Re: [jug-discussion] Java is dead... Here we go again....

2008-12-10 Thread Richard Hightower
JRuby is cool. If I were going to use Ruby, it would most likely be Jruby. On 12/9/08 8:16 PM, Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Richard Hightower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now I will stick to Java and Groovy with glee in my heart that I can get paid

Re: [jug-discussion] JRuby vs. Groovy (was: Any News on the Holiday Party?)

2008-12-10 Thread Kit Plummer
Yes. As far as tooling goes...this is changing, sort of. There are new tools with Ruby/Rails support and Ruby-specific ones hitting the streets. I kind of appreciate the screencast phenomenon...but, I understand your point. That said there are very few Java libs that I've used

Re: [jug-discussion] Java is dead... Here we go again....

2008-12-10 Thread Todd Ellermann
PHP developers are Cool and happy too but I am not accusing them of having made a good engineering decision. Attempting to divert the ruby/groovy/java war to pick on the kid in the corner who is not here to defend himself. If you really want to explore some of the differences in these

Re: [jug-discussion] Java is dead... Here we go again....

2008-12-10 Thread Chad Woolley
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Richard Hightower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha. I am no troll. This is a Java list after all. I am quite un-trollish in saying that Java is not dead on a Java list and using evidence to support my assertion of the un-deadness of Java. Even though the list and

Re: [jug-discussion] Java is dead... Here we go again....

2008-12-10 Thread Chad Woolley
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Richard Hightower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JRuby is cool. If I were going to use Ruby, it would most likely be Jruby. You've [still] conveniently ignored my point about JRuby being able to take advantage of both the Java and Ruby ecosystems [as opposed to

Re: [jug-discussion] Feast at what time?

2008-12-10 Thread Chad Woolley
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what time do we meet at Feast on Tuesday? Unfortunately, I'll miss this. I'll be in San Francisco, writing Ruby ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

RE: [jug-discussion] JRuby vs. Groovy (was: Any News on the Holiday Party?)

2008-12-10 Thread Hollamon, Andrew
This attitude worries me when I see it amongst professional developers. Not depending on the internal implementation details of something is such a fundamental OO and CS tenant, that I cant believe people just accept it as okay. You should _never_ write code that depends on the deep dark

Re: [jug-discussion] Java is dead... Here we go again....

2008-12-10 Thread Chad Woolley
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Kit Plummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been my overwhelming experience that software engineers are very bad (for whatever reasons) at recognizing the hammer they are holding isn't the right one. I'd rather have a Golden Hammer than a Golden Salami...

Re: [jug-discussion] Java is dead... Here we go again....

2008-12-10 Thread Richard Hightower
Yes. Chad. That is very cool. Jython does the same for Python libs. It is pretty cool. On 12/10/08 9:37 AM, Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Richard Hightower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JRuby is cool. If I were going to use Ruby, it would most likely be

Re: [jug-discussion] Java is dead... Here we go again....

2008-12-10 Thread Chad Woolley
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Richard Hightower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just not such a big fan of the Java is dead stuff. Yes, but that part was essential to my goal of getting an interesting thread going on this mailing list ;)

Re: [jug-discussion] Java is dead... Here we go again....

2008-12-10 Thread Richard Hightower
Ic... I fell into your trap. At least I took Kit with me On 12/10/08 10:26 AM, Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Richard Hightower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just not such a big fan of the Java is dead stuff. Yes, but that part was essential to my