Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo
Yes, true OO nature of Ruby is nice - everything is an object - operators, classes, class and instance methods. I'd be interested to see how Groovy compares in this area. For example, how easy is it to open up an existing third party class and add/override class methods. Having done this in both Java and Ruby, there is no comparison. Ruby == a few lines of code and a require statement. Java == use Aspect-Oriented Programming, custom AOP classloader/compiler, etc. Groovy == ??? On 11/10/06, Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I actually prefer Ruby the language and I think it handles things like meta-objects in a much better way. It just seems that Groovy is closer than Java making it an easier sell and less training. On Nov 10, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Chad Woolley wrote: > I'm not sure that Groovy is a better java integration choice. > Assuming that both can be made to work equally well when compiling to > bytecode and working with native java 3rd party libs, why not choose a > fairly mature language that has widespread and growing popularity , > rather than something relatively obscure and not as mature? > > -- Chad > > On 11/10/06, Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Actually, I'd say sun is endoring jruby more since they have hired >> the two main developers to work on it. >> Kinda funny since Groovy seems like a better java integration >> choice. Now if they would just fix the major bugs and get a 1.0 out. >> >> On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: >> >> > >> > On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Chad Woolley wrote: >> > >> >> Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing >> >> Groovy? We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically >> >> viable solutions (like J2EE). >> > >> > Not necessarily groovy vs. anything, I want to learn alot of >> > different techs and I have a specific project in mind for >> groovy ;-). >> > >> > -warner >> > >> >> >> >> OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML. >> >> Haven't used it myself. >> >> >> >> -- Chad >> >> >> >> On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up >> to the >> >>> top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-). >> >>> >> >>> -warner >> >>> >> >>> On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo? >> >>> > >> >>> > -- Randy >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >>> - >> >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> jug.org >> >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> jug.org >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> - >> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> jug.org >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> - >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> jug.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >> >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo
I actually prefer Ruby the language and I think it handles things like meta-objects in a much better way. It just seems that Groovy is closer than Java making it an easier sell and less training. On Nov 10, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Chad Woolley wrote: I'm not sure that Groovy is a better java integration choice. Assuming that both can be made to work equally well when compiling to bytecode and working with native java 3rd party libs, why not choose a fairly mature language that has widespread and growing popularity , rather than something relatively obscure and not as mature? -- Chad On 11/10/06, Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, I'd say sun is endoring jruby more since they have hired the two main developers to work on it. Kinda funny since Groovy seems like a better java integration choice. Now if they would just fix the major bugs and get a 1.0 out. On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: > > On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Chad Woolley wrote: > >> Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing >> Groovy? We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically >> viable solutions (like J2EE). > > Not necessarily groovy vs. anything, I want to learn alot of > different techs and I have a specific project in mind for groovy ;-). > > -warner > >> >> OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML. >> Haven't used it myself. >> >> -- Chad >> >> On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the >>> top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-). >>> >>> -warner >>> >>> On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote: >>> >>> > Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo? >>> > >>> > -- Randy >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> - >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jug.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> jug.org >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jug.org >>> >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jug.org >> >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo
I'm not sure that Groovy is a better java integration choice. Assuming that both can be made to work equally well when compiling to bytecode and working with native java 3rd party libs, why not choose a fairly mature language that has widespread and growing popularity , rather than something relatively obscure and not as mature? -- Chad On 11/10/06, Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, I'd say sun is endoring jruby more since they have hired the two main developers to work on it. Kinda funny since Groovy seems like a better java integration choice. Now if they would just fix the major bugs and get a 1.0 out. On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: > > On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Chad Woolley wrote: > >> Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing >> Groovy? We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically >> viable solutions (like J2EE). > > Not necessarily groovy vs. anything, I want to learn alot of > different techs and I have a specific project in mind for groovy ;-). > > -warner > >> >> OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML. >> Haven't used it myself. >> >> -- Chad >> >> On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the >>> top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-). >>> >>> -warner >>> >>> On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote: >>> >>> > Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo? >>> > >>> > -- Randy >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> - >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> jug.org >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo
Personally I don't care what Sun is supporting ;-), I just want to learn Groovy for one of my projects. I also want to learn Ruby (and RoR) but that's a different project that I've picked for that. The whole JRuby thing is a little weird and Sun has officially stated that they are not supporting one over the other, but I say actions speak louder than words. (and yes I just hijacked the thread with Chad's help) -warner On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Art Gramlich wrote: Actually, I'd say sun is endoring jruby more since they have hired the two main developers to work on it. Kinda funny since Groovy seems like a better java integration choice. Now if they would just fix the major bugs and get a 1.0 out. On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Chad Woolley wrote: Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing Groovy? We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically viable solutions (like J2EE). Not necessarily groovy vs. anything, I want to learn alot of different techs and I have a specific project in mind for groovy ;-). -warner OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML. Haven't used it myself. -- Chad On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-). -warner On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote: > Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo? > > -- Randy > > > > --- -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jug.org > > --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] open laslo
Yes we are, but we find we can do most everything we want to do with dojo, rico or Zapatec. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC POB 56112 Hill AFB, UT 84056 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: Randolph Kahle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: [jug-discussion] open laslo Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo? -- Randy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo
Actually, I'd say sun is endoring jruby more since they have hired the two main developers to work on it. Kinda funny since Groovy seems like a better java integration choice. Now if they would just fix the major bugs and get a 1.0 out. On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Chad Woolley wrote: Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing Groovy? We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically viable solutions (like J2EE). Not necessarily groovy vs. anything, I want to learn alot of different techs and I have a specific project in mind for groovy ;-). -warner OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML. Haven't used it myself. -- Chad On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-). -warner On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote: > Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo? > > -- Randy > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jug.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo
On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Chad Woolley wrote: Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing Groovy? We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically viable solutions (like J2EE). Not necessarily groovy vs. anything, I want to learn alot of different techs and I have a specific project in mind for groovy ;-). -warner OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML. Haven't used it myself. -- Chad On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-). -warner On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote: > Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo? > > -- Randy > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo
Why groovy vs. Jruby, other than the fact that Sun is endorsing Groovy? We all know that Sun only endorses usable and technically viable solutions (like J2EE). OpenLazlo looks pretty cool, especially if it compiles to DHTML. Haven't used it myself. -- Chad On 11/9/06, Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-). -warner On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote: > Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo? > > -- Randy > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] open laslo
I would very much like to, but that project hasn't bubbled up to the top yet, next on my list is groovy ;-). -warner On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Randolph Kahle wrote: Is anyone using or thinking about using open laslo? -- Randy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
