Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread roger peppe
On 28 April 2015 at 19:41, Nate Finch nate.fi...@canonical.com wrote: No one seems to be answering my actual question. That error message seems new. Is it? Either way, the error message is incorrect - control bucket is not required - and whatever is emitting that message needs to be fixed.

Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread roger peppe
On 28 April 2015 at 19:32, Aaron Bentley aaron.bent...@canonical.com wrote: On 2015-04-28 11:42 AM, roger peppe wrote: The .jenv code was introduced prior to 1.16. How far back in time do we need to preserve compatibility? (genuine question) We need to support every mode of operation that

Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread roger peppe
On 29 April 2015 at 01:05, Jesse Meek jesse.m...@canonical.com wrote: Hi Nate, I looked into your bug. The default value for control-bucket was not being set. Here's a PR to fix: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1512/ I'm not entirely sure that's the right fix. The original error message was right

Can the manual provider be told what a node's private IP is?

2015-04-29 Thread Jorge O. Castro
Hi everyone, Need some core help on this one, Ben, Marco and I think that the answer to this is no for the manual provider, if someone familiar with the manual provider could chime in here that'd be great: https://askubuntu.com/questions/611564/how-does-juju-get-the-private-address-of-a-node --

Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread roger peppe
On 29 April 2015 at 17:10, Aaron Bentley aaron.bent...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-04-29 10:43 AM, roger peppe wrote: Once Trusty EOLs, then I think we would be able to drop functionality that 1.18 itself used only for migration. For example,

Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread Aaron Bentley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-04-29 10:43 AM, roger peppe wrote: Once Trusty EOLs, then I think we would be able to drop functionality that 1.18 itself used only for migration. For example, if juju 1.18 had automatically created .jenvs from the environments.yaml

Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread Nate Finch
We have done it before. As Roger said, there is/was a convention to do a three step process to deprecate old command line functionality. There's a big difference between what the command line looks like, and keeping compatibility with 1.18. We might want to preserve both, but they're not the

Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread Aaron Bentley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-04-29 12:31 PM, roger peppe wrote: FWIW I seem to remember some command line flags being deprecated (with a visible warning message) and then removed. I wonder if that might be another possible approach that could let us avoid unbounded

Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread Michael Hudson-Doyle
On 30 April 2015 at 07:40, Nate Finch nate.fi...@canonical.com wrote: We have done it before. As Roger said, there is/was a convention to do a three step process to deprecate old command line functionality. There's a big difference between what the command line looks like, and keeping

Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread Aaron Bentley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-04-29 04:10 AM, roger peppe wrote: On 28 April 2015 at 19:32, Aaron Bentley aaron.bent...@canonical.com wrote: On 2015-04-28 11:42 AM, roger peppe wrote: The .jenv code was introduced prior to 1.16. How far back in time do we need to

Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread Aaron Bentley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-04-29 09:41 AM, Nate Finch wrote: I think you're missing roger's point. No, I understand his point, and I think that his extrapolation is incorrect, and I explained how. 1.18 has some fallback code to support 1.16. However, we don't

Re: previously valid amazon environment now invalid?

2015-04-29 Thread roger peppe
On 29 April 2015 at 14:34, Aaron Bentley aaron.bent...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-04-29 04:10 AM, roger peppe wrote: On 28 April 2015 at 19:32, Aaron Bentley aaron.bent...@canonical.com wrote: On 2015-04-28 11:42 AM, roger peppe wrote: The