Re: Planet KDE posts not about KDE (was: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed)
Hello, On Sat, 14 Dec 2019, 8:58 pm Alexander Neundorf, wrote: > On Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 22:23:10 CET Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > ... > > The purpose of the planet is not to give news, is not to soothe troubled > > breasts, is not to provide PR, it's a place where blogs by KDE developers > > are brought together, and yes, that means that you will see other parts > of > > those KDE developer's lifes. This is healthy; too many people believe > that > > working on free, kde, open, source, software is the only thing we do or > > are. Let them learn. > > > > I don't want people to see only the KDE, Krita part of my life, but also > the > > rest of what I am. > > +1 > +1 > > Alex > > > >
Re: Planet KDE posts not about KDE (was: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed)
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 12:58 PM Alexander Neundorf wrote: > On Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 22:23:10 CET Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > ... > > The purpose of the planet is not to give news, is not to soothe troubled > > breasts, is not to provide PR, it's a place where blogs by KDE developers > > are brought together, and yes, that means that you will see other parts > of > > those KDE developer's lifes. This is healthy; too many people believe > that > > working on free, kde, open, source, software is the only thing we do or > > are. Let them learn. > > > > I don't want people to see only the KDE, Krita part of my life, but also > the > > rest of what I am. > > +1 > > Alex > This is also why I read the planet. Other feeds I read (Linuxchix, Ubuntu) are similar. Valorie
Re: Planet KDE posts not about KDE (was: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed)
On Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 22:23:10 CET Boudewijn Rempt wrote: ... > The purpose of the planet is not to give news, is not to soothe troubled > breasts, is not to provide PR, it's a place where blogs by KDE developers > are brought together, and yes, that means that you will see other parts of > those KDE developer's lifes. This is healthy; too many people believe that > working on free, kde, open, source, software is the only thing we do or > are. Let them learn. > > I don't want people to see only the KDE, Krita part of my life, but also the > rest of what I am. +1 Alex
Re: Planet KDE posts not about KDE (was: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed)
On woensdag 11 december 2019 14:58:38 CET Christian Loosli wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019, 03:55:15 CET schrieb Martin Klapetek: > > [...] > > > I'm afraid the problem is already there. The problem starts from the > > > moment a member posts an unrelated post, when someone who is not > > > interested in it starts reading. > > > > But how is that problem of the Planet? > > I guess it is a matter of expectations. From the feedback that I got, a > couple > of people consider the planet to be about KDE and are thus estranged when > controversial subjects such as politics do come up. Yes, there will always be people who find it weird when the world doesn't conform to their expectations. Tough luck, or a learning experience. My own blog was added to planetkde before there were any rules whatsoever, and I warned the people doing that that I would post about whatever occupied my mind, and I even posted religious posts, which actually got decried by the Gnome Games maintainer, back then (https://valdyas.org/fading/software/kio-sword/). Fabricatem diem meum, punc, is my answer. The purpose of the planet is not to give news, is not to soothe troubled breasts, is not to provide PR, it's a place where blogs by KDE developers are brought together, and yes, that means that you will see other parts of those KDE developer's lifes. This is healthy; too many people believe that working on free, kde, open, source, software is the only thing we do or are. Let them learn. I don't want people to see only the KDE, Krita part of my life, but also the rest of what I am. -- https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
Re: Planet KDE posts not about KDE (was: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed)
Am Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019, 03:55:15 CET schrieb Martin Klapetek: > [...] > > I'm afraid the problem is already there. The problem starts from the > > moment a member posts an unrelated post, when someone who is not > > interested in it starts reading. > > But how is that problem of the Planet? I guess it is a matter of expectations. From the feedback that I got, a couple of people consider the planet to be about KDE and are thus estranged when controversial subjects such as politics do come up. > If the reader decides to > read something, then the reader can't blame the medium for giving > them the opportunity to read that. It's always up to readers to decide > whether they want to read something or not. The choice is theirs already. Sure, due to how the planet is set-up and depending on the blog post(s) in question, it can be a bit cluttered up / makes it harder to find the content the above named people came to planet for. Hence offering the idea of a filter, which would allow these people to read what they came to the planet for, which is directly KDE related content. Of course one can decide that we do not want to create that opportunity for these people due to technical, effort-versus-gain or many other valid reasons, that will in my opinion just to lead to these people being alienated and not reading the planet. Which is why I think a filter would be nice, but I'm most certainly not going to die on that hill. > Cheers > -- > Martin Klapetek Kind regards, Christian
Re: Planet KDE posts not about KDE (was: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed)
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:01 PM Philippe Cloutier wrote: > Le 2019-12-05 à 10:45, Nate Graham a écrit : > > > > > > On 12/5/19 8:01 AM, Dominik Haumann wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 1:24 PM Eike Hein wrote: > >>> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that > >>> doesn't currently exist. > >> > >> +1 > >> > > > > +2, let's propose fixing the problem when there actually is a problem, > > not when we suspect that there might at some future point be a problem > > if people don't behave well. > > > I'm afraid the problem is already there. The problem starts from the > moment a member posts an unrelated post, when someone who is not > interested in it starts reading. > But how is that problem of the Planet? If the reader decides to read something, then the reader can't blame the medium for giving them the opportunity to read that. It's always up to readers to decide whether they want to read something or not. The choice is theirs already. That said, I also see no issue with occasional not-entirely-KDE-related posts on the Planet. If I'm not interested in a post, I simply scroll past it. Cheers -- Martin Klapetek
Planet KDE posts not about KDE (was: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed)
