We don't have this problem. Are you sure your not opening a NEW window from
an existing window? If you do that in any browser it should maintain the
same session id. I think you are saying you start two different instances
of browsers and in IE your getting different sessions but in NS your
Forte is one full Java IDE that is free, although I find it a tad hard to
use and confusing. I use UltraEdit for $30 reg fee, which works quite well
for most things. Its by no means a graphical editor for JSP though. I have
yet to see any real drag/drop JSP ide that supports full JavaBean and
The best Java IDE I have seen so far is IntelliJ IDEA (www.intellij.com).
It simply kicks butt! It is an IDE that is built for developers. It has a
ton of features developers would want. It even works on JSP pages,
including package completion in useBean tags, scriplets, etc. It has
begin/end
I am a little confused. getParameter() returns a String. What is it that is
taking so long compared to what other statements? request.getParameter()
should be pretty constant, although I suppose it depends on the
implementation of the servlet engine. I would think all parameters are
placed in an
I hope you are joking. All I can say is this..you saw what the back then
US did when Japan hit Pearal Harbor. This is 10x worse than Pearal Harbor.
Imagine what is going to happen now. Not to mention the US has a lot of
allies ready and waiting this time. I think you are going to see a
Well
said.
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Server Pages specification and reference
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John
ThomasSent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:27 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: FW: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist
attacksHi All,
What exactly are you trying to do? If your trying to have Java call C, then
look up the use of JNI (Java Native Interface), where by you can call native
apis from Java and have them call into Java. Go to www.google.com, do a
search for Java JNI and what not, and you'll get plenty of links. Sun
Servlet Beans? Not sure what those are. JSP Beans and JavaBeans are one and
the same. On a JSP page, you use JavaBeans for various purposes. These are
the same JavaBean classes you use in servlets, or for whatever other purpose
you may need.
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Not sure if anyone answered, but it seems to me you are using an OLD xml
parser. Try grabbing the latest xerces.jar and overwrite the old one in the
tomcat directory.
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[mailto:[EMAIL
We run separate jvms for things like this. Simple applications that just
execute and check the time, then do something at that time. Run them as a
service.
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Orion supports Servlet 2.3, but not JSP 1.2..go figure. It may be a while
before JSP 1.2, Servlet 2.3 and EJB 2.0 are fully supported. I don't think
the specs are finalized yet either.
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Hi all,
Just wanted to see if anyone has developed an application that works and is
HttpSession fail-over safe. In other words, your web.xml has the
distributable/ tag, and you can successfully deploy the application into a
container and handle session level fail over so that if one of two (or
I forget..but I think you can not do this. The jsp:useBean.. is a
compile time feature..meaning when the JSP page is turned into a .class
file, this value turns into something like:
ClassName className = null;
if( session.getAttribute(className) == null )
{
className = Class.forName( ClassName
Not sure about the rest, but don't create a new object by throwing a NEW
one...just rethrow the one you caught (throw e)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian slezak
Sent: Saturday,
sounds like the jsp page is not flushing completely. Does your browser icon
keep on spinning as if its waiting for more to download? Perhaps the buffer
size is too big?
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reference [mailto:[EMAIL
Hi all,
I am deploying five web-apps in one application. I have a single /src dir
that is built into one app, then copied to the other four apps. All five
apps use the same classes. First, I am wondering if this makes sense to copy
the compiled classes to each web-app, or if there is a central
I have never looked into that to be honest. However, I know when I am on one
page, and I open a new window, it shows me the same page in the new window.
So I am not sure how the HTTP_REFERER would be blank...can you explain how
you think this might be?
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3 instances? First..unless you absolutely are stuck with JRun 2.3.3, at
least upgrade to JRun 3.1. Its much better! We had a few problems with
2.3.3. Second, if at all possible, look at using Apache/Tomcat, or if you
can spare $1500 for a server license, use Orion app server. At least you'll
be
I would agree. URL Rewriting is the only true way to prevent multiple users
behind a proxy from possibly sharing a session too.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gokul Singh
Sent:
Yes..with Servlet 2.3 you could have a filter before the request is handled,
and before the response goes back, that would check and/or set the flag,
and remove the flag on the way back. But then..that would tie you to
Servlet 2.3 spec..which I don't know of any server that fully implements it
Using JSP, you can set the response type to produce text/xml and it will
spit XML output of your JSP. This allows you to return dynamic XML. Also, if
your using XSL, you can use XML tags in the JSP, then request the JSP page
to spit out a full XML stream dynamically, so that you can then apply
Hi all,
I have developed a simple MVC framework, Theseus
(www.brainopolis.com/theseus). It works great for most things, and is very
small (15K jar file) and easy to use. Similar to Struts, but a bit different
in how you develop with it..same principal though.
Recently I am having the pleasure
I am
hoping the Java Faces stuff that Sun is working on will do exactly this. I think
the ideal Java IDE should support multiple different forms with the same set of
components. Then, you can drag and drop any component on a form, and the form is
either a java applet, SWING application, OR
Hi all,
I imagine this isn't too uncommon...I have every jsp page include the same
header and footer .inc file (I name them .inc to distinguish them as .inc
files, and so that .jsp does not force any JSP processing on them when
called upon). In the header, I use a table to break up the page into
Fellas..fellas..let me attempt to come to the
rescue..
As a
developer of an MVC framework ( Theseus at www.brainopolis.com/theseus ), I
have at least some insight into this. First off, the controller servlet, or for
that matter ANY servlet can indeed be a singleton..but why? It limits a
llows multiple requests from any
number of clients to all hit the same one single instance of a servlet class.
The reason this is optimal is only a single instance is
created.."
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, Augus
I have never seen a reason to implement the doGet() and doPost() in a JSP
page. After all, when the JSP engine converts it to a servlet, it usually
implements the service() method directly..in which case doGet() and doPost()
are of no use. Keep in mind that the service() method of a servlet
try
jar -cf file.war path
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pantarotto, Sio
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to create JAR file?
How can I
Id suggest finding out if Mac will have a 1.2 compatible JVM. It appears
after some searching there isn't a 1.2 compatible JVM for the Mac earlier
than OSX.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Thanks Hans. This is what I thought. I don't remember what the problem was
but I did something like this and ran into problems before. When only a
single app is deployed, or a Servlet 2.1 or earlier, it is perfectly ok to
use /images/path/image.gif, or /path/page.jsp. But when working with
Most likely you have to force WebLogic to use the /servlet/ path mapping.
Keep in mind the /servlet/ is a security issue because any servlet can be
invoked when used in this manner. In general, you should ALWAYS map your
servlets via paths or extension mapping and never use the /servlet/ call.
Sounds to me like some other part of your code is causing this problem..but
I can't be sure. As Sachin said..post the whole thing.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sachin S. Khanna
Hi,
We are workin on creating an intranet solution. We have an item table
with around 5000 records which will keep growing.
This table is accessed on almost all pages by all users. (approx 500
users)
Which is the most efficient way of providing the access.. considering
that response
Tomcat itself does not support EJB. You need something like JBoss or Orion
App server to utilize EJB. Tomcat is a servlet/jsp engine good to use for
web applications, but without EJB use. You'll have to set up an EJB server
to utilize EJB.
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Very simple. Store the result set in a bean with session scope. Then, all
pages accessed by the same one user during the same one session (most
servlet engines default 30 minutes of inactivity for a session before
expiring it) can access this list. If your not familiar with scope, its
handy to
Uhm..is it .war or .jar? Either way, try putting it in /WEB-INF/lib
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From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vasile Grigoras
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just a note: putValue and getValue calls are deprecated in Servlet 2.2. Use
setAttribute and getAttribute instead, unless your app needs to run in a
Servlet 2.1 or earlier container.
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From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
Another post said insert the expire header. This works sometimes. I have
seen it not work too..not sure why. Probably inproper use. However, I know
one thing we use and someone else told me about a long time ago. Its a bit
tedious, but for EVERY link on EVERY page, simply append a random number.
You can check out my framework as well. www.brainopolis.com/theseus. Its
very similar to STruts, only much smaller. Thus far the developers in the
list using it like it better because its much smaller but effectively does
the same thing, without some of the frills and whistles Struts offers. It's
There are a few things you can do. First, and not always recommended, is use
the onUnload= in the body tag of a JSP page. When the user leaves the
page (closed browser, goes to another site, etc) you can call a javascript
routine that can then call the server with a specific request. I am not
JSP allows you to put mostly HTML (or all HTML if you don't want any java in
it), then converts it to a servlet .java code, then compiles it. Thus, you
get the same performance as if you did it as a servlet. However, because a
servlet engine creates the .java source first, it can optimize the
You'll be happy to know that SUN has just created a JCP to standardize a
process that is from what I was told, identical to what your talking about.
