Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-19 Thread James Tyrer
On 05/12/2013 05:13 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Friday, 2013-05-10, James Tyrer wrote: On 05/07/2013 02:40 PM, Ross Boylan wrote: On Tuesday, May 07, 2013 02:54:19 AM James Tyrer wrote: Where do you get the idea that you have no merit in the KDE project, or that someone fixing bugs would be

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-12 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Friday, 2013-05-10, James Tyrer wrote: On 05/07/2013 04:21 PM, Duncan wrote: As Kevin keeps hammering hammering on, KDE isn't a single product. There are many that would (wrongly) say the same about Linux, which clearly isn't the case, or about Adobe (his example, very good one BTW),

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-12 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Friday, 2013-05-10, James Tyrer wrote: On 05/07/2013 02:40 PM, Ross Boylan wrote: On Tuesday, May 07, 2013 02:54:19 AM James Tyrer wrote: Where do you get the idea that you have no merit in the KDE project, or that someone fixing bugs would be greeted with anything other than

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-10 Thread Ross Boylan
On Thursday, May 09, 2013 08:32:10 PM James Tyrer wrote: On 05/07/2013 02:40 PM, Ross Boylan wrote: I too am finding the reliability of KDE and its apps not what I would like, but one thing puzzles me about this complaint, the statement that bug fixing is not welcomed... On Tuesday,

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-10 Thread James Tyrer
On 05/10/2013 10:58 AM, Ross Boylan wrote: On Thursday, May 09, 2013 08:32:10 PM James Tyrer wrote: On 05/07/2013 02:40 PM, Ross Boylan wrote: I too am finding the reliability of KDE and its apps not what I would like, but one thing puzzles me about this complaint, the statement that bug

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-09 Thread James Tyrer
On 05/07/2013 09:06 AM, Doug wrote: On 05/07/2013 11:49 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, dE wrote: There is no misconception. Yes, there is. Sometimes people don't know that KDE is the name of the software vendor, not of a product and that this vendor has in fact dozens of

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-09 Thread James Tyrer
On 05/07/2013 02:40 PM, Ross Boylan wrote: I too am finding the reliability of KDE and its apps not what I would like, but one thing puzzles me about this complaint, the statement that bug fixing is not welcomed... On Tuesday, May 07, 2013 02:54:19 AM James Tyrer wrote: The KDE development

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-09 Thread James Tyrer
On 05/07/2013 04:21 PM, Duncan wrote: Ross Boylan posted on Tue, 07 May 2013 14:40:50 -0700 as excerpted: On Tuesday, May 07, 2013 02:54:19 AM James Tyrer wrote: The KDE development team appears to be interested in something other than producing a stable release. It really is that simple.

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-08 Thread Ross Boylan
On Tuesday, May 07, 2013 04:21:21 PM Duncan wrote: P.S. Composed in kmail 1.13.7, which mysteriously hangs from time to time, can't autocomplete from the address book, and sometimes show blank messages with any way I can see to get it show html. Kmail-1 is an effectively abandoned

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: On Tuesday 07 May 2013 12:50 my mailbox was graced by a message from Kevin Krammer who wrote: So Adobe - vendor Adobe Creative Suite - bundle of products by vendor Adobe Photoshop - one product by vendor, also available as part of a

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-08 Thread Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
On Tuesday 07 May 2013 19:21 my mailbox was graced by a message from Duncan who wrote: Other distros who stuck with pre-akonadi kmail-1/kdepim-4.4 for awhile either have or will eventually need to make similar decisions... Another possibility: users will go over to Claws-mail (or other MUA),

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-08 Thread Georg C. F. Greve
On Tuesday 07 May 2013 23.04:02 Ross Boylan wrote: I'm using Debian Wheezy, which was released about 2 days ago. It's a little odd: help | about shows KMail Version 1.13.7 use KDE dev Platform 4.8.4. The Debian package version number is 4.4.11, which I suppose is a reference to the kde pim

