Re: [kde-community] Proper KDE SDK - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Pau Garcia i Quiles pgqui...@elpauer.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Albert Astals Cid aa...@kde.org wrote: * Can we create a proper KDE SDK? We have the SDK module which is really a mix of general development related apps and KDE-specific

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Dominik Haumann
On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 22:56:12 Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dimecres, 15 de gener de 2014, a les 21:47:17, John Layt va escriure: Hi, * Do we need small utilities like KCalc as stand-alone apps, or do they belong in Workspaces, perhaps as Plasmoids? Where do we draw the line

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 22:56:12 Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dimecres, 15 de gener de 2014, a les 21:47:17, John Layt va escriure: Hi, * Do we need small utilities like KCalc as stand-alone apps, or do they belong in Workspaces, perhaps as Plasmoids? Where do we draw the line

Re: [kde-community] KDE Essential Applications - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-01-15, Albert Astals Cid aa...@kde.org wrote: tarball? An XML file somewhere? Personally I find distros should be smart enough to decide which apps they want to ship by default and which not. I've actually in my distribution tried to ship stuff, including package selection, quite close

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Thursday 16 January 2014 10:43:42 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 22:56:12 Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dimecres, 15 de gener de 2014, a les 21:47:17, John Layt va escriure: Hi, * Do we need small utilities like KCalc as stand-alone apps, or do they belong in

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hey, On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:43:42 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: Why would i want a calculator as a plasmoid instead of an application? So that i need to minimize all my other apps to see the desktop to see it instead of just alt-tabbing? What’s worse than insulting another person is

Re: [kde-community] Applications hopping in and out of the coordinated release - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:23:23 Martin Graesslin wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2014 23:06:26 Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dimecres, 15 de gener de 2014, a les 21:47:17, John Layt va escriure: We can still have a regular KDE Applications Release, but it is then up to individual

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:35:29 Sebastian Kügler wrote: I think this is really not the way we should discuss things. Accusing Albert of insulting anybody is not necessary, accusing him of doing it out of ignorance is clearly against our code of conduct. Fine; so when someone says “I

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Thursday, 2014-01-16, 10:43:42, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: We’ve had plasma-windows for ages now which runs plasmoids in their own independent window like a mini application. For apps like ksnapshot and kcalc the results would be identical or nearly so (kcalc would require support for putting a

Re: [kde-community] Proper KDE SDK - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
Hello, Where can I find the CI scripts? If someone could give me access to Jenkins and give me a little introduction to what's already in place for CI, I can probably help with automating the SDK generation so that it's available from the Qt SDK Maintenance Tool. I am attending FOSDEM, in case

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:47:13 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:35:29 Sebastian Kügler wrote: I think this is really not the way we should discuss things. Accusing Albert of insulting anybody is not necessary, accusing him of doing it out of ignorance is

Re: [kde-community] Non Api-stable libraries/frameworks - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:00:36 Kevin Krammer wrote: On Thursday, 2014-01-16, 01:33:34, Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dimecres, 15 de gener de 2014, a les 21:47:17, John Layt va escriure: * Application domain-specific libraries such as libkipi or libkcddb may now be better organised

Re: [kde-community] KDE Essential Applications - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Adriaan de Groot
On Thursday 16 January 2014 11:56:08 Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 23:46:29 Adriaan de Groot wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2014 23:13:11 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Besides how would you define this KDE Essential Applications group? I mean a tarball? An XML file

Re: [kde-community] KDE Essential Applications - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:15:05 Adriaan de Groot wrote: But I don't think that Scuba-diving C++ programmer is going to be a viable metapackage any time soon. No, but it could be a “Sports and Fitness” metapackage. There are a remarkable number of such apps for Android, for instance.

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Thursday 16 January 2014 13:24:51 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: Martin Graesslin wrote: 'We all know Albert and we all know that his writing reads more harsh than he intents to.’ IOW: it’s OK for Albert, because we all know he’s gruff and we should accommodate that. Others are routinely granted

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Kevin Ottens
On Thursday 16 January 2014 14:48:22 Martin Graesslin wrote: On Thursday 16 January 2014 13:24:51 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: Martin Graesslin wrote: 'We all know Albert and we all know that his writing reads more harsh than he intents to.’ IOW: it’s OK for Albert, because we all know he’s gruff

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Eike Hein
My 2 cents on this: I agree that Albert's original phrasing here wasn't great, and I wouldn't have ignored it myself. Assuming good intentions has to go both ways, and reacting to a *question* (like Should we do these as Plasmoids?) with You're going to kill my baby seals, I know it! is exactly

Re: [kde-community] High-quality apps in extragear - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread David Edmundson
Given my project is explicitly mentioned, I should reply :) When KTp was moving out of playground, I was told: It can't go into the SC because Kopete is there and we have a duty to maintain that as the official client for all of 4.x I don't know if that is true or not, it may have been a

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Thursday, January 16, 2014 16:09:03 Sebastian Kügler wrote: Hi Aaron, On Thursday, January 16, 2014 13:24:51 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: That particular statement has been used for years and I’ve patiently corrected it time and again, and it is still used to justify things like “don’t

Re: [kde-community] Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:42:43 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: * Is this an application that is commonly provided by bare-bones desktop envs? (Yes: +1; both because it means it duplicates features in other envs but also because it is probably *expected* to be there by users) * Is this an

Re: [kde-community] KDE Essential Applications - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On Thursday 16 January 2014 11:56:08 Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 23:46:29 Adriaan de Groot wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2014 23:13:11 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Besides how would you define this KDE Essential Applications group? I mean a tarball? An XML file

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dijous, 16 de gener de 2014, a les 10:43:42, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure: On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 22:56:12 Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dimecres, 15 de gener de 2014, a les 21:47:17, John Layt va escriure: Hi, * Do we need small utilities like KCalc as stand-alone apps, or do

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dijous, 16 de gener de 2014, a les 12:05:17, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure: On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:46:33 Kevin Krammer wrote: On Thursday, 2014-01-16, 10:43:42, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: I also thought about plasma-windowed when reading that :) However, I think it is one of those

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Thursday, 2014-01-16, 22:07:17, Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dijous, 16 de gener de 2014, a les 12:05:17, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure: On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:46:33 Kevin Krammer wrote: On Thursday, 2014-01-16, 10:43:42, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: I also thought about plasma-windowed

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Marco Martin
On Wednesday 15 January 2014 22:56:12 Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dimecres, 15 de gener de 2014, a les 21:47:17, John Layt va escriure: Hi, * Do we need small utilities like KCalc as stand-alone apps, or do they belong in Workspaces, perhaps as Plasmoids? Where do we draw the line

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dijous, 16 de gener de 2014, a les 22:13:58, Kevin Krammer va escriure: On Thursday, 2014-01-16, 22:07:17, Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dijous, 16 de gener de 2014, a les 12:05:17, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure: On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:46:33 Kevin Krammer wrote: On Thursday,

Re: [kde-community] KDE Essential Applications - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Marco Martin
On Thursday 16 January 2014 21:50:47 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: Is it just me, or does this idea sound like it's going in a similar direction to the Flows Björn and I talked about at Akademy? ;) Tasks/workflows is really what we should be thinking about, because that's the user's perspective,

Re: [kde-community] Plasmoids and Apps - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5

2014-01-16 Thread Marco Martin
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Albert Astals Cid aa...@kde.org wrote: El Dijous, 16 de gener de 2014, a les 12:05:17, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure: On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:46:33 Kevin Krammer wrote: On Thursday, 2014-01-16, 10:43:42, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: I also thought about