While it will be some time before its ready, the framework SUN is putting
forth will allow tool vendors to all us developers to create SWING
Hi JSP enthusiasts,
Theseus is a MVC framework some of you may be interested in using. It is
very similar to Struts (Craig after all is my mentor!), but in some ways
different. While Struts provides a full-featured package, Theseus is very
small and not nearly as full of features. Its purpose is
First, do you have an app server that is J2EE compatible? If not, get Orion
at www.ironflare.com. Its free for all use except for production, where its
only $1500 per server. Its very easy to set up, cluster, and so on. It comes
with Hypersonic database which is good enough to use for testing
as a browser and does not have an active session
(which might even
cause your exception) and definately does not use the session the
browser created.
So your jsp should be able to 'work' sessionless.
regards,
janco
Kevin Duffey wrote:
For some reason, when a JSP page read in via code using
Hey there,
Anyone using J2EE, Servlets, JSP and so forth to create Web Services? I am
interested in learning more about this whole SOAP and WSDL stuff, and seeing
how it fits in with JSP, Servlets and so forth.
===
To
Not sure about iplanet, but you might be able to solve part of it by adding
another server (although this is certainly not the solution to why this is
happening). That would at least load-balance 1/2 the requests. This is
probably not a simple task however and will cost some money.
On the other
For some reason, when a JSP page read in via code using URLConnection (thus,
it acts the same as if a browser were to request the JSP page, therefore the
output read in is the processed HTML the JSP page creates), I can't seem to
get any run time or compile time exceptions inside of my code. The
not using cookies for session then right?
ie. you don't want to pass that stuff in as a cookie?
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Duffey
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:18 PM
Hahahahhaa..ROFL! You crack me up. Free tickets to JavaOne. Here..I'll send
you two I just paid $1500 each for..its on me! Have a great time!
Hahahahaha..
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
Hi all,
I am having a bit of a problem trying to get the exception thrown in a JSP
page that is being read in via code (instead of forwarded or redirected to).
I am doing this to use JSP to spit out dynamic XML (instead of HTML). I know
there are some taglibs that allow parts of a JSP page to be
There are numerous ways to implement this that I am sure of. Probably the
easiest is to keep a vector or hashtable of logged in users in the
application scope (ServletContext). Upon logging in, check this first for
the user/pass being logged in. If it exists, check the last login time. If
it was
Someone else reported the problem already. You are calling a method in a
bean but the response is never set in the bean, therefore when you access
your RES variable, its null. Also, why do you want to set a cookie? Every
engine does this for you automatically unless you have a .92 JSP engine or
Actually..i don't think it was that stupid of a question either..I agree its
not on topic in a JSP list, but its definitely not a stupid question.
Infact..I would like to know the answer. I hope I don't get flamed by that
same person, cause I know I am not stupid. ;)
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I am not in Delhi..but why does it matter..unless you are expecting room
service help? ;) Why not post your problems and see if anyone can help.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Manish
Its an extension that is mapped to the ActionServlet in struts. In your
web.xml in WEB-INF, you would map a servlet extension to ActionServlet, then
any time in that app a form was submited or an href link had anything.do in
it, it would all be sent to the one servlet.
-Original
As someone else said..are you looking for JSP/Servlet engine only? Or do you
plan to move to EJB as well? I think overall Orion app server
(www.orionserver.com) is a hard to beat product given its performance,
price, ease of setting up, full J2EE implementation, and so on. Resin is a
very good
familiar with BEA WebLogic Server?
www.bea.com
They are coming over for a demo soon. . .would like to hear your thoughts.
Thanks,
DM
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From: Kevin Duffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re
Struts is a great MVC engine to use. I used Struts for a while, but then
wrote my own small framework for our specific needs which entails automatic
JSP-XML output and XSL rendering of HTML. Also, we didn't need alot of the
Struts features. But Struts is a great package, especially for
I don't know to be honest..my disgruntlement with them is that IBM is so up
on the java bandwagon, but was behind. I am glad to see a fix came out that
allows them to work with JSP 1.1/Servlet 2.2. Now that Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2
is soon to be released, I wonder if it will be 2 years before they add
For just a servlet engine I would look at JRun 3.0 Professional (or Advanced
if you want front-end clustering for fail-over scalability). Its not cheap,
but it does the job.
A good "cheaper" one is Resin, and also ServletExec.