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2013-05-08, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: On Tuesday 07 May 2013 19:21 my mailbox was graced by a message from Duncan who wrote: Other distros who stuck with pre-akonadi kmail-1/kdepim-4.4 for awhile either have or will eventually need to make similar decisions... Another

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-08 Thread der_FeniX
В письме от 7 мая 2013 19:56:32 пользователь Renaud Olgiati написал: On Tuesday 07 May 2013 19:21 my mailbox was graced by a message from Duncan who wrote: Other distros who stuck with pre-akonadi kmail-1/kdepim-4.4 for awhile either have or will eventually need to make similar

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-08 Thread Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
On Wednesday 08 May 2013 05:36 my mailbox was graced by a message from Kevin Krammer who wrote: I doubt Claws or any mail user agent can provide the same functionality of all KDE [1] software products people are currently using. Might be able to replace KMail, but I have my doubts on whether

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2013-05-08, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: On Wednesday 08 May 2013 05:36 my mailbox was graced by a message from Kevin Krammer who wrote: I doubt Claws or any mail user agent can provide the same functionality of all KDE [1] software products people are currently using.

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-08 Thread Duncan
Renaud (Ron) Olgiati posted on Tue, 07 May 2013 19:56:32 -0400 as excerpted: On Tuesday 07 May 2013 19:21 my mailbox was graced by a message from Duncan who wrote: Other distros who stuck with pre-akonadi kmail-1/kdepim-4.4 for awhile either have or will eventually need to make similar

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-08 Thread Ross Boylan
On Wednesday, May 08, 2013 12:55:25 AM Georg C. F. Greve wrote: On Tuesday 07 May 2013 23.04:02 Ross Boylan wrote: I'm using Debian Wheezy, which was released about 2 days ago. It's a little odd: help | about shows KMail Version 1.13.7 use KDE dev Platform 4.8.4. The Debian package

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, James Tyrer wrote: On 03/19/2013 09:58 AM, dE . wrote: The KDE development team appears to be interested in something other than producing a stable release. It really is that simple. Well, simple and false :) Mostly because the conclusion is based on a misconception

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread dE
On 05/07/13 20:03, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, James Tyrer wrote: On 03/19/2013 09:58 AM, dE . wrote: The KDE development team appears to be interested in something other than producing a stable release. It really is that simple. Well, simple and false :) Mostly because the

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, dE wrote: There is no misconception. Yes, there is. Sometimes people don't know that KDE is the name of the software vendor, not of a product and that this vendor has in fact dozens of products. Sometimes people find these threads through search engines and might not

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread Doug
On 05/07/2013 11:32 AM, dE wrote: /snip/ There is no misconception. KDE is always giving problems. Look at the bugzilla crawling with stale bugs. /snip/ I've been using KDE for at least 3 years, and I find very little in it to complain about. Only thing I can think of is the unfortunate

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread Doug
On 05/07/2013 11:49 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, dE wrote: There is no misconception. Yes, there is. Sometimes people don't know that KDE is the name of the software vendor, not of a product and that this vendor has in fact dozens of products. S /snip/ I thought KDE was

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, Doug wrote: On 05/07/2013 11:49 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, dE wrote: There is no misconception. Yes, there is. Sometimes people don't know that KDE is the name of the software vendor, not of a product and that this vendor has in fact dozens

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 07/05/2013 at 18:06, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: I thought KDE was short for K Desktop Environment, a replacement for a Unix CDE--Common Desktop Environment? It is not for over a three years now. KDE is simply KDE and the meaning is entire community. Software is called KDE SC,

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 07/05/2013 at 18:06, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: I thought KDE was short for K Desktop Environment, a replacement for a Unix CDE--Common Desktop Environment? It is not for over a three years now. KDE is simply KDE and the meaning

