[kbuild-devel] Re: linux kernel conf 0.8

2002-10-09 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Sam Ravnborg wrote: > > ls rrunner* > should show me not only the implementation [.c + .h] but also > the configuration. I agree with you, but only if we _always_ have one config file per driver. Which is not necessarily the wrong thing to do. But as long as most drivers

[kbuild-devel] Re: linux kernel conf 0.8

2002-10-09 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Sam Ravnborg wrote: > > Another suggestion about naming: > Take for example drivers/net: > cat Config.* | wc => 2149 lines > > A bit a structure could be needed here. > Net.conf <= Name equals directory with upper-case first letter > - Cover the whole directory, and e

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: linux kernel conf 0.8

2002-10-09 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Randy.Dunlap wrote: > > stick with TCL/TK, like xconfig currently uses ? Too ugly. I actually think QT is a fine choice, I just suspect that it's going to cause political issues. My favourite approach by far is to actually not ship anything graphical with the kernel at all

[kbuild-devel] Re: linux kernel conf 0.8

2002-10-08 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Roman Zippel wrote: > > Linus, do you have any interest in merging it in the near future? If > not, what's missing? I'm not super-excited about this, partly because of the brouhaha last time around on this issue. This has reasonably distributed config files, and puts the he

[kbuild-devel] Re: Get rid of shell based Config.in parsers?

2002-08-15 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Sam Ravnborg wrote: > > Where comes the requirement that we shall keep the existing shell > based config parsers? I use them exclusively. It is far and away the most convenient parsing - just to do "make oldconfig" (possibly by making changes by hand to the .config file

[kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system

2001-12-29 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Keith Owens wrote: > > Yes, some of the problems with mkdep can be fixed in the current design > but there is one problem that is inherently unfixable. make dep is a > manual process so it relies on users knowing when they have to rerun > make dep AND THEY DON'T DO IT! Don'

[kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system

2001-12-29 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Legacy Fishtank wrote: > > A per-driver metadata file is IMHO clearly the preferred solution. Note that it doesn't need to be per-driver: there are good reasons to have "combined" files too. For example, things like "architecture config" could all be in one file, along with

[kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system

2001-12-28 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Alan Cox wrote: > > It would certainly fit nicely with the existing metadata. We already rip out > code comments via kernel-doc, and extending it to rip out > > - Help text > - Web site ... No no no. The comments can at least be helpful to programmer

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system

2001-12-28 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > OK. Background, for anyone who doesn't know this: the equivalent of > Configure.help in CML2 is the symbols.cml file. It's actually generated > fat CML2 installation time from Configure.help. Oh, crap, _another_ magic global file. Eric, this is

[kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system

2001-12-28 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Legacy Fishtank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Note I am specifically NOT talking about MAINTAINERS and CREDITS. > > -PLEASE- don't obscure my point by mentioning them. > > It's the same problem, Jeff. Same solution, too. It's not. We already have pre-fi

[kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system

2001-12-28 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Legacy Fishtank wrote: > > I think one thing to note is that dependencies is that if you are smart > about it, dependencies -really- do not even change when your .config > changes. Absolutely. I detest "gcc -MD", exactly because it doesn't get this part right. "mkdep.c" gets

[kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system

2001-12-28 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > I'm not certain what you're objecting to, and I want to understand it. > There are rules that use architecture symbols to suppress things like > bus types. I presume that's not a problem for you, but tell me if it is. It _is_ a problem for me, bec

[kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system

2001-12-28 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Alan Cox wrote: > > > So if somebody really wants to help this, make scripts that generate > > config files AND Configure.help files from a distributed set. And once you > > do that, you could even imagine creating the old-style config files > > Something like: > > find

[kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system

2001-12-28 Thread Linus Torvalds
[ Btw, Jeff, any reason why you changed your name to "Legacy Fishtank"? It took a few mails before I noticed that it also said "garzik" in the fine print;] One thing that this big flame-war has brought up is that different people like different things. There may be a simpler solution to this

[kbuild-devel] Re: your mail

2001-12-27 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Andre Hedrick wrote: > > Lots of luck ... please pass your crack pipe arounds so the rest of us > idiots can see your vision or lack of ... Heh. I think I must have passed it on to you long ago, and you never gave it back, you sneaky bastard ;) The vision, btw, is to get th

[kbuild-devel] Re: your mail

2001-12-06 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Keith Owens wrote: > > Linus, the time has come to convert the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5. We're getting the block IO layer in shape first, the time has not come for _anything_ else before that. Linus ___ kbuild-dev