I would really look at using Tomcat though..as its free open-source
Someone else replied on how to do the thread. As for sending data to a JSP
page, you can't do that unless you use JavaScript to reload the page every 5
minutes (which would then defeat the purpose for a query in a thread..the
page upon reload would do this task), or use an applet and pass the
JSP timeout? A JSP page is in the same Session as the servlet engine. In
JRun 2.3.3, you have to run the admin control panel, and I forget where, but
it is specified in milliseconds, so do the math of 1000 * 60 seconds * 60
minutes = value to enter. The normal is 30 minute timeout, so that
Why would it need to be J2EE compliant? If you want to use the IDE, one of
two things come to mind. First, see if you can create your own "command"
scripts that can execute a command line tool. If so, I would then set up say
F7 or something to build your code, and have it use ANT 1.2 (free 100%
I am not aware of a Java specific mailing list. JSP, Servlets, XML maybe,
but not JAVA specific questions, otherwise I would be happy to ask questions
there too. However, there are probably several hundred, if not thousand
developers that subscribe to this list and we all have varying degrees of
Hi all,
I am still confused on an issue with relative and absolute paths when
dealing with Servlet 2.2 .war paths. For example, in one applicatoin I
deploy only a single web-app, and in my paths, such as a
href="/path/page.jsp" I know this is a relative path to the root web-app.
However, when
Here ya go:
public class bean1
{
}
public class bean2
{
private HttpSession session = null;
public bean2()
{
}
public init(HttpSession session)
{
this.session = session;
}
public String getBean1SessionName()
{
Bean1 b1 = (Bean1) session.getAttribute("Bean1Name");
Hey all,
Anybody know if there is a library for Java/J2EE sites to look up zip codes,
distance between them, get all zipcodes from one with a radius, etc? I seem
to only find COM or CGI, and a few command line applications.
Thanks.
You can add a listener and bind it to the HttpSession, so that if a session
ends, it triggers the listener methods. I forget what they are called, but
look in the Servlet API for HttpSessionBindingListener or something like
that. They are pretty easy to add.
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I also have one, similar to Struts. I am just about done adding in an xsl
controller that automatically takes the output of jsp as xml, and applies
and xsl to it to send back transformed html. Its a very small streamlined
mvc framework that does similar functionality to Struts. I suggest using
Just wondering..I'll check the web too, but off the top of anyone's head..is
there a mailing list that aides in XML/XSL? I post here because I am doing
JSP - XML output, then applying XSL to it, but I am getting some funky
errors.
Thanks.
The only way I can think of is by having every link of every page returned
apply some sort of random number. Something like:
a href="/path/page.jsp?number=%= bean.getRandomNumber() %"click/a in a
jsp page.
That way, every link on every request has a different URL each time its
returned. But, I
I am looking for a little bit of help on the process of using JSP to output
XML (so you can build XML output dynamically), and then applying XSL to that
output to render HTML (or other formats..such as WML, PDF, RTF, etc) and
send the response back to the browser. I would appreciate any pointers,
Hi there,
this was as i was telling you...use a JSP custom tag that can include XML
code.
you can generate it dynamically from the data of your JavaBean.
in the implementation of your tag you will process it with XML...
Well..one of the problems is that we are still using JRun 2.3.3, which
May I suggest something..use WebLogic 6. It is much better than 5.1. Lots of
fixes, xml based config files, more J2EE compliant. If you have the
opportunity, move up to 6.0, and leave 5.1 behind. It will save you lots of
problems and headaches down the road (hell..even immediately).
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autorespone=none setup
via messages rules or wherever. Ohh no - just because I posted this
message - I'll receive autoresponses from all the lazy people still on
vacation. CRAP!
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From: "Kevin Duffey" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Without trying to be rude, this is a mailing list about JavaServer Pages,
not basic java programming. I fail to see how your question even remotely
involves JSP in any manner. Try a Java forum, a few good books, or possibly
a chat channel on Java.
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Is it me..or am I just seeing more and more of these responses in the list
or directed at my email? Is there any reason its necessary for people to
have email sent to a list, return those people out of office replies? I
really could care less who is gone. What bothers me is that every time I
send
If your doing a servlet 2.2 web-app in a J2EE Servlet 2.2 engine, put it in
web.xml of the web-app. Its a standard J2EE (Servlet 2.2) tag in the web.xml
file. I think it is session-config time-out="xxx" / where xxx is the
number of minutes. I can't remeber for sure.
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How exactly are you moving from one screen to the next? Are you saying on
screen 1, when submit is clicked, it goes to the server, does its thing,
then forwards (RequestDispatcher) to the next JSP page, which shows part of
JSP 1? Or you response.sendRedirect() to the next JSP page? Can you give a
Hi,
What servlet engine do you use - Tomcat - do you ? It's well
known that
servlet reloading doesn't work there very well. On the
contrary, one of
the fastest servlet engine - Resin (http://www.caucho.com) -
can reload
*any* resource a web application uses - JSP, servlets, helper
Yes. Use JavaScript.