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread John Woodhouse
distro release - new machine too. I've been using this one for 10+ years John - From: dE de.tec...@gmail.com To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 16:32 Subject: Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release? On 05/07/13 20:03, Kevin Krammer wrote

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:55:08 -0400 Renaud (Ron) Olgiati articulated: With the profound difference that when you install Photoshop, frinstance, that is it; while if you want to install KMail, you are obliged to install as well a shitload of useless bug-ridden crap like Akonadi Akonadi won't

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread Ross Boylan
I too am finding the reliability of KDE and its apps not what I would like, but one thing puzzles me about this complaint, the statement that bug fixing is not welcomed... On Tuesday, May 07, 2013 02:54:19 AM James Tyrer wrote: The KDE development team appears to be interested in something

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-05-07 Thread Duncan
Ross Boylan posted on Tue, 07 May 2013 14:40:50 -0700 as excerpted: On Tuesday, May 07, 2013 02:54:19 AM James Tyrer wrote: The KDE development team appears to be interested in something other than producing a stable release. It really is that simple. As Kevin keeps hammering hammering on,

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-04-02 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Monday, 2013-03-25, dE . wrote: As stated before, the best way to find bugs is constant usability testing. Beta 1 and beta 2 have a few days in between releases, so what do you expect these testers to upgraded every day and yet use their system normally? Instead they attempt to just see if

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-04-02 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Thursday, 2013-03-28, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:21:47 +0100 Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: I certainly think freedesktop.org should change it's name perhaps to enterprisedesktop.org or maybe cloudesktop.org I didn't get the context of that one. Various

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-04-02 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Friday, 2013-03-29, dE . wrote: See, we all agree with the fact that KDE SC is a complicated project and it's a good design; for starters Akonadi is the only piece of software proving the likes of MS exchange. But the project doesn't have enough developers to satisfy the release needs,

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-29 Thread Duncan
dE . posted on Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:54:48 +0530 as excerpted: Those bugs are also reproducible on Debian. Does KsCD do anything for you at all? For starters... Hmm... That's one of the apps I decided I didn't need, when I was slimming down kde a few versions ago. With two burners (one got old

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-29 Thread dE .
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: On Friday, 2013-03-22, Duncan wrote: My problem isn't so much with that, it's with killing support for old versions before the new versions are sufficiently stable replacements, ESPECIALLY after promising support as

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-29 Thread dE .
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: On Sunday 24 Mar 2013 11:41 my mailbox was graced by a message from Kevin Krammer who wrote: For example, if we look at KMail, one can easily fall into the trap of thinking of it as just an program

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-29 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:28:37 +0530 dE . de.tec...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, look at Xfce. They're hesitant to add basic features like Thunar search, tabbed browsing, cause they say the don't have enough developers. On top of that look at their super slow release cycles (-bugfixes).

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-29 Thread Thomas Tanghus
Are you seriously calling it a failed release because of those minor buglets, some of which are either distro or configuration dependent? I consider that trolling. 4.10.1 is a rock solid release, and the work the devs have done during the past years is really is really paying off. On Wednesday

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-29 Thread Duncan
dE . posted on Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:28:37 +0530 as excerpted: You can even look at Gnome. They test their major releases for full 6 months, and release a beta every month. Sort of like kde, if you consider the last bugfix release of a series the release. Actually, that's pretty much what some

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-28 Thread Leon Feng
2013/3/28 dE . de.tec...@gmail.com: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Leon Feng rainofch...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/23 Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org On Saturday, 2013-03-23, dE . wrote: Cause of this behaviour of distros, KDE gets less chance to get tested. The only solution is to

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-28 Thread Duncan
dE . posted on Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:05:22 +0530 as excerpted: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: (As another gentooer...) Not really. No need for the live- unless you really want it, and that's not what Myriam was referring to. What Myriam was suggesting