Le 2019-12-05 à 10:45, Nate Graham a écrit : On 12/5/19 8:01 AM, Dominik Haumann wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 1:24 PM Eike Hein wrote: But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't currently exist. +1 +2, let's propose fixing the problem when there actually is a problem, not when we suspect that there might at some future point be a problem if people don't behave well. I'm afraid the problem is already there. The problem starts from the moment a member posts an unrelated post, when someone who is not interested in it starts reading. I would prefer to put my trust in the community behaving well so we don't need a bunch of rules to govern behavior. The rule is already there. What Christian proposed is not a rule, but a filter to allow readers to get a feed better matching what they look for. That being said, while Christian's proposal is not bad, in reality, every one of us is somewhere on a spectrum of interest for blog posts about KDE, and somewhere on a spectrum of interest for blog posts by KDE contributors about topics other than KDE. I believe the best solution can only be reached by defining each post's level of KDE interest and level of non-KDE interest, and each reader's position on these spectrums. In fact, in particular for cases like politics, for which some people have very little interest while some have a lot, collaborative filtering would provide the very best results. But realistically, that would require too much investment, unless this is implemented for more than Planet KDE, also for other KDE systems. -- Philippe Cloutier http://www.philippecloutier.com
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
On Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019 13:04:35 CET Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about themselves > as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE > significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking about > politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one reason why > the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion > currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion blogs. > If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. +1 Alex
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
On 12/5/19 8:01 AM, Dominik Haumann wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 1:24 PM Eike Hein wrote: But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't currently exist. +1 +2, let's propose fixing the problem when there actually is a problem, not when we suspect that there might at some future point be a problem if people don't behave well. I would prefer to put my trust in the community behaving well so we don't need a bunch of rules to govern behavior. Nate
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
And as per the suggestion, a task with a filter solution was separately created: https://phabricator.kde.org/T12322 Feel free to comment there (again, kindly keep it civil and objective, I know politics often aren't) Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 14:06:54 CET schrieb Christian Loosli: > Someone created a task on phab for people interested, > https://phabricator.kde.org/T12321 > > Please keep it civil and objective, thanks :) > > Kind regards, > > Christian > > Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 12:52:36 CET schrieb Christian Loosli: > > Dear Community, > > > > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, but I > > can't find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or > > chat: > > > > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a > > specific political party. I understand that in these times there are many > > countries with heated and important political debates, and some very > > important global topics as well. However, these already occupy all the > > news site. > > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political subject > > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet another > > political news/opinions feed. > > > > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about KDE, I > > go > > to planet.kde.org. > > > > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose which of > > your blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very > > important to you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but > > please keep the planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a > > mess where it's hard to find the content people actually go there for. > > > > Thanks and kind regards, > > > > Christian
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
Let me try one more time: - We discussed this before. - We came up with consensus on a rules compromise. - We're discussing it again. - You need to make a strong case why circumstances are different and the outcome of this conversation should be different from the established consensus. - So far you're just repeating arguments. - None of the arguments are in reference to the documented rules (even though the filter thing, which would require categorization by authors, could be written in such a way). Consensus exists and is documented so we don't repeat debates from square one every time. Doing so anyway just because you don't agree with your peers is disrespecting others' time and not behavior appropriate for the community list, where we get *together* instead of running our own show. This is particular so because this debate does happen in context of a particular blog post and individuals in a community deserve protection from mobs. Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:47:16 PM GMT+01:00, Laszlo Papp wrote: >No, one particular party's political propaganda (repeatedly) exceeds >getting to know someone in KDE in my opinion. > >Well, with that, if a KDE person does porn, or something else that is >equally extreme, that could also be getting to know the person behind >KDE. > >I think drawing a false overarching conclusion is wrong. I am calling >particularly out on Brexit (and maybe political) propaganda. I am >personally not against reading a cycling trip in Europe (just an >example >from the past) which is not so divisive as politics and Brexit in >particular. > >On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:36 PM Eike Hein wrote: > >> If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a >> problem we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As >a >> community we're smart enough to understand that it's a different >reality >> from an occasional post. Let's have that trust. >> >> But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical >you've >> laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is >> different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus >we >> already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like >having the >> Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of >> losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a >news >> feed, it's a community aggregator. >> >> Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog >post >> is not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come >up >> with something. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Eike >> >> >> >> On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli < >> k...