Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-08 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Frederik Ramm wrote: As the person who originally introduced the "use_last_as_default" functionality to JOSM I feel that I must side with Florian here. That functionality was introduced precisely for addresses - at the time we thought it would be putting people off if they

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-08 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Florian Lohoff wrote: Dirk - You are doing great work - i just tell you that changing a default may have huge impact on peoples workflow and this has bitten at least me and 3 collegues in my office who stopped adding addresses and updated josm every day to check whether bug w

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-07 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hola, On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 04:44:35PM +0200, Dirk Stöcker wrote: > And please note: > JOSM is no commercial software and we don't think about or document > every effect a change may have to users. If you want this you either > need to pay for it or start to help in development. Dirk - You are

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dirk Stöcker wrote: Release 4064 is used by approx 65% of people for about 2 months now and you are the first complaining about this issue, so it can't be that important. As the person who originally introduced the "use_last_as_default" functionality to JOSM I feel that I must side with

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-07 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Florian Lohoff wrote: Here in the office people were yelling at me for at least 4 days because editing became a PITA I'd assume you should use other presets which fit your workflow better. and it was simply an undocumented change in default behaviour.. Well, the previou

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-07 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Paul Hartmann wrote: > Thus we > have choosen the current variant which means a simple and understandable > rule: Only use defaults when not already tagged. My opinion: it worked well before. Which version? There was a change a lot of revisions ago in Rev 4050 (befor

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-07 Thread Paul Hartmann
On 07/07/2011 11:57 AM, Kay Drangmeister wrote: Am 07.07.2011, 10:04 Uhr, schrieb Dirk Stöcker : The "defaults" do not work. refusing an obvious choice of offering the last city/postcode/street the user entered is - oem - a strange decision. Thus we have choosen the current variant which m

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-07 Thread Kay Drangmeister
Am 07.07.2011, 10:04 Uhr, schrieb Dirk Stöcker : The "defaults" do not work. refusing an obvious choice of offering the last city/postcode/street the user entered is - oem - a strange decision. Thus we have choosen the current variant which means a simple and understandable rule: Only use d

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-07 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Florian Lohoff wrote: The "defaults" do not work. This is the same as when one of the elements would have the tag with a value. In this case defaults would not be applied as well. "Default" means "try to guess what user wants". Guessing should be used with care and this is w

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-07 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 11:46:27AM +0200, Dirk Stöcker wrote: > >Aeh - Okay - Somebody draws thousands of buildings and tags it with > >building=yes. Now i do site survey and add addresses - suddenly my > >presets dont work -> Bug ... > > The "defaults" do not work. This is the same as when one of

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-06 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Florian Lohoff wrote: JOSM distinguishes between untagged elements, which get defaults applied and already tagged elements, where defaults are not applied. This ensures that editing already tagged elements does not introduce unwanted tags. Aeh - Okay - Somebody draws thousa

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-06 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 11:36:05AM +0200, Dirk Stöcker wrote: > >>Bug or feature? > > Feature. > > JOSM distinguishes between untagged elements, which get defaults > applied and already tagged elements, where defaults are not applied. > This ensures that editing already tagged elements does not i

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-06 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Florian Lohoff wrote: Bug or feature? Feature. JOSM distinguishes between untagged elements, which get defaults applied and already tagged elements, where defaults are not applied. This ensures that editing already tagged elements does not introduce unwanted tags. Ciao

Re: [josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-06 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 05:02:25PM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: > Hi, > is there a rational behind the latest josm not taking over the last > addr mask settings if there is a "building=yes" on the way you try > to set the tags? > > E.g. edit a way with addr:street/city/postcode/country, press "App

[josm-dev] addr mask / last tag takeover / dysfunctional when building=yes on way

2011-07-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, is there a rational behind the latest josm not taking over the last addr mask settings if there is a "building=yes" on the way you try to set the tags? E.g. edit a way with addr:street/city/postcode/country, press "Apply", open an untagged way - edit address and all tags except housenumber ge