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-28 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Thursday, 2013-03-28, Duncan wrote: dE . posted on Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:53:39 +0530 as excerpted: Yes, that's the same base kde2 config now running kde4. Every once in awhile, especially after the 2.x to 3.x upgrade and later the 3.x to 4.x upgrade, a few months after the upgrade I go

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-27 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Sunday, 2013-03-24, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:41:35 +0100 Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: There were a couple of newly developed programs but they were almost always components of the workspace product. I am currently not aware of any application which dropped

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-27 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Sunday, 2013-03-24, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:16:34 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Of course they'll with a near-certainty still continue to work on xorg for a few years anyway, but once the general desktop moves to wayland, the X dependency gets

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-27 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Monday, 2013-03-25, Duncan wrote: Kevin Krammer posted on Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:41:35 +0100 as excerpted: And in fact that was what I guess kubuntu and some others were (rightly, it turned out) predicting, the reason they didn't do an LTS at the time, because they didn't believe the upstream

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:21:47 +0100 Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: I certainly think freedesktop.org should change it's name perhaps to enterprisedesktop.org or maybe cloudesktop.org I didn't get the context of that one. Various projects have shown their disregard for the user base

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-27 Thread Duncan
Kevin Krammer posted on Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:54:28 +0100 as excerpted: Which leaves amarok. Amarok's kde3 - kde4 conversion was for me a microcosm of the larger kde3 - kde4 debacle. The devs tried switching to mysql as akonadi was at the time, but in the process, they used mysql

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-27 Thread dE .
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Leon Feng rainofch...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/23 Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org On Saturday, 2013-03-23, dE . wrote: Cause of this behaviour of distros, KDE gets less chance to get tested. The only solution is to elongate the release cycles, that way, each

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-27 Thread dE .
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Anne Wilson cannewil...@googlemail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/03/13 13:08, dE . wrote: There's very less time focused on testing; that should be increased, and there's really no reason to hurry releases, no one complained

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-26 Thread Leon Feng
2013/3/25 dE . de.tec...@gmail.com: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: On Saturday, 2013-03-23, dE . wrote: Cause of this behaviour of distros, KDE gets less chance to get tested. The only solution is to elongate the release cycles, that way, each

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-25 Thread Ingo Malchow
Am Montag, 25. März 2013, 09:56:08 schrieb dE .: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Ingo Malchow imalc...@kde.org wrote: Am Freitag, 22. März 2013, 13:15:07 schrieb Mirosław Zalewski: On 22/03/2013 at 12:34, Myriam Schweingruber myr...@kde.org wrote: It is almost impossible, since the user

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread dE .
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Myriam Schweingruber myr...@kde.orgwrote: Hi Nikos, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/13 18:58, dE . wrote: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. They've all been, in my

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-03-23 02:10 (GMT+0200) Nikos Chantziaras composed: The way things are, there's never gonna be a stable KDE version. Not in a billion years. You mean besides the one that already exists? KDE3 - TDE, not to mention openSUSE's KDE3, where the only work done is keeping it building and

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread P .NIKOLIC
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:44:17 +0530 dE . de.tec...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Myriam Schweingruber myr...@kde.orgwrote: Hi Nikos, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/13 18:58, dE . wrote: This release of

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Friday, 2013-03-22, Duncan wrote: My problem isn't so much with that, it's with killing support for old versions before the new versions are sufficiently stable replacements, ESPECIALLY after promising support as long as there are users! That triggered a drop of a lot of my former kde

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
On Sunday 24 Mar 2013 06:17 my mailbox was graced by a message from dE . who wrote: It is almost impossible, since the user can dramatically modify the original configuration and automating the process of wading through often illogical configuration files with triple definitions and

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
On Sunday 24 Mar 2013 11:41 my mailbox was graced by a message from Kevin Krammer who wrote: For example, if we look at KMail, one can easily fall into the trap of thinking of it as just an program for writing and reading emails and thus compare it too closely with other products that do

