Good morning dear ladies and gentlemen
This is finally an attempt of a summary of this thread. Please see as well the
thread "KDE applications 4.14 LTS or 4.15?" on kde-devel and its summary.
But first some critic to myself. The proposal was too broad and not specific
enough.
First a summary o
On Saturday, 2014-05-03, 16:56:05, Martin Klapetek wrote:
> I'm putting this reply separately as it's not directly related to the
> previous one...
>
> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote:
> > Also: changing names all the time and making releases for "KDE sc and
> > x and y
On Saturday, May 3, 2014, Martin Klapetek wrote:
called "KDE Framework" a lot as one single framework is more common in IT
world; Qt is a framework too after all (no trailing s)), the rest is a bit
blurry, so people just go "KDE5" as it's simple and everybody understands
what is meant by that.
> M
I'm putting this reply separately as it's not directly related to the
previous one...
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote:
>
> Also: changing names all the time and making releases for "KDE sc and
> x and y and z and plasma and don't call it KDE" are just not working,
> di
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote:
>
> Very simple: we try to get our releases out for the users and try to
> get into major distributions (not rolling ones), not for our own
> schedule's sake. And fixed release cycles are one thing, but the
> availability of the devs to
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On Saturday 03 May 2014 09:58:14 Myriam Schweingruber wrote:
>> Hi Jos,
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Jos Poortvliet
>> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > So, I thought to get rid of the X month schedule that apps have to fit
>> > into + sepa
On Saturday 03 May 2014 09:58:14 Myriam Schweingruber wrote:
> Hi Jos,
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Jos Poortvliet
> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > So, I thought to get rid of the X month schedule that apps have to fit
> > into + separate releases for apps that don't want it. Especially now we
> >
Hi Jos,
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
...
> So, I thought to get rid of the X month schedule that apps have to fit into +
> separate releases for apps that don't want it. Especially now we have
> Frameworks AND applications AND Plasma AND Calligra AND amarok, AND bugfix
>
On Friday 02 of May 2014 19:53:47 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> * we know there's a release every month. That might seem more often than
> now, but honestly - we DO have releases *multiple times* per month already.
Not at the same rate as it will go, I think: one thing is to release (these
days) 4.11.
On Thursday 01 May 2014 15:22:49 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El Dijous, 1 de maig de 2014, a les 15:02:36, Luigi Toscano va escriure:
> > Albert Astals Cid ha scritto:
> > > El Dimecres, 30 d'abril de 2014, a les 21:36:14, Jaroslaw Staniek va
>
> escriure:
> > >> [..]
> > >>
> > >> I'd like to say
On Thursday 01 May 2014 14:50:44 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El Dimecres, 30 d'abril de 2014, a les 10:48:44, Jos Poortvliet va
escriure:
> > On Monday 28 April 2014 11:08:34 Martin Klapetek wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Jos Poortvliet <
> > >
> > > jospoortvlietstanburd...@gmail.
> There are a few reaons to sync releases:
> * Most of the devels of "KDE Applications" apps don't want to do the
> releases
> themselves after 15 years of a release team doing it for them
> * Having synched release schedules for "KDE Applications" like we have done
> for 15 years allows me to k
El Dijous, 1 de maig de 2014, a les 15:02:36, Luigi Toscano va escriure:
> Albert Astals Cid ha scritto:
> > El Dimecres, 30 d'abril de 2014, a les 21:36:14, Jaroslaw Staniek va
escriure:
> >> [..]
> >>
> >> I'd like to say thank you to everyone that shares personal opinion.
> >> Here's
> >> mine
Albert Astals Cid ha scritto:
> El Dimecres, 30 d'abril de 2014, a les 21:36:14, Jaroslaw Staniek va escriure:
>> [..]
>>
>> I'd like to say thank you to everyone that shares personal opinion. Here's
>> mine.
>>
>> (While reading this please note that geek power users isn't a primary
>> audience fo
El Dimecres, 30 d'abril de 2014, a les 21:36:14, Jaroslaw Staniek va escriure:
> [..]
>
> I'd like to say thank you to everyone that shares personal opinion. Here's
> mine.
>
> (While reading this please note that geek power users isn't a primary
> audience for apps I am contributing to)
>
> - 3
El Dimecres, 30 d'abril de 2014, a les 10:48:44, Jos Poortvliet va escriure:
> On Monday 28 April 2014 11:08:34 Martin Klapetek wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Jos Poortvliet <
> >
> > jospoortvlietstanburd...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > I think the idea of grouping releases ('Sigma'?) i
On 25 April 2014 22:12, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On Thursday 24 April 2014 23:23:28 Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
>> On 22 April 2014 11:31, Mario Fux wrote:
>> > Proposal:
>> > Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and release
>> > the other apps in independent groups or suites l
On Wednesday 30 April 2014 13:04:16 Martin Klapetek wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jos Poortvliet
wrote:
> > But if anybody knows a good reason to sync, say so please.
>
> To be honest I don't see the point of my application actually joining the
> joint release...
