Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019 13:04:35 CET Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about themselves > as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE > significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking about >

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Nate Graham
On 12/5/19 8:01 AM, Dominik Haumann wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 1:24 PM Eike Hein wrote: But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't currently exist. +1 +2, let's propose fixing the problem when there actually is a problem, not when we suspect that

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Christian Loosli
And as per the suggestion, a task with a filter solution was separately created: https://phabricator.kde.org/T12322 Feel free to comment there (again, kindly keep it civil and objective, I know politics often aren't) Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 14:06:54 CET schrieb Christian Loosli: >

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Eike Hein
Let me try one more time: - We discussed this before. - We came up with consensus on a rules compromise. - We're discussing it again. - You need to make a strong case why circumstances are different and the outcome of this conversation should be different from the established consensus. - So far

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Christian Loosli
Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:44:09 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on making the KDE community > an escapist outlet where we can hide from the world around us. Completely is unlikely indeed, but the world is not black and white, and we can steer a

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Laszlo Papp
No, one particular party's political propaganda (repeatedly) exceeds getting to know someone in KDE in my opinion. Well, with that, if a KDE person does porn, or something else that is equally extreme, that could also be getting to know the person behind KDE. I think drawing a false overarching

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Eike Hein
I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on making the KDE community an escapist outlet where we can hide from the world around us. Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:39:57 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: >Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dislike that >particular

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Christian Loosli
Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dislike that particular blog post at all (probably it's even mostly my position), I dislike in general that things get more and more political, so you it's getting really hard to find projects and places where you don't have to deal with $topic

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Eike Hein
If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a problem we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a community we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from an occasional post. Let's have that trust. But let me say it again: We

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Laszlo Papp
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:28 PM Christian Loosli wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > > But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that > doesn't > > currently exist. > > I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope,

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Christian Loosli
Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't > currently exist. I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, because whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Eike Hein
But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't currently exist. Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on planet >would >post as many articles on politics as

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Christian Loosli
For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on planet would post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would be simply overcrowded with it. Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a filter for non-KDE stuff, so that people who to

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread David Edmundson
Let's avoid taking the politics to the mailing list as well please, that's even worse. David

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Eike Hein
Hi, Let's remember we had this debate before and it lead to the rules in the "Add Your Blog" popup, under which this blog post is currently fine. If you want the rules changed you need to make a good case for why the situation is different and warrants reevaluation, otherwise you're tilting at

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Laszlo Papp
That is fine. It is your opinion and probably many others'. But it is also a very controversial and divisive topic. I personally find it strange that you vote for unity in case of EU, but not in case of UK. To me, that is a contradiction. But it does not matter what I think. I think it is a fair

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
Because it's going to become all manner of fun, i feel i need to comment that Jonathan's statement here is my feelings on the situation as well. On Thursday, 5 December 2019 12:04:35 GMT Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about themselves > as

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Laszlo Papp
Yes, I also remember myself that the argument for it was not to have the planet kde as purely technical place, but also an opportunity to get to know other people behind the scenes. Maybe, an EV vote could resolve this situation. On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:53 AM Christian Loosli wrote: > Dear

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Jonathan Riddell
Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about themselves as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking about politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one reason why the

Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Christian Loosli
Dear Community, I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, but I can't find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or chat: currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a specific political party. I understand that in these