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--- Comment #96 from Leonardo ---
Well, the bug can be closed 10 years after. A long journey!
KDE 5.24 has released the overview functionality.
In my opinion the thumbnails are a little small.
And there is no option to hide krunner or the virtual
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> Plot twist: Plasma 5.23 is apparently a "prestige" anniversary release and
> they
> are going to chisel and polish it for further MONTHS before this fix is
> available to end users.
Well, actually that turns
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No, actually the problem is that the issue is 9 years old, the decision to
implement the dimming was undisputedly and objectively wrong, and people
responsible for it not being correctly fixed on DAY ONE
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> What do you mean? Nate said the effect is being shipped with Plasma 5.23
> though
> it "may" (which I guess is now "will") not replace it until later. Is this
> wrong?
The problem we're talking about is that
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> Plot twist: Plasma 5.23 is apparently a "prestige" anniversary release and
> they are going to chisel and polish it for further MONTHS before this fix is
>
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> Plot twist: Plasma 5.23 is apparently a "prestige" anniversary release and
> they
> are going to chisel and polish it for further MONTHS before this fix is
> available to end users.
Yeah, if developers had
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Plot twist: Plasma 5.23 is apparently a "prestige" anniversary release and they
are going to chisel and polish it for further MONTHS before this fix is
available to end users.
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> > Therefore you just need to stop posting comments. There is nothing to be
> > gained by more comments, really. Just stop posting comments. The change is
> > in
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> Wow, thanks!
> When approximately will the QML present windows land in Neon User, and how
> does one activate it?
The new effect will be shipped in Plasma 5.23. It will
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> The new QML-based Present Windows effect has been merged for Plasma 5.23,
> and it does not dim the inactive/un-hovered windows. :) See
>
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Wow, thanks!
When approximately will the QML present windows land in Neon User, and how does
one activate it?
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hallelujah!
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Git commit 6132329c2c48e22d48a37e7ec40028f6faefa1fd by Vlad Zahorodnii.
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> Therefore you just need to stop posting comments. There is nothing to be
> gained by more comments, really. Just stop posting comments. The change is
> in progress, just be patient and stop posting
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> There is absolutely nothing constructive or helpful in this bug report.
This is a lie.
> Closing.
Retaliatory closing is a whole new low.
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David is simply frustrated that nobody will just shut up and let us do our work
in peace. All the inflammatory comments people post here end up in our inboxes
and depress us. ...Pointlessly so, because the QML
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Once the new QML Present Windows without dimming effect is merged, I would be
fine with closing the report, but as long as this is not the case, it should be
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* Developer's -> Developers'
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In any case, closing this report and claming it were not a bug is wrong.
You need to acknowledge that too strongly dimmed windows clearly are a
usability issue, there can be no doubt whatsoever. Since this issue
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> There is absolutely nothing constructive or helpful in this bug report.
> Closing.
No. This is completely wrong (and quite instuling towards the reporters). There
have been lots of constructive, reasoned and
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--- Comment #73 from Manuel Geißer ---
I agree that dimming should be disabled (or at least there should be an option
added to do so) in the classical Present Windows, as it will yet take time
until the new QML replacement is ready for use. It would be
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> Heh, as it turns out, a QML-based replacement is actually in active
> development over here:
> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/1177.
How
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing it.
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> Heh, as it turns out, a QML-based replacement is actually in active
> development over here:
> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/1177.
>
> So this may get
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> >I just don't wanna make him waste time.
>
> Then please don't.
>
> We have decided we want an outline or some other clear visual
> representation. There is a lot of
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--- Comment #66 from Leonardo ---
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> (In reply to Szczepan Hołyszewski from comment #56)
> Hmm, that's true. I hadn't thought about that. Thanks for bringing it up.
> Maybe it would be okay after all.
@Nate
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> @hvm @Leonardo
> Apparently there is a little misunderstanding...
Ok, got.
So maybe we could hope a 10 years birthday gift. I mean a fix from KDE.
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@hvm @Leonardo
Apparently there is a little misunderstanding. I don't mean to develop/maintain
a fork of Present Windows, I just intend(ed) to compile the version without
dimming locally (from the rejected PR,
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> Therefore, I'll look into building Present Windows myself, the version I
> like. I hope this procedure is documented and does not involve compiling the
> whole KWin.
>
>
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> > If we don't implement that, then the work is only half-finished
> > and we will get bug reports about *that*.
> It was designed to be optional. No one will bother to file a
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--- Comment #61 from Michael D ---
If I can unproblematically select windows on my workspace without any hover
animation, why wouldn't I be able to do the same when present windows is
invoked? Because the windows might appear smaller? If they were
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Lol, we've repeatedly mentioned this before. It's in the issue description,
second sentence:
> I feel that enlarging the thumbnail under the mouse is a sufficient
> indication of focus
But if you're considering
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> > Yes, that's the easy part, but then there's not enough of a visual highlight
> > for the hover or selected window
>
> Enlarging the window like it's currently
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> If we don't implement that, then the work is only half-finished
> and we will get bug reports about *that*.
It was designed to be optional. No one will bother to file a bug report.
I wonder whether it is really
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> I understand that you're upset, but insulting the people with the power do do
> what you're asking may not be the most effective technique. :)
Do you really have that power though, or do you only have
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> Yes, that's the easy part, but then there's not enough of a visual highlight
> for the hover or selected window
Enlarging the window like it's currently done is super enough. I mean it's
animation. It
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"We know that this change *will* result in a usability issue" <-> "If something
is not a direct improvement we stick to the status quo."
Contradiction in terms?
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--- Comment #54 from Manuel Geißer ---
> We know that this change *will* result in a usability issue, I know that I
> will
> get more feedback.