@fuchsnet.ch> wrote: >>> >>> Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >>> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that >doesn't currently exist. >>> >>> I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, >because >>> whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other >person was >>> allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness. >>> >>> Cheers, Eike >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli > >>> wrote: >>> For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on >planet > would > post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would >be > simply > overcrowded with it. > > Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be >a > filter for > non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, >well, > KDE, > could filter all that stuff out. > > Kind regards, > > Christian > > Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan >Riddell: > >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about >> > > themselves > > as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE >> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that >talking >> > > about > > politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one >> > > reason why > > the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political >opinion >> > > blogs. > > If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog >> > > should be > > about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects >> > > are also > > encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the >> > > developers > > behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that >rule. >> >> Jonathan >> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:44:09 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on making the KDE community > an escapist outlet where we can hide from the world around us. Completely is unlikely indeed, but the world is not black and white, and we can steer a bit what places are affected and what places are not (e.g. the comment in the other thread about "please no politics on the mailing lists"). Professional environments seem to manage quite fine to get up some sort of separation, so maybe we can, too. > Cheers, > Eike Kind regards, Christian > On December 5, 2019 1:39:57 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: > >Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dislike that > >particular blog > >post at all (probably it's even mostly my position), I dislike in > >general that > >things get more and more political, so you it's getting really hard to > >find > >projects and places where you don't have to deal with $topic (insert > >controversial stuff like Brexit, Bolsonaro, Trump, Fidesz, ... I'm sure > >every > >country and region has its fair share) because you originally came to > >these > >places for something other than politics. > > > >As the bar has a different height for different people, I already made > >a > >suggestion: simply create a category for it and allow to filter, as we > >already > >allow to filter by language. > > > >Kind regards, > > > >Christian > > > >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:36:36 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > >> If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a > > > >problem > > > >> we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a > > > >community > > > >> we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from > > > >an > > > >> occasional post. Let's have that trust. > >> > >> But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical > > > >you've > > > >> laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is > >> different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus > > > >we > > > >> already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like > > > >having the > > > >> Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of > >> losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a > > > >news > > > >> feed, it's a community aggregator. > >> > >> Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog > > > >post is > > > >> not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up > > > >with > > > >> something. > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Eike > >> > >> On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli > > > > > > > >wrote: > >> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > >> >> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem > > > >that > > > >> >doesn't > >> > > >> >> currently exist. > >> > > >> >I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, > >> >because > >> >whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other > >> >person was > >> >allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness. > >> > > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> Eike > >> > > >> >Kind regards, > >> > > >> >Christian > >> > > >> >> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >wrote: > >> >> >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on > >> > > >> >planet > >> > > >> >> >would > >> >> >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet > > > >would > > > >> >be > >> > > >> >> >simply > >> >> >overcrowded with it. > >> >> > > >> >> >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be > > > >a > > > >> >> >filter for > >> >> >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, > >> > > >> >well, > >> > > >> >> >KDE, > >> >> >could filter all that stuff out. > >> >> > > >> >> >Kind regards, > >> >> > > >> >> >Christian > >> >> > > >> >> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan > >> > > >> >Riddell: > >> >> >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information > > > >about > > > >> >> >themselves > >> >> > > >> >> >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect > > > >KDE > > > >> >> >> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that > >> > > >> >talking > >> > > >> >> >about > >> >> > > >> >> >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is > > > >one > > > >> >> >reason why > >> >> > > >> >> >> the populists have taken over so much of the political > > > >discussion > > > >> >> >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political > > > >opinion > > > >> >> >blogs. > >> >> > > >> >> >> If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your > > > >blog > > > >> >> >should be > >> >> > > >> >> >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal > > > >subjects > > >
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
No, one particular party's political propaganda (repeatedly) exceeds getting to know someone in KDE in my opinion. Well, with that, if a KDE person does porn, or something else that is equally extreme, that could also be getting to know the person behind KDE. I think drawing a false overarching conclusion is wrong. I am calling particularly out on Brexit (and maybe political) propaganda. I am personally not against reading a cycling trip in Europe (just an example from the past) which is not so divisive as politics and Brexit in particular. On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:36 PM Eike Hein wrote: > If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a > problem we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a > community we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality > from an occasional post. Let's have that trust. > > But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical you've > laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is > different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus we > already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like having the > Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of > losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a news > feed, it's a community aggregator. > > Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog post > is not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up > with something. > > > Cheers, > Eike > > > > On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli < > k...@fuchsnet.ch> wrote: >> >> Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >> >>> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't >>> currently exist. >>> >> >> I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, because >> whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other person >> was >> allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness. >> >> Cheers, >>> Eike >>> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Christian >> >> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli >>> >> wrote: >> >>> For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on planet would post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would be simply overcrowded with it. Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a filter for non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, well, KDE, could filter all that stuff out. Kind regards, Christian Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about > themselves as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE > significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking > about politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one > reason why the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion > currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion > blogs. If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. > > The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog > should be about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects > are also encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the > developers behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that rule. > > Jonathan > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli > wrote: > Dear Community, >> >> I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, >> > but I can't >> find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or >> > chat: > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a >> specific >> political party. I understand that in these times there are many >> > countries with heated and important political debates, and some very >> > important global >> topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. >> Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political >> > subject that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet >> another >> political news/opinions feed. >> >> If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about >> > KDE, I go to >> planet.kde.org. >> >> Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose >> > which of your >> blogs do show up on the planet. I
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on making the KDE community an escapist outlet where we can hide from the world around us. Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:39:57 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: >Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dislike that >particular blog >post at all (probably it's even mostly my position), I dislike in >general that >things get more and more political, so you it's getting really hard to >find >projects and places where you don't have to deal with $topic (insert >controversial stuff like Brexit, Bolsonaro, Trump, Fidesz, ... I'm sure >every >country and region has its fair share) because you originally came to >these >places for something other than politics. > >As the bar has a different height for different people, I already made >a >suggestion: simply create a category for it and allow to filter, as we >already >allow to filter by language. > >Kind regards, > >Christian > >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:36:36 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >> If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a >problem >> we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a >community >> we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from >an >> occasional post. Let's have that trust. >> >> But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical >you've >> laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is >> different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus >we >> already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like >having the >> Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of >> losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a >news >> feed, it's a community aggregator. >> >> Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog >post is >> not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up >with >> something. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Eike >> >> On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli > >wrote: >> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >> >> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem >that >> > >> >doesn't >> > >> >> currently exist. >> > >> >I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, >> >because >> >whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other >> >person was >> >allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness. >> > >> >> Cheers, >> >> Eike >> > >> >Kind regards, >> > >> >Christian >> > >> >> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli >> > >> > >> > >> >wrote: >> >> >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on >> > >> >planet >> > >> >> >would >> >> >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet >would >> > >> >be >> > >> >> >simply >> >> >overcrowded with it. >> >> > >> >> >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be >a >> >> >filter for >> >> >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, >> > >> >well, >> > >> >> >KDE, >> >> >could filter all that stuff out. >> >> > >> >> >Kind regards, >> >> > >> >> >Christian >> >> > >> >> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan >> > >> >Riddell: >> >> >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information >about >> >> > >> >> >themselves >> >> > >> >> >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect >KDE >> >> >> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that >> > >> >talking >> > >> >> >about >> >> > >> >> >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is >one >> >> > >> >> >reason why >> >> > >> >> >> the populists have taken over so much of the political >discussion >> >> >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political >opinion >> >> > >> >> >blogs. >> >> > >> >> >> If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. >> >> >> >> >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your >blog >> >> > >> >> >should be >> >> > >> >> >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal >subjects >> >> > >> >> >are also >> >> > >> >> >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the >> >> > >> >> >developers >> >> > >> >> >> behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that >> > >> >rule. >> > >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli >> >> > >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> > Dear Community, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same >> > >> >blog, >> > >> >> >but I >> >> > >> >> >> > can't >> >> >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on >forums >> > >> >or >> > >> >> >chat: >> >> >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting >> > >> >for a >> > >> >> >> > specific >> >> >> > political party. I understand that in these times there are >many >> >> > >> >> >countries >> >> >
