Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On 2 Oct 2015 17:33, "Abe Schneider" > > 3. Inheriting from non-abstract classes is an important item for me (you can see multiple posts on the github page). In terms of building larger systems than just prototypes, this can be vital for creating some type of organization within your code. I am

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On 2 October 2015 at 11:18, SVAKSHA wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Daniel Carrera wrote: > > nothing but a long list of `include` instructions for every file I work > on. > > So I am constantly running `include("lib.jl")` in the REPL. > > Isnt it

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Daniel Carrera wrote: > nothing but a long list of `include` instructions for every file I work on. > So I am constantly running `include("lib.jl")` in the REPL. Isnt it possible to achieve the same result with a .juliarc file for each repo -

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

I didn't know about Autoreload.jl; thanks for the tip. I currently do something similar using `include()`. I have a file called `lib.jl` that is nothing but a long list of `include` instructions for every file I work on. So I am constantly running `include("lib.jl")` in the REPL. Do you have any

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Daniel Carrera wrote: > No, you didn't understand me. I don't have a bunch of repos with individual > libraries. I have my own program that is a big stack of functions that I use > to analyze the results of my simulations. I am constantly adding

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

I completely agree with those who suggested use of "x = A\b" instead of x=inv(A)*b. Do any of you have comments on things that can be done to make Julia more 'hackable' and even easier to use? Am I alone in wishing for functionality such as that in Autoreload.jl [1] that is transparently built

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On 30 September 2015 at 16:23, Christian Peel wrote: > One could also ask what the reason for the success of Matlab and R; I > don't know R, but I can speak a bit about Matlab. > > 1) Matlab has great high-level vectorized notation. If you're a student > or engineer, it's

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On 30 September 2015 at 16:57, Michele Zaffalon wrote: > There is some literature supporting the opposite: > http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.6035.pdf > > I know from experience that "x = inv(A)*b" gets answers wrong in places where "x = A \ b" gets them right. I show an

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

I myself do not care much about Julia or python speed since I can write fast code in Cython (C/C++ speed with Python syntax sugar). There are several features in Julia I like much (and I think they can be good selling points). * CFFI: great that we can call C function easily. * Parallel: I very

[julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

You don’t think Julia does that? […] But not-so-well written Julia code should be at least as fast as Python. Don’t you think so? Yes, I do think so (but there are still lots of examples of new users who manage to write Julia code that’s slower by orders of magnitude compared to

[julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

Hello colleagues, On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 11:30:19 AM UTC+2, Sisyphuss wrote: > > While waiting Julia 0.4 stabilizing, let's do some brainstorming. > btw: it's not "waiting for Julia 0.4 stabilizing", the correct thing is: While we test release candidates of Julia 0.4 to help it

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On Wed, Sep 30 2015, Tomas Lycken wrote: > You can get Python-like performance without getting computer-sciency. > > Again, the problem is not reaching Python-like performance, but rather *not > beating Python by enough*. Raw speed is a red herring. For many applications

[julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

Coming back to the original question about success of Python, I'd stress these points: * it's *simple*. for both - programmers and non-programmers * it's a *system language* for most Unix-like operations systems * it has very strong *scientific stack* (read as: has a lot of mature

[julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

One big pull for python is the ecosystem. Almost any task has a python package available. However, there are gaps. For all the strength of scipy + numpy, there are serious gaps. For instance in methods for sparse matrices, and CUDA bindings. It's those gaps that brought me here. Also, pip is

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

One could also ask what the reason for the success of Matlab and R; I don't know R, but I can speak a bit about Matlab. 1) Matlab has great high-level vectorized notation. If you're a student or engineer, it's dramatically easier to solve a linear system in Matlab (x=inv(A)*b) than it is in

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On Wed, Sep 30 2015, Christian Peel wrote: > 1) Matlab has great high-level vectorized notation. If you're a student or > engineer, it's dramatically easier to solve a linear system in Matlab > (x=inv(A)*b) than it is in many other languages. Julia has at least this You