I assume your talking about the Struts framework..actions?
input type="submit" onclick="this.form.action='/path.do'" value="Action 1"
input type="submit" onclick="this.form.action='/path2.do'" value="Action
2"
That should do it. You can also pass a COMMAND name. I wrote
If your talking about Servlet 2.2 context, you can not track sessions across
separate web-app contexts. Each web-app gets its own context that all
servlets, jsps, etc share. I think the only way you can share information
across many contexts is using jndi, which I think is a global JVM context.
Craig..can't you use the javax.jndi.naming or something like that? I was
messing around with that yesterday a bit, but don't have much knowledge on
it yet. Someone on the Orion team mentioned that its possible to share
global data across web-app contexts using that mechanism, or something like
Correct..get rid of the / in the first line and you'll be fine.
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From: Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Problem with jsp:param tag
I think the first line of code not quite right the "/"
Try application.getRequestDispatcher(URL).forward(request,response);
or
jsp:forward page="/path/page.jsp" /
Also, you may want to do a
%@ page flush="false" / at the top of a page using the redirect as well as
pages being used by the redirect. Look at the JSP Syntax Card, at
java.sun.com (or
No. JavaScript is client side..it operates in the web browser. JSP is a
server-side technology. You can use scriplets to return dynamic content,
including dynamic inline JavaScript code, but you can't use JSP pages once
the response (the JSP page contents) has been sent back to the browser. Only
No..the request object uses memory only during its scope, a single request.
Once the response goes back, the thread is freed up as well as any data
(objects) created during that request. HOWEVER, there is one instance as far
as I know..that can keep objects around after a request. The only thing
d I find information on this? Do I have to use this multipart
request class?
thanks
Kevin Duffey wrote:
Hi,
The problem lies in how its encoded. Because your uploading a
file WITH a
form, you'll have to manually get the fields.
request.getParameter() doesn't
work in getting fo
Just wanted to say that I have been using struts on our admin site thus far
with very little problems. As far as performance, I have noticed a huge
increase in speed as far as when a form is submitted and the response is
returned. I can't pinpoint what to attribute this too, but it is impressive.
Maybe its not so bad. I don't know exactly how you are doing things, but
from the sounds of it, you could benefit a bit by restructuring along the
lines of front-tier / middle-tier architecture. We do this..even though we
are running all the code on one application server. We have our action
I assume ReatilerDetails is the javabean name? If so, it should work,
however, the * means ALL form elements will be populated if they have
corresponding setXXX methods. If you want only the one property, then use
the name of the element. jsp:setProperty name="ReailerDetails"
property="pageName"
Hi,
The problem lies in how its encoded. Because your uploading a file WITH a
form, you'll have to manually get the fields. request.getParameter() doesn't
work in getting form values if you use the enctype your using. So, if you
must upload a file WITH a form, you'll have to use a
go to www.javasoft.com, click on Products APIs, and select Java Server
Pages. There you will find info on JSP and the various differences.
Specifically get the PDF (or PostScript) downloads of the JSP 1.1 spec and I
think it lists the differences.
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From: A mailing
Hi all,
Our company is looking into using WebLogic Server 5.1. With that option,
they have a development suite called WebGain Studio from WebGain that looks
pretty kewl. It comes with Visual Cafe 4, DreamWeaver 3, etc. While thus far
I am not overly excited by Visual Cafe, I was looking forward
If money isn't an object, look at WebGain Studio. It has Visual Cafe 4,
DreamWeaver 3, StructureBuilder, WebLogic app server ( 1 connection license)
for $5000. The tools are well integrated including deployment to weblogic
server for EJB in the Visual Cafe ide, and you can build beans and taglibs
Just like to point out..doing it on a JSP page might cause an endless loop.
As it refreshes, it sees the header again and again each refresh. If you do
want to do this, I suggest putting a counter variable in the http session
and only refresh if it doesn't exist. The second time around it would
The browser doesn't understand it from what I can tell. I did this too and
had the same problem in JRUN, Resin and Orion. Generally you would have JSP
output XML so that you can feed that xml output to an XSLT engine which
would then translate it to HTML. Otherwise, your sending XML to the
Yep..that is how you would do it. Something like:
input type="text" name="SomeName" onfocus="some_javascript_routine()"
onblur="..." value="..."
I know onfocus is when the control gets keyboard focus..I thin the onblur=""
is the one where the control loses focus whether its a tab or a mouse
If this is your own tag-lib, did you make sure in your .tld file you are
allowing for processing of scriplets inside the tag parameters? If you don't
do that, it won't work.
also, you can use '' or "" in the tags.
Thanks for the advices from Flak DiNenno Xing guohong, but it still
doesn't
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