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dislike that particular blog post at all (probably it's even mostly my position), I dislike in general that things get more and more political, so you it's getting really hard to find projects and places where you don't have to deal with $topic (insert controversial stuff like Brexit, Bolsonaro, Trump, Fidesz, ... I'm sure every country and region has its fair share) because you originally came to these places for something other than politics. As the bar has a different height for different people, I already made a suggestion: simply create a category for it and allow to filter, as we already allow to filter by language. Kind regards, Christian Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:36:36 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a problem > we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a community > we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from an > occasional post. Let's have that trust. > > But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical you've > laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is > different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus we > already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like having the > Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of > losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a news > feed, it's a community aggregator. > > Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog post is > not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up with > something. > > > Cheers, > Eike > > On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: > >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > >> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that > > > >doesn't > > > >> currently exist. > > > >I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, > >because > >whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other > >person was > >allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness. > > > >> Cheers, > >> Eike > > > >Kind regards, > > > >Christian > > > >> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli > > > > > > > >wrote: > >> >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on > > > >planet > > > >> >would > >> >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would > > > >be > > > >> >simply > >> >overcrowded with it. > >> > > >> >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a > >> >filter for > >> >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, > > > >well, > > > >> >KDE, > >> >could filter all that stuff out. > >> > > >> >Kind regards, > >> > > >> >Christian > >> > > >> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan > > > >Riddell: > >> >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about > >> > > >> >themselves > >> > > >> >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE > >> >> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that > > > >talking > > > >> >about > >> > > >> >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one > >> > > >> >reason why > >> > > >> >> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion > >> >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion > >> > > >> >blogs. > >> > > >> >> If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. > >> >> > >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog > >> > > >> >should be > >> > > >> >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects > >> > > >> >are also > >> > > >> >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the > >> > > >> >developers > >> > > >> >> behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that > > > >rule. > > > >> >> Jonathan > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli > >> > > >> >wrote: > >> >> > Dear Community, > >> >> > > >> >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same > > > >blog, > > > >> >but I > >> > > >> >> > can't > >> >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums > > > >or > > > >> >chat: > >> >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting > > > >for a > > > >> >> > specific > >> >> > political party. I understand that in these times there are many > >> > > >> >countries > >> > > >> >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very > >> > > >> >important > >> > > >> >> > global > >> >> > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. > >> >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a > > > >political > > > >> >subject > >> > > >> >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be > > > >yet > > > >> >> > another > >> >>
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a problem we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a community we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from an occasional post. Let's have that trust. But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical you've laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus we already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like having the Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a news feed, it's a community aggregator. Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog post is not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up with something. Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that >doesn't >> currently exist. > >I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, >because >whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other >person was >allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness. > >> Cheers, >> Eike > >Kind regards, > >Christian > >> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli > >wrote: >> >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on >planet >> >would >> >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would >be >> >simply >> >overcrowded with it. >> > >> >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a >> >filter for >> >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, >well, >> >KDE, >> >could filter all that stuff out. >> > >> >Kind regards, >> > >> >Christian >> > >> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan >Riddell: >> >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about >> > >> >themselves >> > >> >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE >> >> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that >talking >> > >> >about >> > >> >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one >> > >> >reason why >> > >> >> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion >> >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion >> > >> >blogs. >> > >> >> If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. >> >> >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog >> > >> >should be >> > >> >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects >> > >> >are also >> > >> >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the >> > >> >developers >> > >> >> behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that >rule. >> >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli >> > >> >wrote: >> >> > Dear Community, >> >> > >> >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same >blog, >> > >> >but I >> > >> >> > can't >> >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums >or >> > >> >chat: >> >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting >for a >> >> > specific >> >> > political party. I understand that in these times there are many >> > >> >countries >> > >> >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very >> > >> >important >> > >> >> > global >> >> > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. >> >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a >political >> > >> >subject >> > >> >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be >yet >> >> > another >> >> > political news/opinions feed. >> >> > >> >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read >about >> > >> >KDE, I >> > >> >> > go to >> >> > planet.kde.org. >> >> > >> >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose >> > >> >which of >> > >> >> > your >> >> > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very >> > >> >important >> > >> >> > to >> >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please >keep >> > >> >the >> > >> >> > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess >where >> > >> >it's >> > >> >> > hard to >> >> > find the content people actually go there for. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks and kind regards, >> >> > >> >> > Christian -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:28 PM Christian Loosli wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > > But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that > doesn't > > currently exist. > > I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, because > whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other person > was > allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness. > Yes, absolutely. I understood and appreciated that this discussion is about a long-term sustainable goal. It is not just a strategy for today just as the KDE manifesto is for a long-term and sustainable vision. Besides that, brexit has divided nations, families, friends, relationships, and the world at large into a very depressive state. It is just not what I also want to flow from the planet KDE tap. So, I find it hard to comprehend and read that nothing has changed. With the referendum, things have changed big times, more than ever as far as recent UK times are concerned. > > > Cheers, > > Eike > > Kind regards, > > Christian > > > On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli < > k...@fuchsnet.ch> > wrote: > > >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on planet > > >would > > >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would be > > >simply > > >overcrowded with it. > > > > > >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a > > >filter for > > >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, well, > > >KDE, > > >could filter all that stuff out. > > > > > >Kind regards, > > > > > >Christian > > > > > >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > > >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about > > > > > >themselves > > > > > >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE > > >> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking > > > > > >about > > > > > >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one > > > > > >reason why > > > > > >> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion > > >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion > > > > > >blogs. > > > > > >> If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. > > >> > > >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog > > > > > >should be > > > > > >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects > > > > > >are also > > > > > >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the > > > > > >developers > > > > > >> behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that rule. > > >> > > >> Jonathan > > >> > > >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli > > > > > >wrote: > > >> > Dear Community, > > >> > > > >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, > > > > > >but I > > > > > >> > can't > > >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or > > > > > >chat: > > >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a > > >> > specific > > >> > political party. I understand that in these times there are many > > > > > >countries > > > > > >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very > > > > > >important > > > > > >> > global > > >> > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. > > >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political > > > > > >subject > > > > > >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet > > >> > another > > >> > political news/opinions feed. > > >> > > > >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about > > > > > >KDE, I > > > > > >> > go to > > >> > planet.kde.org. > > >> > > > >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose > > > > > >which of > > > > > >> > your > > >> > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very > > > > > >important > > > > > >> > to > > >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep > > > > > >the > > > > > >> > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where > > > > > >it's > > > > > >> > hard to > > >> > find the content people actually go there for. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks and kind regards, > > >> > > > >> > Christian > > > > >
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't > currently exist. I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, because whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other person was allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness. > Cheers, > Eike Kind regards, Christian > On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: > >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on planet > >would > >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would be > >simply > >overcrowded with it. > > > >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a > >filter for > >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, well, > >KDE, > >could filter all that stuff out. > > > >Kind regards, > > > >Christian > > > >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about > > > >themselves > > > >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE > >> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking > > > >about > > > >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one > > > >reason why > > > >> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion > >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion > > > >blogs. > > > >> If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. > >> > >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog > > > >should be > > > >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects > > > >are also > > > >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the > > > >developers > > > >> behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that rule. > >> > >> Jonathan > >> > >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli > > > >wrote: > >> > Dear Community, > >> > > >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, > > > >but I > > > >> > can't > >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or > > > >chat: > >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a > >> > specific > >> > political party. I understand that in these times there are many > > > >countries > > > >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very > > > >important > > > >> > global > >> > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. > >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political > > > >subject > > > >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet > >> > another > >> > political news/opinions feed. > >> > > >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about > > > >KDE, I > > > >> > go to > >> > planet.kde.org. > >> > > >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose > > > >which of > > > >> > your > >> > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very > > > >important > > > >> > to > >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep > > > >the > > > >> > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where > > > >it's > > > >> > hard to > >> > find the content people actually go there for. > >> > > >> > Thanks and kind regards, > >> > > >> > Christian
