Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012-02-16 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Pieren wrote: If the default would be to keep everything as is, we copy all these troubles a long time into the future. So we have one break now and later on wikis and forums on docs refer to one setup and not to a user specific setup. Fixing current conflicts is one

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012-02-16 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, colliar wrote: together with akks I developed an automatically generated shortcut overview at http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/DevelopersGuide/ShortcutsList Thanks for your work, you two. Why do we have two shortcuts for draw action (A and N) ? Don't know. N is wasted

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012-02-16 Thread Ilya Zverev
Saying at any time in the future, the josm core can take over existing plugins shortcuts because we find it so cute and plugins will have to accept it (1) is another one. This is a kind of arrongance and disrespect of JOSM plugins users and devs. We did setup a shortcut collection page

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012-02-16 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Ilya Zverev wrote: *22.4% utilsplugin2 *24.2% PicLayer *33.2% buildings_tools So, by changing the only shortcut used in building_tools plugin, you've inconvienced only 33% of your users? Way to go! Good thing not all of them know about trac and this mailing list. And

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012-02-16 Thread Alexei Kasatkin
What do you think about including BuildingTools in core and giving it shortcut like D (builDing, to be easily accessible for fingers) ? Using direct D for delete is causing many problems with accidental deletion, sometimes user does not notice it The idea is not mine, it was proposed on

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012-02-16 Thread Paul Hartmann
On 02/15/2012 10:38 PM, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: If the default would be to keep everything as is, we copy all these troubles a long time into the future. So we have one break now and later on wikis and forums on docs

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012-02-16 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Paul Hartmann phaau...@googlemail.com wrote: As plugin developer, you can basically do what you like, also claim a shortcut like I for Utilsplugin2/IntersectedWaysAction. But you shouldn't be surprised if we need I for JOSM core someday. If you read my OP,

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012-02-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/2/16 Paul Hartmann phaau...@googlemail.com: On 02/16/2012 06:08 PM, Alexei Kasatkin wrote: Delete mode is really for very special tasks only. But just mapping D to building tools is a bit drastic in my opinion. +1 for both. Actually in my mapping normal delete mode is also a rarely used

[josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012-02-16 Thread Ilya Zverev
Hi. The problem with shortcuts is that they all are in unordered mess. And the only way to fix that is to establish a policy on shortcuts. And not we take whichever we like policy. It's more like doing a proper user experience testing. For example, most drawing shortcuts - A, S, Q, X and W

Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts

2012-02-16 Thread Alexei Kasatkin
D is free now - many thanks to Stoecker! If you do not want to use D for BuildingTools, I propose at least to leave it free for often used plugins - BuildingTools, for some countries - theis cadastre plugins, etc. It would be convenient because of reasons Ilya Zverev explain...