Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo

2006-11-13 Thread Chad Woolley

Yes, true OO nature of Ruby is nice - everything is an object -
operators, classes, class and instance methods.  I'd be interested to
see how Groovy compares in this area.  For example, how easy is it to
open up an existing third party class and add/override class methods.
Having done this in both Java and Ruby, there is no comparison.  Ruby
== a few lines of code and a require statement.  Java == use
Aspect-Oriented Programming, custom AOP classloader/compiler, etc.
Groovy == ???

On 11/10/06, Art Gramlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I actually prefer Ruby the language and I think it handles things
like meta-objects in a much better way.
It just seems that Groovy is closer than Java making it an easier
sell and less training.

On Nov 10, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Chad Woolley wrote:

 I'm not sure that Groovy is a better java integration choice.
 Assuming that both can be made to work equally well when compiling to
 bytecode and working with native java 3rd party libs, why not choose a
 fairly mature language that has widespread and growing popularity ,
 rather than something relatively obscure and not as mature?

 -- Chad

 On 11/10/06, Art Gramlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually, I'd say sun is endoring jruby more since they have hired
 the two main developers to work on it.
 Kinda funny since Groovy seems like a better java integration
 choice.  Now if they would just fix the major bugs and get a 1.0 out.

 On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Warner Onstine wrote:

 
  On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Chad Woolley wrote:
 
  Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing
  Groovy?  We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically
  viable solutions (like J2EE).
 
  Not necessarily groovy vs. anything, I want to learn alot of
  different techs and I have a specific project in mind for
 groovy ;-).
 
  -warner
 
 
  OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML.
  Haven't used it myself.
 
  -- Chad
 
  On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up
 to the
  top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-).
 
  -warner
 
  On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote:
 
   Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo?
  
   -- Randy
  
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo

2006-11-10 Thread Art Gramlich
Actually, I'd say sun is endoring jruby more since they have hired  
the two main developers to work on it.
Kinda funny since Groovy seems like a better java integration  
choice.  Now if they would just fix the major bugs and get a 1.0 out.


On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Warner Onstine wrote:



On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Chad Woolley wrote:


Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing
Groovy?  We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically
viable solutions (like J2EE).


Not necessarily groovy vs. anything, I want to learn alot of  
different techs and I have a specific project in mind for groovy ;-).


-warner



OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML.
Haven't used it myself.

-- Chad

On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the
top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-).

-warner

On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote:

 Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo?

 -- Randy



  
 
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RE: [jug-discussion] open laslo

2006-11-10 Thread Michael Oliver
Yes we are, but we find we can do most everything we want to do with dojo,
rico or Zapatec.

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Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo?

-- Randy



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Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo

2006-11-10 Thread Warner Onstine
Personally I don't care what Sun is supporting ;-), I just want to  
learn Groovy for one of my projects. I also want to learn Ruby (and  
RoR) but that's a different project that I've picked for that.


The whole JRuby thing is a little weird and Sun has officially stated  
that they are not supporting one over the other, but I say actions  
speak louder than words.


(and yes I just hijacked the thread with Chad's help)

-warner

On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Art Gramlich wrote:

Actually, I'd say sun is endoring jruby more since they have hired  
the two main developers to work on it.
Kinda funny since Groovy seems like a better java integration  
choice.  Now if they would just fix the major bugs and get a 1.0 out.


On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Warner Onstine wrote:



On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Chad Woolley wrote:


Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing
Groovy?  We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically
viable solutions (like J2EE).


Not necessarily groovy vs. anything, I want to learn alot of  
different techs and I have a specific project in mind for groovy ;-).


-warner



OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML.
Haven't used it myself.

-- Chad

On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to  
the

top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-).

-warner

On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote:

 Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo?

 -- Randy



  
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Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo

2006-11-10 Thread Chad Woolley

I'm not sure that Groovy is a better java integration choice.
Assuming that both can be made to work equally well when compiling to
bytecode and working with native java 3rd party libs, why not choose a
fairly mature language that has widespread and growing popularity ,
rather than something relatively obscure and not as mature?

-- Chad

On 11/10/06, Art Gramlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Actually, I'd say sun is endoring jruby more since they have hired
the two main developers to work on it.
Kinda funny since Groovy seems like a better java integration
choice.  Now if they would just fix the major bugs and get a 1.0 out.

On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Warner Onstine wrote:


 On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Chad Woolley wrote:

 Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing
 Groovy?  We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically
 viable solutions (like J2EE).

 Not necessarily groovy vs. anything, I want to learn alot of
 different techs and I have a specific project in mind for groovy ;-).

 -warner


 OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML.
 Haven't used it myself.

 -- Chad

 On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the
 top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-).

 -warner

 On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote:

  Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo?
 
  -- Randy
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo

2006-11-09 Thread Warner Onstine
I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the  
top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-).


-warner

On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote:


Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo?

-- Randy



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Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo

2006-11-09 Thread Chad Woolley

Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing
Groovy?  We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically
viable solutions (like J2EE).

OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML.
Haven't used it myself.

-- Chad

On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the
top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-).

-warner

On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote:

 Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo?

 -- Randy



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