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Leon Feng
2013/3/24 dE . de.tec...@gmail.com: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Myriam Schweingruber myr...@kde.org wrote: Hi Nikos, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/13 18:58, dE . wrote: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Sunday, 2013-03-24, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: On Sunday 24 Mar 2013 11:41 my mailbox was graced by a message from Kevin Krammer who wrote: For example, if we look at KMail, one can easily fall into the trap of thinking of it as just an program for writing and reading emails and thus

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-03-24 13:30 (GMT+0100) Kevin Krammer composed: Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: It would be a help if KDE did not store in hidden configuration files (.kde4) a mort of stuff that is in fact user data, like all the Kmail messages, Konqueror bookmarks, etc. Actually .kde/ :) Actually

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Duncan
Kevin Krammer posted on Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:41:03 +0100 as excerpted: On Friday, 2013-03-22, Duncan wrote: My problem isn't so much with that, it's with killing support for old versions before the new versions are sufficiently stable replacements, ESPECIALLY after promising support as long

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Sunday, 2013-03-24, Duncan wrote: Kevin Krammer posted on Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:41:03 +0100 as excerpted: On Friday, 2013-03-22, Duncan wrote: My problem isn't so much with that, it's with killing support for old versions before the new versions are sufficiently stable replacements,

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:16:34 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Of course they'll with a near-certainty still continue to work on xorg for a few years anyway, but once the general desktop moves to wayland, the X dependency gets moved to the might not be installed for anything else

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:41:35 +0100 Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: There were a couple of newly developed programs but they were almost always components of the workspace product. I am currently not aware of any application which dropped features during the porting, but I can obviously

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread Duncan
Kevin Krammer posted on Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:41:35 +0100 as excerpted: On Sunday, 2013-03-24, Duncan wrote: Kevin Krammer posted on Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:41:03 +0100 as excerpted: Well, the 3 series was actively released about one and a half year into the 4 series and continues to be

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread dE .
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Ingo Malchow imalc...@kde.org wrote: Am Freitag, 22. März 2013, 13:15:07 schrieb Mirosław Zalewski: On 22/03/2013 at 12:34, Myriam Schweingruber myr...@kde.org wrote: It is almost impossible, since the user can dramatically modify the original

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-24 Thread dE .
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: On Saturday, 2013-03-23, dE . wrote: Cause of this behaviour of distros, KDE gets less chance to get tested. The only solution is to elongate the release cycles, that way, each version of the DE gets tested slowly by

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-23 Thread dE .
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: On Thursday, 2013-03-21, dE . wrote: I'd the same issue with Debian testing; also distros wont upgrade to the latest 'stable' KDE; they usually wait for the last bug fix release, or Make sense, doesn't it? The x.y.0

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-23 Thread dE .
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Myriam Schweingruber myr...@kde.orgwrote: Hi all, On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM, dE . de.tec...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Ingo Malchow imalc...@kde.org wrote: Am Dienstag, 19. März 2013, 22:28:48 schrieb dE .: This release of

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-23 Thread dE .
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Anne Wilson an...@kde.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/03/13 15:22, dE . wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com mailto:ser...@serjux.com wrote: On Ter, 2013-03-19 at 22:28 +0530, dE .

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-23 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Saturday, 2013-03-23, dE . wrote: Cause of this behaviour of distros, KDE gets less chance to get tested. The only solution is to elongate the release cycles, that way, each version of the DE gets tested slowly by every advanced users; so they face and report bugs before the very end user

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-23 Thread dE .
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote: On Qui, 2013-03-21 at 20:52 +0530, dE . wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote: On Ter, 2013-03-19 at 22:28 +0530, dE . wrote: This release of KDE (4.10.1),

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 19/03/13 18:58, dE . wrote: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. They've all been, in my case. Not serious crasher bugs, but glitches everywhere. Of the very annoying, hair-pulling sort. I did report all of them, but no one cares though. The biggest

