Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
Thanks again for all your insights and feedback. I've tried to bring your comments all together here below... I'm revisiting this thread please since I am still looking to replace my Cisco Me3600's in my distribution layer of my network. They only have (2) 10 gig ports and I need more 10 gig. I want all mpls l2vpn/l3vpn capabilities that I at least have on my current ME3600's. I would like to add that (6) ports 10 gig may not be enough for us to scale to the future. We would like more than 6. If I LAG (2) 10's to my OLT/FTTH Chassis and go east and west with 20 gig each direction, then I've used up all (6) 10 gig's. I think this rules out the ASR920's. -- About the Juniper ACX5000... Mark mentioned - "Juniper's ACX5000 units are multi-rate systems. Only problem is there are Broadcom chipsets in there. Okay for most applications, but you may hit fundamental issues that software can't rectify. That is why we dropped our consideration for them.".. " The ACX5000 was a reasonable attempt, but that Broadcom chipset is a liability. As always, Juniper continue to drop the ball on this" James mentioned - " Yep, I mean it's a QFX 5100. Cisco ASR 9xx are certainly more better suited IMO for edge applications." -- About the Juniper EX4550... Mark mentioned - " The EX4550 falls very short of that re: full IP/MPLS capabilities." Raphael mentioned - "If l3vpn is your case you can consider ex4550 (with caution). I use them as PE with some kind of success. But... there is some limitations you should be aware of : - the cpu is slow, even the snmp process can kill the control plane if there is too much polling - mpls : l2circuit is working, but not l2vpn, nor vpls. l3vpn is working but the number of routing instance is limited (around 40 if I remember correctly. And the big one : no local leaking between routing instance. Very annoying. - snmp counter on sub interface (but there are workaround) -- About the Juniper QFX5100... Richard mentioned - " My experience with that platform and 14.1 has been very unpleasant. 13.2 does not support MPLS PE." -- About the Cisco ASR903... I'm interested in this. What do y'all think about this? It seems that this is a scalable box with its dual power, dual cpu, 6 slot with various Ethernet card options. I wonder what a starter box would cost (chassis, one cpu, one power supply, one (8) port 10 gig module) ? Any other comparable products out there y'all know of? Aaron -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Raphael Mazelier Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 12:45 PM To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports Le 14/07/15 15:45, Phil Mayers a écrit : > > L3VPN was our use-case; it may or may not do L2VPN, we don't have much > use for it locally. > If l3vpn is your case you can consider ex4550 (with caution). I use them as PE with some kind of succes. But.. there is some limitations you should be aware of : - the cpu is slow, even the snmp process can kill the control plane if there is too much polling - mpls : l2circuit is working, but not l2vpn, nor vpls. l3vpn is working but the number of routing instance is limited (arround 40 if I remember correctly. And the big one : no local leaking between routing instance. Very annoying. - snmp counter on sub interface (but there are workarround) Regards, -- Raphael Mazelier ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
What does the price point of the ME3600X/ASR920 platform look like? Looks like for at least the ASR920 and 10G SPF+ ports you have the buy the chassis and then upgrade licenses? Considering a Juniper GFX5100 is ~$11k brand new does it make any sense to go with something like an ASR920, or does the ASR have many more features than the Juniper QFX5100? The 5100 has a ton of port built in, but is more of a switch than router. On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:26 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: On 13/Jul/15 17:40, Ivan Ivanov wrote: PTX1000 https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/ptx-series/ptx1000/ Looks good, but won't hit the ME3600X/ASR920 price-point. For cheaper option you can check ACX5000. ACX5000 https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/acx-series/acx5000/ Broadcom chipset, as I mentioned to the OP on c-nsp. Limits your options. Mark. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
On 21/Jul/15 14:41, Colton Conor wrote: What does the price point of the ME3600X/ASR920 platform look like? Looks like for at least the ASR920 and 10G SPF+ ports you have the buy the chassis and then upgrade licenses? As with any vendor, the best deal you can do is one that won't be published on a public mailing list. But I'll tell you this, even with the various licenses the ASR920 has, it is way cheaper than the ACX or QFX. And certainly about half the cost of the ME3600X. Considering a Juniper GFX5100 is ~$11k brand new does it make any sense to go with something like an ASR920, or does the ASR have many more features than the Juniper QFX5100? I'll say this, in reference to a fully or even reasonably licensed ASR920, that QFX is over-priced. But then again, perhaps you can wrestle Juniper's pricing down to something low as well. It's hard to talk final prices as each deal is each deal. Feature-wise, the ASR920 will beat the QFX or ACX very easily. Even though it's a switch, it's really a router. The 5100 has a ton of port built in, but is more of a switch than router. Yes. I think the ACX5000 is more of the router, but again, it's that Broadcom job that gets in the way. Mark. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
