Re: On the reappointment of Richard Stallman as a director of the FSF

2021-03-24 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 25/03/2021 06.15, Sven Brauch wrote: Hi Aleix, On 3/24/21 11:26 PM, Aleix Pol wrote: We have tried to sum up our thoughts in the following announcement with the hope to foster collectively the Free Software leadership we need. https://ev.kde.org/2021/03/24/on-the-reappointment-of-rms-fsf/

Re: On the reappointment of Richard Stallman as a director of the FSF

2021-03-24 Thread Alexander Potashev
Thanks for the effort Aleix! It would be nice to clarify whose opinions this linked message represents. If this is something that the KDE e.V. Board voted for, then probably a signature "KDE e.V. Board of Directors" on the bottom of the page would make sense. -- Alexander Potashev On Wed, Mar

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 24/03/2021 21.19, Marco Martin wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 2:58 PM Nate Graham wrote: Accordingly, I feel that this letter ought to be revised to target the FSF board specifically, without so much of a focus on RMS himself or calling for blanket boycotts of the FSF (what would this even

Re: On the reappointment of Richard Stallman as a director of the FSF

2021-03-24 Thread Sven Brauch
Hi Aleix, On 3/24/21 11:26 PM, Aleix Pol wrote: We have tried to sum up our thoughts in the following announcement with the hope to foster collectively the Free Software leadership we need. https://ev.kde.org/2021/03/24/on-the-reappointment-of-rms-fsf/ good work, this is a much more

Re: On the reappointment of Richard Stallman as a director of the FSF

2021-03-24 Thread Uli Klinkhammer
Dear Aleix, we all should know, that masses are a result of mass media. They just follow what they see. The monkey repeats what he perceives. Understanding this, I am in a very doubt that democratic structures as they exist today, are really reflecting a democratic system. Under this

On the reappointment of Richard Stallman as a director of the FSF

2021-03-24 Thread Aleix Pol
Dear community, >From the KDE e.V. we followed closely the discussions on the last few days regarding this recent decision within the Free Software Foundation's leadership. We have tried to sum up our thoughts in the following announcement with the hope to foster collectively the Free Software

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Marco Martin
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 2:58 PM Nate Graham wrote: > Accordingly, I feel that this letter ought to be revised to target the > FSF board specifically, without so much of a focus on RMS himself or > calling for blanket boycotts of the FSF (what would this even entail?). > I think probably everyone

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Marco Martin
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:53 PM Niccolò Ve wrote: > In answer to notm...@gmail.com: > > and i don't really have anything against RMS per se... > Even after reading the appendix? The part where he justifies child sex? or > underplayed rape? Or that saying that > children with Down's syndrome are

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Nate Graham
Hello all, I would like to re-frame the discussion a little bit into terms we may all be more familiar with. This letter we are being asked to sign is a lot like a controversial and flawed merge request: it contains elements that probably all of us agree with, elements that are

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Niccolò Ve
In answer to ren...@kde.org: > It is quite clear that we are very far from a consensus on this > question. So please, don't try to push KDE as an organization to sign > such a letter. Each people can choose to sign it under its own name or not. Three or four people against a proposal hardly count

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Marco Martin
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 9:52 PM Eike Hein wrote: > > With the dot-org hat on, I wish the Open Letter had a little bit more of a > dot-org focus instead of focusing on the individual. > > What the current controversy highlights is that FSF board changes occur > without an election and without

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Marco Martin
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 9:27 PM Jos van den Oever wrote: > "I think it is strange that, on the one hand, the tech world has been > advocating for the rights of neurodivergent people – society should accept > that people on the autism spectrum are different and that’s OK. But at the > same time

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread renard
Le 24/03/2021 à 07:36, Sune Vuorela a écrit : On 2021-03-24, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: Thanks, Carl. I would like to point out that Carl posted his suggestion to the individual people on this list. He did not propose that the KDE e.V. officially take a stand. Then I'd like to propose that KDE

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Agustin Benito (toscalix)
Hello, If we would judge the legacy of a human being by his/her behaviour, there would be no rock Best Regards Agustin Benito (toscalix) KDE eV member Profile: http://www.toscalix.com On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 10:17 AM Jos van den Oever wrote: > On woensdag 24 maart 2021 07:36:22 CET Sune

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Jos van den Oever
On woensdag 24 maart 2021 07:36:22 CET Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2021-03-24, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > > Thanks, Carl. I would like to point out that Carl posted his suggestion to > > the individual people on this list. He did not propose that the KDE e.V. > > officially take a stand. > > Then

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Halla Rempt
On Tuesday, 23 March 2021 20:49:36 CET Carl Schwan wrote: > Hello all, > like you probably heard already RMS was reinstatement to the > Board of Directors of the Free Software Foundation. RMS has > always been a negative force to the Free Software movement due > to his toxic behavior. There is an

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-24 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2021-03-24, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Thanks, Carl. I would like to point out that Carl posted his suggestion to > the individual people on this list. He did not propose that the KDE e.V. > officially take a stand. Then I'd like to propose that KDE signs it. /Sune