of the keyboard. So mapping is one hand on those keys, and right hand on a mouse. Now those shortcuts have started to spread to all of the keyboard, dra

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

D is free now - many thanks to Stoecker! If you do not want to use D for BuildingTools, I propose at least to leave it free for often used plugins - BuildingTools, for some countries - theis cadastre plugins, etc. It would be convenient because of reasons Ilya Zverev explain... __

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

D is free now - many thanks to Stoecker! If you do not want to use D for BuildingTools, I propose at least to leave it free for often used plugins - BuildingTools, for some countries - theis cadastre plugins, etc. It would be convenient because of reasons Ilya Zverev explain... __

[josm-dev] Shortcuts

Hi. The problem with shortcuts is that they all are in unordered mess. And the only way to fix that is to establish a policy on shortcuts. And not "we take whichever we like" policy. It's more like doing a proper user experience testing. For example, most drawing shortcuts - A, S, Q, X and W u

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

Hi, On 2012-02-16 19:58, Pieren wrote: If you read my OP, I'm not asking very much and could satisfy everybody: - keep one Function key and two or three main keys for plugins. - let plugins ask the user if he wants to keep the current shortcuts or use the old ones in case of conflicts. I like

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012/2/16 Paul Hartmann : > On 02/16/2012 06:08 PM, Alexei Kasatkin wrote: > Delete mode is really for very special tasks only. But just mapping D to > building tools is a bit drastic in my opinion. +1 for both. Actually in my mapping "normal" delete mode is also a rarely used feature (sometimes

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Paul Hartmann wrote: > > As plugin developer, you can basically do what you like, also claim a > shortcut like "I" for Utilsplugin2/IntersectedWaysAction. But you > shouldn't be surprised if we need "I" for JOSM core someday. > If you read my OP, I'm not asking ve

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On 02/15/2012 10:38 PM, Pieren wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Dirk Stöcker > wrote: > >> If the default would be to keep everything as is, we copy all these troubles >> a long time into the future. So we have one break now and later on wikis and >> forums on docs refer to one setup and

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

Hi! For the discussion on shortcuts of building tools and improve way accuracy, see [7184]. The idea was to make the mapping more intuitive (like Building, improveWayaccuracy) and still retain the accessibility with the left hand. I agree that the readjusting phase is irritating. I'd expect that

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

What do you think about including BuildingTools in core and giving it shortcut like D (builDing, to be easily accessible for fingers) ? Using direct D for delete is causing many problems with accidental deletion, sometimes user does not notice it The idea is not mine, it was proposed on Rusi

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Ilya Zverev wrote: *22.4% utilsplugin2 *24.2% PicLayer *33.2% buildings_tools So, by changing the only shortcut used in building_tools plugin, you've inconvienced "only" 33% of your users? Way to go! Good thing not all of them know about trac and this mailing list. An

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

Saying "at any time in the future, the josm core can take over existing plugins shortcuts because we find it so cute and plugins will have to accept it" (1) is another one. This is a kind of arrongance and disrespect of JOSM plugins users and devs. We did setup a shortcut collection page inclu

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, colliar wrote: together with akks I developed an automatically generated shortcut overview at http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/DevelopersGuide/ShortcutsList Thanks for your work, you two. Why do we have two shortcuts for draw action (A and N) ? Don't know. "N" is waste

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Pieren wrote: If the default would be to keep everything as is, we copy all these troubles a long time into the future. So we have one break now and later on wikis and forums on docs refer to one setup and not to a user specific setup. Fixing current conflicts is one point

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

Am 15.02.2012 09:24, schrieb Dirk Stöcker: > Hello, > > together with akks I developed an automatically generated shortcut > overview at http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/DevelopersGuide/ShortcutsList Thanks for your work, you two. Why do we have two shortcuts for draw action (A and N) ? Cheers

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Dirk Stöcker wrote: > If the default would be to keep everything as is, we copy all these troubles > a long time into the future. So we have one break now and later on wikis and > forums on docs refer to one setup and not to a user specific setup. Fixing current

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/2/15 Dirk Stöcker : What you want is the reverse and this means keeping old behaviour for everybody instead of moving into the future. what is the benefit of "moving into the future" by changing shortcuts? This is fighting against peoples h

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012/2/15 Dirk Stöcker : > What you want is the reverse and this means keeping old behaviour for > everybody instead of moving into the future. what is the benefit of "moving into the future" by changing shortcuts? This is fighting against peoples habits and ergo also bad for usability (of the ex

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Pieren wrote: As a plugin maintainer, I would like to see from the JOSM core the following points: - reserve some shortcuts for plugins 'forever'. It is unfair to allow plugins shortcuts and once users have their habits, force them to change just because core is suddenly usi

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Dirk Stöcker wrote: > Please help to fix these conflicts and deprecations. For conflicts, the core > should remain and plugins be changed. As a plugin maintainer, I would like to see from the JOSM core the following points: - reserve some shortcuts for plugins 'f

[josm-dev] Shortcuts

Hello, together with akks I developed an automatically generated shortcut overview at http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/DevelopersGuide/ShortcutsList Every yellow and red entry in this table should be fixed. The additional modifiers are deprecated. Instead proper groups (including ALT1 or ALT

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts (Was: New Tested)

Henry Loenwind wrote: On 26.08.2010 00:18, Sebastian Klein wrote: usability.> > Is this possible? I always thought that once a shortcut is defined it > can only be changed by the user. First one wins... The problem is, plugins are loaded first, so they win. :) Seems someone changed the shortc

Re: [josm-dev] shortcuts, wiki <->software

colliar wrote: > I noticed a difference between > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Menu/File > and JOSM-latest. > The shortcuts are once with "-" and once with "+". Which one should we use ? You may be the first noticing this. The Java tooltips show "-", so "-" it is... (You could provide

[josm-dev] shortcuts, wiki <->software

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi I noticed a difference between https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Menu/File and JOSM-latest. The shortcuts are once with "-" and once with "+". Which one should we use ? colliar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux