Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

2016-02-04 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:05:20 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > KDE is an end-user focused, openly governed community of free software > enthusiasts that strives to provide graphical user interfaces and > applications for end-users for all types of computers across the device > spectr

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

2016-02-04 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:10:27 AM CET Lydia Pintscher wrote: > The first draft reads as follows: > "KDE, through the creation of Free software, enables users to control > their digital life. KDE software enables privacy, makes simple things > easy and complex scenarios possible while cross

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

2016-02-04 Thread Andre Heinecke
Hi, On Wednesday 03 February 2016 14:57:02 Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 1:46:16 PM CET Luca Beltrame wrote: > > Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:40:58 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > > > to use a specific technology. It's totally fine if we go ahead and say > > > our techno

Re: [kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

2016-02-04 Thread Alexander Neundorf
Hi, On Thursday, February 04, 2016 07:53:06 Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 11:44:35 PM CET Alexander Dymo wrote: > > I reread both drafts and realized that people who have not > > participated in the development of these proposals might miss the > > important difference b

Re: [kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

2016-02-04 Thread Jaroslaw Staniek
On 4 February 2016 at 20:49, Alexander Neundorf wrote: > On Thursday, February 04, 2016 20:38:52 Boudhayan Gupta wrote: > ... >> Under the "focused" proposal, such a software would have no place in >> the KDE Project. In fact, a software, developed within KDE to address >> KDE's (not KDE users but

Re: [kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

2016-02-04 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Thursday, February 04, 2016 20:38:52 Boudhayan Gupta wrote: ... > Under the "focused" proposal, such a software would have no place in > the KDE Project. In fact, a software, developed within KDE to address > KDE's (not KDE users but the KDE Project itself) needs cannot be a > part of the KDE Pr

Re: [kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

2016-02-04 Thread Alexander Dymo
And here is where I, perhaps surprisingly to you, agree with you. Like, 100% agree. I wrote "Plasma and applications", but should have written "applications and Plasma". It's the KDE apps that shine these days. Krita, Digikam, Kdenlive, K3B, Kate, Okular, and many and many others. In my opinion K

Re: [kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

2016-02-04 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Thursday, February 4, 2016 8:53:57 AM CET Alexander Dymo wrote: > Let's take one of your examples: some imaginary sensory tech that > follows your mind. It's going to be a competitive advantage to both > Plasma and applications, for sure. Can it be a KDE project? Yes, > because it clearly brings

Re: [kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

2016-02-04 Thread Boudhayan Gupta
Hi, At this point, I need to butt in. On 4 February 2016 at 20:23, Alexander Dymo wrote: > Let's consider another example. This time it will be the imaginary > free Github replacement. This time the tech is too far away from > user-end apps and shells. Let's say it wants to join KDE. Under the >

Re: [kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

2016-02-04 Thread Alexander Dymo
Let's take one of your examples: some imaginary sensory tech that follows your mind. It's going to be a competitive advantage to both Plasma and applications, for sure. Can it be a KDE project? Yes, because it clearly brings KDE closer to its goal. And actually, both visions/missions would support

Re: [kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

2016-02-04 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Thursday, February 4, 2016 7:52:34 AM CET Alexander Dymo wrote: > Focused does not mean exclusive. Every technology (and not only > technology) that gets us to the point where all users use KDE shells > and apps (because of their superiority) is welcome. IMHO, of course. sorry, but I cannot fol

Re: [kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

2016-02-04 Thread Alexander Dymo
Focused does not mean exclusive. Every technology (and not only technology) that gets us to the point where all users use KDE shells and apps (because of their superiority) is welcome. IMHO, of course. Another point is that not everything needs to be built in house. When I started free software de

Re: [kde-community] Should we allow non-KDE projects to participate in GSoC under KDE?

2016-02-04 Thread Ivan Čukić
> Just FTR, we don't give away our own slots, but we ask for slots after > we decide how many projects we are going to select. And with that I'm completely fine. Cheerio, Ivan -- KDE, ivan.cu...@kde.org, http://cukic.co/ gpg key id: 850B6F76 ___ kde-co

Re: [kde-community] Should we allow non-KDE projects to participate in GSoC under KDE?

2016-02-04 Thread Bhushan Shah
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ivan Čukić wrote: > I am *very* against giving our slots to non-kde projects. We already > had problems with this a few years ago, I would rather avoid the > unpleasantries that happened back then. Just FTR, we don't give away our own slots, but we ask for slots af

Re: [kde-community] Should we allow non-KDE projects to participate in GSoC under KDE?

2016-02-04 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Thursday, February 4, 2016 11:38:56 AM CET Ivan Čukić wrote: > > I'm not sure whether it's against the manifesto. Is that really a > > "benefit" > > that we do some admin work for them? One could also see it as an > > I would not be against us being admins of an external project that has > its

Re: [kde-community] Should we allow non-KDE projects to participate in GSoC under KDE?

2016-02-04 Thread Ivan Čukić
> I'm not sure whether it's against the manifesto. Is that really a "benefit" > that we do some admin work for them? One could also see it as an I would not be against us being admins of an external project that has its own slots. I am *very* against giving our slots to non-kde projects. We alrea

Re: [kde-community] FOSDEM wrapup

2016-02-04 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On woensdag 3 februari 2016 12:58:58 CET Jonathan Riddell wrote: > We had a good presence at FOSDEM this year. Here's some notes while I > remember. > > Stall: > One 1 short table this year. We had a nice setup with ODROID board + HDMI > monitor (alas it wasn't a monitor which could tilt) to de

Re: [kde-community] Should we allow non-KDE projects to participate in GSoC under KDE?

2016-02-04 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On woensdag 3 februari 2016 22:28:34 CET Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > I don't even remember what I thought the last couple of times, but I > think it was something like this: > > "if these are projects that we can likely bring under our umbrella, yes, > we should, if that is not going to happen, then

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

2016-02-04 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On donderdag 4 februari 2016 07:45:54 CET Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:05:20 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > We are happy to get comments or any other feedback on this draft, and we > > are looking forward to a lively and constructive discussion about the > > f

Re: [kde-community] FOSDEM wrapup

2016-02-04 Thread José Millán Soto
El Wednesday 03 February 2016 12:58:58, Jonathan Riddell escribió: > Saturday sales: > Knitted Amigurimi Konqi Medium: 1 > KDE India T-shirts (these were very popular and we should buy more for next > year. They seem to be in Indian sizes where an XL is about a medium to us > fat Europeans.) XL re

Re: [kde-community] FOSDEM wrapup

2016-02-04 Thread Agustin Benito (toscalix)
Hi, thanks to all of you who organized the booth. Special thanks to Jonathan for organizing the dinner on Saturday. I really liked. Best Regards On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Clemens Toennies wrote: > Am 03.02.2016 um 22:13 schrieb Rohan Garg: >> >> Hey >>> >>> The Frameworks leaflets were r