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't currently exist. Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on planet >would >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would be >simply >overcrowded with it. > >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a >filter for >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, well, >KDE, >could filter all that stuff out. > >Kind regards, > >Christian > >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Riddell: >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about >themselves >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE >> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking >about >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one >reason why >> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion >blogs. >> If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog >should be >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects >are also >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the >developers >> behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that rule. >> >> Jonathan >> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli >wrote: >> > Dear Community, >> > >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, >but I >> > can't >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or >chat: >> > >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a >> > specific >> > political party. I understand that in these times there are many >countries >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very >important >> > global >> > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political >subject >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet >> > another >> > political news/opinions feed. >> > >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about >KDE, I >> > go to >> > planet.kde.org. >> > >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose >which of >> > your >> > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very >important >> > to >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep >the >> > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where >it's >> > hard to >> > find the content people actually go there for. >> > >> > Thanks and kind regards, >> > >> > Christian -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on planet would post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would be simply overcrowded with it. Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a filter for non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, well, KDE, could filter all that stuff out. Kind regards, Christian Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about themselves > as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE > significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking about > politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one reason why > the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion > currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion blogs. > If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. > > The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog should be > about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects are also > encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the developers > behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that rule. > > Jonathan > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli wrote: > > Dear Community, > > > > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, but I > > can't > > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or chat: > > > > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a > > specific > > political party. I understand that in these times there are many countries > > with heated and important political debates, and some very important > > global > > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. > > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political subject > > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet > > another > > political news/opinions feed. > > > > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about KDE, I > > go to > > planet.kde.org. > > > > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose which of > > your > > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very important > > to > > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep the > > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where it's > > hard to > > find the content people actually go there for. > > > > Thanks and kind regards, > > > > Christian
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
Let's avoid taking the politics to the mailing list as well please, that's even worse. David
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
Hi, Let's remember we had this debate before and it lead to the rules in the "Add Your Blog" popup, under which this blog post is currently fine. If you want the rules changed you need to make a good case for why the situation is different and warrants reevaluation, otherwise you're tilting at established consensus and wasting time. Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:07:11 PM GMT+01:00, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: >Because it's going to become all manner of fun, i feel i need to >comment that >Jonathan's statement here is my feelings on the situation as well. > >On Thursday, 5 December 2019 12:04:35 GMT Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about >themselves >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE >> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking >about >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one >reason why >> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion >blogs. >> If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog >should be >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects >are also >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the >developers >> behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that rule. >> >> Jonathan >> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli >wrote: >> > Dear Community, >> > >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, >but I >> > can't >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or >chat: >> > >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a >> > specific >> > political party. I understand that in these times there are many >countries >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very >important >> > global >> > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political >subject >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet >> > another >> > political news/opinions feed. >> > >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about >KDE, I >> > go to >> > planet.kde.org. >> > >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose >which of >> > your >> > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very >important >> > to >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep >the >> > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where >it's >> > hard to >> > find the content people actually go there for. >> > >> > Thanks and kind regards, >> > >> > Christian > > >-- >..dan / leinir.. >http://leinir.dk/ -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
That is fine. It is your opinion and probably many others'. But it is also a very controversial and divisive topic. I personally find it strange that you vote for unity in case of EU, but not in case of UK. To me, that is a contradiction. But it does not matter what I think. I think it is a fair concern whether to bring it to planet KDE. I am sure KDE would be more respective for a democratic vote on this than the UK has been on Brexit unfortunately. On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:04 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about > themselves as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect > KDE significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking > about politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one > reason why the populists have taken over so much of the political > discussion currently. I often get people thanking me for my political > opinion blogs. If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. > > The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog should > be about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects are > also encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the > developers behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that > rule. > > Jonathan > > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli wrote: > >> Dear Community, >> >> I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, but I >> can't >> find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or chat: >> >> currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a >> specific >> political party. I understand that in these times there are many >> countries >> with heated and important political debates, and some very important >> global >> topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. >> Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political >> subject >> that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet >> another >> political news/opinions feed. >> >> If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about KDE, I >> go to >> planet.kde.org. >> >> Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose which of >> your >> blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very >> important to >> you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep the >> planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where it's >> hard to >> find the content people actually go there for. >> >> Thanks and kind regards, >> >> Christian >> >> >>
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
Because it's going to become all manner of fun, i feel i need to comment that Jonathan's statement here is my feelings on the situation as well. On Thursday, 5 December 2019 12:04:35 GMT Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about themselves > as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE > significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking about > politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one reason why > the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion > currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion blogs. > If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. > > The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog should be > about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects are also > encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the developers > behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that rule. > > Jonathan > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli wrote: > > Dear Community, > > > > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, but I > > can't > > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or chat: > > > > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a > > specific > > political party. I understand that in these times there are many countries > > with heated and important political debates, and some very important > > global > > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. > > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political subject > > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet > > another > > political news/opinions feed. > > > > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about KDE, I > > go to > > planet.kde.org. > > > > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose which of > > your > > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very important > > to > > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep the > > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where it's > > hard to > > find the content people actually go there for. > > > > Thanks and kind regards, > > > > Christian -- ..dan / leinir.. http://leinir.dk/
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
Yes, I also remember myself that the argument for it was not to have the planet kde as purely technical place, but also an opportunity to get to know other people behind the scenes. Maybe, an EV vote could resolve this situation. On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:53 AM Christian Loosli wrote: > Dear Community, > > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, but I > can't > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or chat: > > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a > specific > political party. I understand that in these times there are many countries > with heated and important political debates, and some very important > global > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political subject > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet > another > political news/opinions feed. > > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about KDE, I > go to > planet.kde.org. > > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose which of > your > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very important > to > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep the > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where it's > hard to > find the content people actually go there for. > > Thanks and kind regards, > > Christian > > >
Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about themselves as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking about politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one reason why the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion blogs. If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it. The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog should be about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects are also encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the developers behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that rule. Jonathan On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli wrote: > Dear Community, > > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, but I > can't > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or chat: > > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a > specific > political party. I understand that in these times there are many countries > with heated and important political debates, and some very important > global > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political subject > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet > another > political news/opinions feed. > > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about KDE, I > go to > planet.kde.org. > > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose which of > your > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very important > to > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep the > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where it's > hard to > find the content people actually go there for. > > Thanks and kind regards, > > Christian > > >
Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
Dear Community, I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, but I can't find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or chat: currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a specific political party. I understand that in these times there are many countries with heated and important political debates, and some very important global topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political subject that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet another political news/opinions feed. If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about KDE, I go to planet.kde.org. Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose which of your blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very important to you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep the planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where it's hard to find the content people actually go there for. Thanks and kind regards, Christian