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-22 Thread Myriam Schweingruber
Hi Nikos, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/13 18:58, dE . wrote: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. They've all been, in my case. Not serious crasher bugs, but glitches everywhere. Of the very annoying,

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-22 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest issue is that with each new release, there's more glitches while the old ones are still there. On 22/03/2013 at 11:38, Myriam Schweingruber myr...@kde.org wrote: And make sure you ALWAYS test with a new

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-22 Thread Myriam Schweingruber
Hi Miroslav, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest issue is that with each new release, there's more glitches while the old ones are still there. On 22/03/2013

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-22 Thread Ingo Malchow
Am Freitag, 22. März 2013, 13:15:07 schrieb Mirosław Zalewski: On 22/03/2013 at 12:34, Myriam Schweingruber myr...@kde.org wrote: It is almost impossible, since the user can dramatically modify the original configuration and automating the process of wading through often illogical

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-22 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 22/03/2013 at 13:28, Ingo Malchow imalc...@kde.org wrote: This is an assumption and hopefully no dev ever thinks the same way. Config files are text files and CAN be edited by anyone. And guess what, they are quite often edited by hand. You need to think in the big picture. Yes, I have

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-22 Thread Ingo Malchow
Am Freitag, 22. März 2013, 14:46:10 schrieb Mirosław Zalewski: On 22/03/2013 at 13:28, Ingo Malchow imalc...@kde.org wrote: This is an assumption and hopefully no dev ever thinks the same way. Config files are text files and CAN be edited by anyone. And guess what, they are quite often

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-22 Thread Duncan
Kevin Krammer posted on Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:53:01 +0100 as excerpted: Honestly, why can't KDE SC support seamless update from previous major release? Is it too much work to rewrite config files whose format has changed? This is of course intended to happen, KDE software has had

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-21 Thread Myriam Schweingruber
Hi all, On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM, dE . de.tec...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Ingo Malchow imalc...@kde.org wrote: Am Dienstag, 19. März 2013, 22:28:48 schrieb dE .: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. Can't complain here, I use

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-21 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qui, 2013-03-21 at 20:52 +0530, dE . wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote: On Ter, 2013-03-19 at 22:28 +0530, dE . wrote: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen.

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-21 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/03/13 15:22, dE . wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com mailto:ser...@serjux.com wrote: On Ter, 2013-03-19 at 22:28 +0530, dE . wrote: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-20 Thread dE .
One of these appears to be a udisk problem. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:59 PM, An Nguyen an.nguyen.f...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:58 PM, dE . de.tec...@gmail.com wrote: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. Any specific bugs? Just out of my

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-20 Thread dE .
Gentoo with -semantic-desktop here. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: dE . posted on Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:28:48 +0530 as excerpted: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. I switched to KDE when it was at 4.4. That's strange.

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-20 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Ter, 2013-03-19 at 22:28 +0530, dE . wrote: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. Fedora 18 push it , and so far no bugs found . -- Sérgio M. B. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management:

[kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-19 Thread dE .
This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. I switched to KDE when it was at 4.4. I personally, don't really mind the bugs, it reminds me how ignorant KDE release team is; KDE was, is and never will be suited for the enterprise if it continues these 6 months feature

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-19 Thread An Nguyen
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:58 PM, dE . de.tec...@gmail.com wrote: This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. Any specific bugs? Just out of my curiosity. An. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-19 Thread Vincent-Xavier JUMEL
Le 19 mars à 17:58 dE . a écrit This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. Please give some specific bug references. Did you ever report any of your bugs ? Please be more specific, or desist ! -- Vincent-Xavier JUMEL GPG Id: 0x2E14CE70 http://thetys-retz.net

Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?

2013-03-19 Thread Kevin Chadwick
This mailing list is full of rants and complains and the KDE teams doesnt give a damn. +1 When I have gotten through, though I'm not sure this list actually works 100% of the time. Does it use greylisting or moderation? I sent a mail helping someone and it didn't get through. On the