Well, the only poi
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On Monday 28 April 2014 11:08:34 Martin Klapetek wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Jos Poortvliet <
> >
> > jospoortvlietstanburd...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > I think the idea of grouping releases ('Sigma'?) is a good one. How
> a
On Monday 28 April 2014 11:08:34 Martin Klapetek wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Jos Poortvliet <
>
> jospoortvlietstanburd...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > I think the idea of grouping releases ('Sigma'?) is a good one. How about
> > we
> > start there. Let's give Applications more freedom, y
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Jos Poortvliet <
jospoortvlietstanburd...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> I think the idea of grouping releases ('Sigma'?) is a good one. How about
> we
> start there. Let's give Applications more freedom, yet allow them to be
> part
> of the 'bunch', yes? Calligra, Amarok
On Thursday 24 April 2014 23:23:28 Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
> On 22 April 2014 11:31, Mario Fux wrote:
> > Proposal:
> > Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and release
> > the other apps in independent groups or suites like e.g. KDE Edu, KDE
> > Games, KDE PIM, Amarok or t
Hi,
>
> On the other hand you are totally right. KDE has always had a problem to
> get people to accept KDE applications on other desktops since "KDE foo" has
> always been interpreted as "foo for KDE (the desktop)" rather than "foo
> from KDE (the community)". With our rebranding of KDE going f
On Thursday 24 April 2014 22:57:07 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > What we currently call Plasma Desktop is not a full desktop suite because
> > it lacks many applications that, arguably, are not related to Plasma but
> > Plasma depends on, again like Dolphin.
>
> Why does Plasma depend on Dolphin?
On Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:59:09 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > * Considering that we're now pushing the "Plasma" brand. Perhaps we want
> > to
> > look at these apps as part of the full Plasma experience.
>
> No, I don't want us to call "Okular" -> "Plasma Okular" or "Plasma Document
> View
On Thursday, April 24, 2014 22:57:07 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> >
> > What we currently call Plasma Desktop is not a full desktop suite because
> > it lacks many applications that, arguably, are not related to Plasma but
> > Plasma depends on, again like Dolphin.
>
> Why does Plasma depend on Do
On Thursday, April 24, 2014 22:59:09 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > * Considering that we're now pushing the "Plasma" brand. Perhaps we want
> > to
> > look at these apps as part of the full Plasma experience.
>
> No, I don't want us to call "Okular" -> "Plasma Okular" or "Plasma Document
> Viewer"
On 22 April 2014 11:31, Mario Fux wrote:
> Proposal:
> Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and release the
> other apps in independent groups or suites like e.g. KDE Edu, KDE Games, KDE
> PIM, Amarok or the Calligra Suite.
>
> Details:
> We could decide on a group of KDE C
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El Dijous, 24 d'abril de 2014, a les 12:02:38, Aleix Pol va escriure:
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Albert Astals Cid
> wrote:
> > > El Dimarts, 22 d'abril de 2014, a les 11:31:02, Mario Fux va escriure:
> > > > Proposal:
> > >
El Dijous, 24 d'abril de 2014, a les 19:07:32, Vishesh Handa va escriure:
> On Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:02:38 PM Aleix Pol wrote:
> > > Next steps:
> > > - Work on the definition for the KDE Core Apps (for Desktop).
> > > - Decide on the applications that fulfill this definition.
> > > - Define
El Dijous, 24 d'abril de 2014, a les 12:02:38, Aleix Pol va escriure:
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > El Dimarts, 22 d'abril de 2014, a les 11:31:02, Mario Fux va escriure:
> > > Proposal:
> > > Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and relea
On Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:02:38 PM Aleix Pol wrote:
> > Next steps:
> > - Work on the definition for the KDE Core Apps (for Desktop).
> > - Decide on the applications that fulfill this definition.
> > - Define the minimum requirements these core apps need to fulfill to be
> > released.
> > - S
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El Dimarts, 22 d'abril de 2014, a les 11:31:02, Mario Fux va escriure:
> > Proposal:
> > Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and release
> the
> > other apps in independent groups or suites like e.g. KDE Edu, KD
El Dimarts, 22 d'abril de 2014, a les 11:53:19, Luigi Toscano va escriure:
> On Tuesday 22 of April 2014 11:31:02 Mario Fux wrote:
> > About the current modules [1] we have and released it's a very unbalanced
> > thing. Just compare KDEAdmin or KDEToys with KDEEdu or KDEPIM. So I think
> > a
> > re
El Dimarts, 22 d'abril de 2014, a les 11:31:02, Mario Fux va escriure:
> Proposal:
> Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and release the
> other apps in independent groups or suites like e.g. KDE Edu, KDE Games,
> KDE PIM, Amarok or the Calligra Suite.
>
> Details:
> We co
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Mario Fux wrote:
> Proposal:
> Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and release
> the
> other apps in independent groups or suites like e.g. KDE Edu, KDE Games,
> KDE
> PIM, Amarok or the Calligra Suite.
>
> Details:
> We could decide on a
On Tuesday 22 of April 2014 11:31:02 Mario Fux wrote:
> About the current modules [1] we have and released it's a very unbalanced
> thing. Just compare KDEAdmin or KDEToys with KDEEdu or KDEPIM. So I think a
> reduction and rearrangement is the best thing.
Just a very tiny note for the record: w
Proposal:
Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and release the
other apps in independent groups or suites like e.g. KDE Edu, KDE Games, KDE
PIM, Amarok or the Calligra Suite.
Details:
We could decide on a group of KDE Core Apps (for the Desktop) based on a
definition lik
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