Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > Hey folks, > > Last year we have talked a lot about KDE's vision, fleshed it out and > wrote it down: https://community.kde.org/KDE/Vision I am proud that we > have done that. However the work does not end there. We have the

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 3:43 AM, Kevin Ottens wrote: > From that point of view, I would say I got only one small concern. The Mission > seems to overlap with the Manifesto to some extent, which is likely fine. And, > at the same time, neither the Vision or the Mission refers to the

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Marco Martin wrote: >> Good job, i like this text! >> >> one thing i would add tough, is at >> "interoperates well with proprietary software, formats and services" >> >> I

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Kenny Coyle wrote: > Hey, > > Thanks for putting this together, I can only see it being positive going > forward. > > The text itself is very clear and concise. > > On the last section about promoting development, I'm wondering if it's >

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On maandag 10 juli 2017 13:44:54 CEST Adriaan de Groot wrote: > > It just occurred to me, that it would be good at this point to gauge with > > the active community what a mission would be, some simple questions such > > as: > > > > - Have you been contributing in any significant way to KDE in

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On zondag 9 juli 2017 17:41:03 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > Hello, > > On Friday, 7 July 2017 23:16:32 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > On 2017 M07 7, Fri 07:21:32 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > > > > How about collecting ideas for that ? > > > > We have already 5. > > > > > > 5? I missed a couple I

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hello, On Friday, 7 July 2017 23:16:32 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote: > On 2017 M07 7, Fri 07:21:32 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > > > How about collecting ideas for that ? > > > We have already 5. > > > > 5? I missed a couple I guess. I spotted only "privacy" and "freedom" so > > far. > > For

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hi, On 2017 M07 7, Fri 07:21:32 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > Hello, ... > > How about collecting ideas for that ? > > We have already 5. > > 5? I missed a couple I guess. I spotted only "privacy" and "freedom" so far. For completeness: - privacy - (practical) freedom - reliability - KDE apps for

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hello, On Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:27:45 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote: > On 2017 M07 6, Thu 07:29:39 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > > On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 23:12:38 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote: > ... > > > > Except that I don't think "Open Data" should really be THE focus of KDE > > > (but I

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hello, On Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:27:52 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: > Am 06.07.2017 um 07:30 schrieb Kevin Ottens: > > Hello, > > On Thursday, 6 July 2017 01:19:00 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: > > >> > More like "Practical Freedom"? >> The KDE community imo shouldnt be > about "technicalities",

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Am 06.07.2017 um 10:09 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > On donderdag 6 juli 2017 01:45:59 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: >> Am 05.07.2017 um 22:58 schrieb Alexander Neundorf: >>> On 2017 M07 5, Wed 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote:

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On 2017 M07 6, Thu 07:29:39 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 23:12:38 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote: ... > > Except that I don't think "Open Data" should really be THE focus of KDE > > (but I guess you just used that as a random example ?), I fully agree. > > It wasn't totally

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Am 06.07.2017 um 07:30 schrieb Kevin Ottens: > Hello, > > On Thursday, 6 July 2017 01:19:00 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: >> More like "Practical Freedom"? >> The KDE community imo shouldnt be about "technicalities", thats up to >> how each project tries to contribute or work towards that ultimate

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hello, On Thursday, 6 July 2017 01:19:00 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: > More like "Practical Freedom"? > The KDE community imo shouldnt be about "technicalities", thats up to > how each project tries to contribute or work towards that ultimate goal > that is freedom. > Wiki2Learn for example

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 23:12:38 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote: > On 2017 M07 5, Wed 12:17:10 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 22:28:24 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > > On 2017 M07 2, Sun 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > > In my

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Am 05.07.2017 um 22:58 schrieb Alexander Neundorf: > On 2017 M07 5, Wed 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: >> On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote: >>> Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years? >> How about Freedom? > The "KDE - Digital Freedom" is

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Am 05.07.2017 um 16:23 schrieb Kevin Ottens: > Hello, > > On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: >> On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote: >>> Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years? >> >> How about Freedom? >> Fits "KDE - be