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Tamas Papp wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30 2015, Christian Peel wrote: > > > 1) Matlab has great high-level vectorized notation. If you're a student > or > > engineer, it's dramatically easier to solve a linear system in Matlab >

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

> (x=inv(A)*b) than it is in many other languages. Julia has at least this > > You shouldn't ever do this (in either Julia or Matlab, or any language), > it is ill-conditioned for general matrices. I think the Matlab function > is linsolve. > > Perhaps more precise to say "A\b is always

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On Wed, Sep 30 2015, Michele Zaffalon wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Tamas Papp wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 30 2015, Christian Peel wrote: >> >> > 1) Matlab has great high-level vectorized notation. If you're a student

RE: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

When you have matrices with special structures and symmetries, Julia can encode that information in the type of the matrix, and in those cases the backslash operator should actually be more efficient than in Matlab because there is no need to “guess” what the best algorithm might be. My

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

Yes, one of the things that won me over was that I could write many fewer lines of code that I'd have to do in C/C++/Java (and that was when I was still a total novice - which I still am in many ways, but getting better). Python has been successful IMO because it's easy to quickly get stuff up

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One of the recent "why is my code slow" posts from a new user had a statement that was something along the lines of "sure it's still 4-5 times faster than python, but I expected it to be much faster". I think this sums it up... new users hear of Julia's blazing speed and expect it to be as fast

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Leave it to Scott to make things more complicated... :) On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Scott Jones wrote: > Yes, one of the things that won me over was that I could write many fewer > lines of code that I'd have to do in C/C++/Java (and that was when I was > still

[julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 10:20:18 AM UTC, Tomas Lycken wrote: > > One thing Python does well, which Julia doesn't (yet) succeed in, is make > it easy to start coding from zero experience and get something that > executes "well enough" > I think, this may be a little unfair to Julia.

[julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

I think, this may be a little unfair to Julia. I agree that it’s unfair - but new users are seldom fair. What I meant to get at was not that Julia code by an inexperienced programmer is worse than anything else, but just that since Julia *can* be so fast, I think there’s a big risk that the

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On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 10:14:48 AM UTC-4, Tom Breloff wrote: > > Leave it to Scott to make things more complicated... :) > Of course! :) I just wanted it to reflect better which language might do better for a company, where the programmer's time may be worth a lot more than the

[julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

First of all I want to say that you are doing an excellent job. I program in Fortran and python but I'm keeping an eye on Julia, I haven't decided to switch yet. I'm not afraid to learn a new language, so I may do it in the future. Python is slow, but most of the time I use vectorized

[julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On Tuesday, 29 September 2015 12:20:18 UTC+2, Tomas Lycken wrote: > > One thing Python does well, which Julia doesn't (yet) succeed in, is make > it easy to start coding from zero experience and get something that > executes "well enough" (although, as always with first-time coders, code >

[julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On Tuesday, 29 September 2015 14:50:14 UTC+2, Páll Haraldsson wrote: > > Even if Julia were as slow as Python, it seems to be a better language - > more maintainable > Exactly! I never liked Python. I use Julia because I like the language itself. The fact that it is fast is actually secondary,

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

I prefer Julia to Python for many reasons, not only performance, but purely regarding performance I often wondered: How much is the poor Python performance just a current state. In fact NUMBA can often take care if it in a very low-effort way. (a) What is numba lacking now, compared to

Re: [julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

Well, I do think there is a lot special about Julia's design that could not be added on to Python - the macro programming, multiple dispatch capabilities and the powerful type system (hopefully with traits built into the language in the future!) are what most set it apart from other languages,

[julia-users] Re: What's the reason of the Success of Python?

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 12:42:04 PM UTC-4, Edmondo Giovannozzi wrote: > > First of all I want to say that you are doing an excellent job. > I program in Fortran and python but I'm keeping an eye on Julia, I haven't > decided to switch yet. I'm not afraid to learn a new language, so I