If something is a disimprovement, why not stick to the status quo?
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--- Comment #53 from Manuel Geißer ---
> We made a very minor changes that were purely visuals and you opened 2 bug
> reports immediately
The sole purpose of the Present Windows effect is visuals. I opened bug reports
because I saw the appearance
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>In particular, I would like to understand why you tend to stonewall our
>reasoning so much?
We made a very minor changes that were purely visuals and you opened 2 bug
reports immediately
We know that this
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(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #49)
> I understand that you're upset, but insulting the people with the power do
> do what you're asking may not be the most effective technique. :)
Don't get me wrong. I
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I think insults are not the best way.
But clearly after this
"https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/885; we will not have our
"dream feature" and there are forces acting against.
It blows my mind just
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I understand that you're upset, but insulting the people with the power do do
what you're asking may not be the most effective technique. :)
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--- Comment #48 from Manuel Geißer ---
> All the talk in the world won't change that, sorry.
Many good arguments supporting our point of view have been presented.
What's the point at continuing to ignore them? This would only demonstarte bias
and
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Yep, I concur.
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--- Comment #46 from Michael D ---
If there is no foreseeable highlight merge request, does it make sense to wait
for one? The darkening presents a major usability issue while the lack of
highlight on hover is pretty minor. Merging half-baked work
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(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #44)
> The merge request will be merged once there is a highlight effect to replace
> the darkening effect. If we don't do that, we're just replacing one issue
> with another.
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The merge request will be merged once there is a highlight effect to replace
the darkening effect. If we don't do that, we're just replacing one issue with
another.
All the talk in the world won't change that,
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I honestly don't get it: Since 9 years (!) users are arguing in a very clear
and understandable way that darkening the windows is not a good idea. Someone
sends a merge request to fix it. And what happens? -
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:/
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I'd find it reasonable, yeah. However I have no time to work on this and I'm
also not a KWin maintainer.
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--- Comment #39 from hvm ---
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> (In reply to hvm from comment #35)
> > Is it difficult to reduce the dimming effect? Right now it seems to cut a
> > lot, what if you set it to 20% or so?
> That's easy, but it
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Sure, I can reach out again. I'd love to have Parachute as essentially a
future-proof, one-stop-shop replacement for the Present Windows and Desktop
Grid effects.
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> (In reply to Szczepan Hołyszewski from comment #31)
> > We literally want the code to STOP doing something that it currently
> > ACTIVELY DOES. It is an extraordinary claim
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(In reply to hvm from comment #35)
> Is it difficult to reduce the dimming effect? Right now it seems to cut a
> lot, what if you set it to 20% or so?
That's easy, but it too doesn't really solve the problem--just
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(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #34)
> (In reply to Szczepan Hołyszewski from comment #31)
> > We literally want the code to STOP doing something that it currently
> > ACTIVELY DOES. It is an extraordinary claim
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> We literally want the code to STOP doing something that it currently
> ACTIVELY DOES. It is an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence
> to say that
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--- Comment #33 from Leonardo ---
Yes, Just comment the code.
Nate, how about give support to Parachute project? It is an excellent project
that fills the gap. Maybe put in KDE incubator. Is stable but there are few
bugs and could be a KDE project.
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Agree. Comment out the offending code. Not having an effect to show the active
window is not an issue since, as it is now, this feature is unusable.
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--- Comment #31 from Szczepan Hołyszewski ---
> There is every intention to change this, but it's simply not so simple.
We literally want the code to STOP doing something that it currently ACTIVELY
DOES. It is an extraordinary claim requiring
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You are a warrior! Almost ten years fighting for what you want.
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--- Comment #29 from Szczepan Hołyszewski ---
There is no such thing as "great workaround". A workaround is at best passable,
by definition.
Please don't detract from the severity of this issue by suggesting workarounds.
This issue **ABSOLUTELY MUST**
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Great workaround.
Problem solved!
Just try this:
https://store.kde.org/p/1370195/
More details here:
https://github.com/tcorreabr/Parachute
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> There is every intention to change this, but it's simply not so simple due
> to the very old fashioned code involved. Someone submitted a merge request
> about a year ago,
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There is every intention to change this, but it's simply not so simple due to
the very old fashioned code involved. Someone submitted a merge request about a
year ago, but abandoned it after being unable to address
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At this point I think the devs are just trolling us. They read this comment
thread and have a laugh.
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Is there a workaround?
Looks like it is too easy to fix.
I'm not a C++ developer so i can't fix it as shown here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEHC43zMIMc
Could someone attach some script or Solution here?
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Haha, good point. Well I guess the fate of my bloodline is in the developers'
hands.
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If we've failed as a species, you shouldn't be having kids! So wait to have
them until this bug gets fixed...I hope it does!
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--- Comment #21 from Murat Çileli ---
Make other windows solid black and scale active window %900. Just a usual KDE
UI/UX design idea. What a waste of time. Glad to switched to GNOME years ago.
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Counterpoint: if our children's worst problem is inactive windows in KWin's
Present Windows effect being dimmed, we're doing pretty well as a species. :)
Yes, hopefully 2021 will be the year!
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--- Comment #19 from hvm ---
So will 2021 be the year when this insanely stupid bug gets fixed? When I first
looked up this problem I was just starting university and now I'm at a phase
where I might have kids. If my kids have to search for "kde
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(I mean, a bigger enlargement effect, since the current one already enlarges
the selected window slightly)
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CC||antonio.guadag...@gmail.com
--- Comment #10 from
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303438
--- Comment #9 from Szczepan Hołyszewski ---
To whoever implemented this originally and still holds the implementation
hostage: you were wrong to implement it in the first place, you shouldn't have
done that, this misfeature is exactly 0% useful and
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