On 14/Jul/15 19:44, Raphael Mazelier wrote: If l3vpn is your case you can consider ex4550 (with caution). I use them as PE with some kind of succes. But.. there is some limitations you should be aware of : - the cpu is slow, even the snmp process can kill the control plane if there is too much polling - mpls : l2circuit is working, but not l2vpn, nor vpls. l3vpn is working but the number of routing instance is limited (arround 40 if I remember correctly. And the big one : no local leaking between routing instance. Very annoying. - snmp counter on sub interface (but there are workarround) You're a brave man :-). Mark. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
On 13/Jul/15 17:40, Ivan Ivanov wrote: PTX1000 https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/ptx-series/ptx1000/ Looks good, but won't hit the ME3600X/ASR920 price-point. For cheaper option you can check ACX5000. ACX5000 https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/acx-series/acx5000/ Broadcom chipset, as I mentioned to the OP on c-nsp. Limits your options. Mark. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
Take a look at the EX4550. Just pay attention on the number of routes it supports and see if that suits you. It's not a core router, but neither is the ME3600. On Jul 13, 2015 11:54 AM, Aaron aar...@gvtc.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm needing more 10 gig ports in my CO's for purposes of upgrading my FTTH OLT shelves with 10 gig. I currently use Cisco ME3600's and do a lot of core ospf, and MP-iBGP over that for MPLS L2VPN's (eline, elan, etree) and L3VPN's (VPNv4 and testing VPNv6) I'm thinking about Cisco ASR920's for (4) 10 gig ports and several (1) gig ports. Would this be good ? What are some comparable Juniper products that would fit here ? Is Juniper better in that area ? Aaron ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
On 14/Jul/15 14:12, Luis Balbinot wrote: Take a look at the EX4550. Just pay attention on the number of routes it supports and see if that suits you. It's not a core router, but neither is the ME3600. OP is looking for a 1U switch that is really a router with full IP/MPLS capabilities, but has reasonably dense 10Gbps port assets. The EX4550 falls very short of that re: full IP/MPLS capabilities. Mark. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
On 14/07/15 13:18, Mark Tinka wrote: On 14/Jul/15 14:12, Luis Balbinot wrote: Take a look at the EX4550. Just pay attention on the number of routes it supports and see if that suits you. It's not a core router, but neither is the ME3600. OP is looking for a 1U switch that is really a router with full IP/MPLS capabilities, but has reasonably dense 10Gbps port assets. The EX4550 falls very short of that re: full IP/MPLS capabilities. QFX 5100? Juniper cited that to us as a collapsed MPLS L3VPN P/PE and claim pretty good features. Not tried one yet. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
On 14/07/15 14:36, Richard Hartmann wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Phil Mayers p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: QFX 5100? My experience with that platform and 14.1 has been very unpleasant. 13.2 does not support MPLS PE. Yikes. That's good (well, bad, but you know what I mean) to be aware of. Juniper cited that to us as a collapsed MPLS L3VPN P/PE and claim pretty good features. Not tried one yet. Interesting; not for L2VPN? L3VPN was our use-case; it may or may not do L2VPN, we don't have much use for it locally. Cheers, Phil ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
On 14/Jul/15 14:54, Phil Mayers wrote: QFX 5100? Juniper cited that to us as a collapsed MPLS L3VPN P/PE and claim pretty good features. Not tried one yet. Isn't that the seed that fertilized the (ACX5000) egg? Mark. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Phil Mayers p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: QFX 5100? My experience with that platform and 14.1 has been very unpleasant. 13.2 does not support MPLS PE. Juniper cited that to us as a collapsed MPLS L3VPN P/PE and claim pretty good features. Not tried one yet. Interesting; not for L2VPN? Richard ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
Le 14/07/15 15:45, Phil Mayers a écrit : L3VPN was our use-case; it may or may not do L2VPN, we don't have much use for it locally. If l3vpn is your case you can consider ex4550 (with caution). I use them as PE with some kind of succes. But.. there is some limitations you should be aware of : - the cpu is slow, even the snmp process can kill the control plane if there is too much polling - mpls : l2circuit is working, but not l2vpn, nor vpls. l3vpn is working but the number of routing instance is limited (arround 40 if I remember correctly. And the big one : no local leaking between routing instance. Very annoying. - snmp counter on sub interface (but there are workarround) Regards, -- Raphael Mazelier ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports
Hi, Look at newly released PTX1000 from Juniper. It comes with latest J custom silicon and unlike the first version it comes also with full blow routing. PTX1000 https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/ptx-series/ptx1000/ For cheaper option you can check ACX5000. ACX5000 https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/acx-series/acx5000/ Ivan, On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Aaron aar...@gvtc.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm needing more 10 gig ports in my CO's for purposes of upgrading my FTTH OLT shelves with 10 gig. I currently use Cisco ME3600's and do a lot of core ospf, and MP-iBGP over that for MPLS L2VPN's (eline, elan, etree) and L3VPN's (VPNv4 and testing VPNv6) I'm thinking about Cisco ASR920's for (4) 10 gig ports and several (1) gig ports. Would this be good ? What are some comparable Juniper products that would fit here ? Is Juniper better in that area ? Aaron ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp -- Best Regards! Ivan Ivanov ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