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On 2017 M07 5, Wed 13:14:19 CEST Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On woensdag 5 juli 2017 12:17:10 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > > IOW, knowing the organization as a whole decided on some sort of direction > > at least for a while would prompt me into looking beyond my usual comfort > > zone. By doing that

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On 2017 M07 5, Wed 12:17:10 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > Hello, > > On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 22:28:24 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > On 2017 M07 2, Sun 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > > ... > > > > > In my opinion our answer to "where we want to go" was supposed to be > > > something else

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Alexander Neundorf ha scritto: > On 2017 M07 5, Wed 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: >> On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote: >>> Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years? >> >> How about Freedom? > > The "KDE - Digital Freedom" is one of my

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On 2017 M07 5, Wed 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: > On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote: > > Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years? > > How about Freedom? The "KDE - Digital Freedom" is one of my favourite T-shirts... Still, there exists

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Am 5. Juli 2017 13:14:19 MESZ schrieb "Sebastian Kügler" : >Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years? Yes! Many other software sources (Apple, Microsoft, ...) are currently moving away from privacy, and the Free and Open Source communities are more needed then

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hello, On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: > On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote: > > Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years? > > How about Freedom? > Fits "KDE - be free". > There is also no freedom without privacy. Way

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote: > > > Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years? How about Freedom? Fits "KDE - be free". There is also no freedom without privacy. Greetings, Clemens.

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hello, On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:14:19 CEST Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On woensdag 5 juli 2017 12:17:10 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > > IOW, knowing the organization as a whole decided on some sort of direction > > at least for a while would prompt me into looking beyond my usual comfort > > zone.

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On woensdag 5 juli 2017 12:17:10 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > IOW, knowing the organization as a whole decided on some sort of direction > at least for a while would prompt me into looking beyond my usual comfort > zone. By doing that with the two examples above we might see a stronger > influx of

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hello, On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 23:20:18 CEST Christian Mollekopf wrote: > On Sun, Jul 2, 2017, at 03:43 AM, Kevin Ottens wrote: > > I hope for another fate. Because of that, I don't think this is a proper > > conclusion to the Evolving KDE effort or a proper answer to Paul's talk. > > While I

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hello, On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 22:28:24 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote: > On 2017 M07 2, Sun 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > ... > > > In my opinion our answer to "where we want to go" was supposed to be > > something else than "nowhere in particular". Then I think we're falling > > very

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hello, On Sunday, 2 July 2017 20:06:41 CEST Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On zondag 2 juli 2017 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > > In my opinion our answer to "where we want to go" was supposed to be > > something else than "nowhere in particular". Then I think we're falling > > very short on

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On 2017 M07 2, Sun 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: ... > In my opinion our answer to "where we want to go" was supposed to be > something else than "nowhere in particular". Then I think we're falling > very short on that. We face a problem, and instead of putting our efforts > to find where to

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hi Kevin, On zondag 2 juli 2017 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote: > In my opinion our answer to "where we want to go" was supposed to be > something else than "nowhere in particular". Then I think we're falling > very short on that. We face a problem, and instead of putting our efforts > to find

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hello, On Monday, 29 May 2017 21:17:29 CEST Lydia Pintscher wrote: > [...] > I'd like to invite you all to take a look at the current draft and > provide your constructive feedback so we can use this as the basis for > our work for the next years. > > https://community.kde.org/KDE/Mission Took

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On dinsdag 27 juni 2017 07:24:21 CEST Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il giorno Mon, 29 May 2017 21:17:29 +0200 > Lydia Pintscher ha scritto: > > > > > I'd like to invite you all to take a look at the current draft and > > provide your constructive feedback so we can use this as the

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Il giorno Mon, 29 May 2017 21:17:29 +0200 Lydia Pintscher ha scritto: > I'd like to invite you all to take a look at the current draft and > provide your constructive feedback so we can use this as the basis for > our work for the next years. As far as I can see, is mentors

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:23:55 AM CEST you wrote:> Hi Christian, > > On donderdag 22 juni 2017 00:02:00 CEST Christian Mollekopf wrote: ... > > You are exactly right, these documents are fairly loose and they're not meant > to be The Law, but give us all a bit more direction. That said,

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hi all, Commenting in general here on the whole proposal rather than anyone's specific remarks. On the whole I think the mission and strategy are quite well aligned and represent the community quite well. From time to time we may have occasional exceptions to this (for instance, it is quite

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hi, I'm new on the list so sorry for not replying to the thread. I was asked to contribute my feedback on the Vision/Mission, so here it goes. I like Vision and Mission-Statement and they generally reflect my values as well. They are very inclusive and fairly loose, which I think is the only

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2017 22:41:04 CEST Albert Astals Cid wrote: > El dilluns, 29 de maig de 2017, a les 21:17:29 CEST, Lydia Pintscher va > > escriure: > > Hey folks, > > > > Last year we have talked a lot about KDE's vision, fleshed it out and > > wrote it down:

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

El dilluns, 29 de maig de 2017, a les 21:17:29 CEST, Lydia Pintscher va escriure: > Hey folks, > > Last year we have talked a lot about KDE's vision, fleshed it out and > wrote it down: https://community.kde.org/KDE/Vision I am proud that we > have done that. However the work does not end there.

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Am 2017-06-15 19:28, schrieb Marco Martin: On Monday 29 May 2017 21:17:29 Lydia Pintscher wrote: I'd like to invite you all to take a look at the current draft and provide your constructive feedback so we can use this as the basis for our work for the next years.

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Am 2017-06-13 15:29, schrieb Sebastian Kügler: On dinsdag 13 juni 2017 14:16:25 CEST Kenny Coyle wrote: Thanks for putting this together, I can only see it being positive going forward. The text itself is very clear and concise. On the last section about promoting development, I'm wondering

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On dinsdag 13 juni 2017 22:00:02 CEST Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > > > On zondag 11 juni 2017 18:02:56 CEST Albert Vaca wrote: > > > >> Thanks for putting this together! Some (late and) minor thoughts on > >> wording: >

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On zondag 11 juni 2017 18:02:56 CEST Albert Vaca wrote: >> Thanks for putting this together! Some (late and) minor thoughts on wording: >> >> I like that we state we want to "integrate well with other Free products to >>

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

> On 13 Jun 2017, at 15:29, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > On dinsdag 13 juni 2017 14:16:25 CEST Kenny Coyle wrote: >> Thanks for putting this together, I can only see it being positive going >> forward. >> >> The text itself is very clear and concise. >> >> On the last section

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On dinsdag 13 juni 2017 14:16:25 CEST Kenny Coyle wrote: > Thanks for putting this together, I can only see it being positive going > forward. > > The text itself is very clear and concise. > > On the last section about promoting development, I'm wondering if it's > worthwhile having a statement

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hey, Thanks for putting this together, I can only see it being positive going forward. The text itself is very clear and concise. On the last section about promoting development, I'm wondering if it's worthwhile having a statement about the infrastructure that KDE maintains and develops? How

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

On zondag 11 juni 2017 18:02:56 CEST Albert Vaca wrote: > Thanks for putting this together! Some (late and) minor thoughts on wording: > > I like that we state we want to "integrate well with other Free products to > complete the experience". I would explicitly mention "other Free *software* >

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Like Albert I mostly want to weigh in that I support the mission draft - personally I consider the existance of a mission draft the central core success. It's one thing to be in opposition to parts of an existing mission - a completely different one when you may or may not be in opposition

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hi Agustin, On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:07:37 PM CEST Agustin Benito (toscalix) wrote: > thanks for driving this discussion. It is a needed one. Here are my > early comments: > > * "builds on open standards to prevent "lock-in" - I think that > prevent lock-in is not a reason but a consequence of

Re: latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hi, thanks for driving this discussion. It is a needed one. Here are my early comments: * "builds on open standards to prevent "lock-in" - I think that prevent lock-in is not a reason but a consequence of building KDE software on open standards. open stardars are aabout transparency, agreement,

latest draft for mission (and strategy)

Hey folks, Last year we have talked a lot about KDE's vision, fleshed it out and wrote it down: https://community.kde.org/KDE/Vision I am proud that we have done that. However the work does not end there. We have the answer to the question "why are we here". We still need the answer to the