Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Sebastian Kügler]

Hi all,

Due to accommodation facilities not being available during the planned days, 
we want to move the meeting into June, specifically:

5.6. (arrival date) - 9.6. (departure).

If that changes anything about your ability to participate, please let me know 
by Sunday night, we're happy to accommodate (hah!).

Thanks, and have a nice weekend,

-- sebas

On Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:47:54 PM Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> As you may have followed, at Blue Systems, we're in the process of
> revamping  the infrastructure around add-ons, basically what is currently
> served by opendesktop.org.
>  
> One of our goals is to open up development of an ocs-compatible server 
> component. As we're nearing completion of the underlying infrastructure and 
> licensing bits, we'd like to actually start thinking about its future, and
> get more people involved to think about it with us. To us, the current
> opendesktop.org is only the beginning, we can imagine it becoming a truly
> Free and open software store for KDE and others in the future.
>  
> To start this effort, we'd like to invite interested people to a sprint to 
> make plans, discuss strategies and tactics and generally start an open 
> development process.
>  
> The meeting could take place in week 21, between 23 May and 28 May, and
> we'd  be happy to host it as a 3 days sprint in Bielefeld, Germany -- but
> we're flexible in this regard.
>  
> If you're interested in attending this meeting, please reply to this thread
> or  let me know via email, so we can gauge interest and perhaps start
> making travel arrangements.

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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Aaron Honeycutt]

I have a Mumble server up as well for anyone to freely use of course.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Valorie Zimmerman <
valorie.zimmer...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 4:59 AM, Jens Reuterberg 
> wrote:
> > I will considering the proposed date also love to sit remotely and join
> in.
> > There is a FOSS conferance here in Gothenburg then and I am trying to
> wave the
> > KDE flag high there (since there are a ton of companies going).
> >
> >
> > (This is where I add "we should have a mumble server for stuff like
> this" :) )
>
> Philip (yofel) has a Mumble server, which I'll bet he would allow you
> to use. Also, recently Big Blue Button set up a Kubuntu session for
> us, which might be of use:
>
> http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/ <--- all open source, by
> the way. Just use Room 3 or 4 so you don't bump into us. Password upon
> request.
>
> Valorie
>
> > On Tuesday, 5 April 2016 20:45:19 CEST Boudhayan Gupta wrote:
> >> Hi Sebas,
> >>
> >> On 5 April 2016 at 16:17, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > As you may have followed, at Blue Systems, we're in the process of
> >> > revamping the infrastructure around add-ons, basically what is
> currently
> >> > served by opendesktop.org.
> >> >
> >> > One of our goals is to open up development of an ocs-compatible server
> >> > component. As we're nearing completion of the underlying
> infrastructure
> >> > and
> >> > licensing bits, we'd like to actually start thinking about its
> future, and
> >> > get more people involved to think about it with us. To us, the current
> >> > opendesktop.org is only the beginning, we can imagine it becoming a
> truly
> >> > Free and open software store for KDE and others in the future.
> >> >
> >> > To start this effort, we'd like to invite interested people to a
> sprint to
> >> > make plans, discuss strategies and tactics and generally start an open
> >> > development process.
> >>
> >> This makes me very excited.
> >>
> >> > The meeting could take place in week 21, between 23 May and 28 May,
> and
> >> > we'd be happy to host it as a 3 days sprint in Bielefeld, Germany --
> but
> >> > we're flexible in this regard.
> >>
> >> Can I attend this meeting remotely somehow? I don't have a passport
> >> yet and getting one soon-ish (with a Shengen visa) will be a major
> >> problem owing to my lack of a permanent address at this moment (Indian
> >> Passport laws are pretty crappy when it comes to students living in
> >> residential universities).
> >>
> >> > If you're interested in attending this meeting, please reply to this
> >> > thread or let me know via email, so we can gauge interest and perhaps
> >> > start making travel arrangements.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > --
> >> > sebas
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Boudhayan Gupta
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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Valorie Zimmerman]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 4:59 AM, Jens Reuterberg  wrote:
> I will considering the proposed date also love to sit remotely and join in.
> There is a FOSS conferance here in Gothenburg then and I am trying to wave the
> KDE flag high there (since there are a ton of companies going).
>
>
> (This is where I add "we should have a mumble server for stuff like this" :) )

Philip (yofel) has a Mumble server, which I'll bet he would allow you
to use. Also, recently Big Blue Button set up a Kubuntu session for
us, which might be of use:

http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/ <--- all open source, by
the way. Just use Room 3 or 4 so you don't bump into us. Password upon
request.

Valorie

> On Tuesday, 5 April 2016 20:45:19 CEST Boudhayan Gupta wrote:
>> Hi Sebas,
>>
>> On 5 April 2016 at 16:17, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > As you may have followed, at Blue Systems, we're in the process of
>> > revamping the infrastructure around add-ons, basically what is currently
>> > served by opendesktop.org.
>> >
>> > One of our goals is to open up development of an ocs-compatible server
>> > component. As we're nearing completion of the underlying infrastructure
>> > and
>> > licensing bits, we'd like to actually start thinking about its future, and
>> > get more people involved to think about it with us. To us, the current
>> > opendesktop.org is only the beginning, we can imagine it becoming a truly
>> > Free and open software store for KDE and others in the future.
>> >
>> > To start this effort, we'd like to invite interested people to a sprint to
>> > make plans, discuss strategies and tactics and generally start an open
>> > development process.
>>
>> This makes me very excited.
>>
>> > The meeting could take place in week 21, between 23 May and 28 May, and
>> > we'd be happy to host it as a 3 days sprint in Bielefeld, Germany -- but
>> > we're flexible in this regard.
>>
>> Can I attend this meeting remotely somehow? I don't have a passport
>> yet and getting one soon-ish (with a Shengen visa) will be a major
>> problem owing to my lack of a permanent address at this moment (Indian
>> Passport laws are pretty crappy when it comes to students living in
>> residential universities).
>>
>> > If you're interested in attending this meeting, please reply to this
>> > thread or let me know via email, so we can gauge interest and perhaps
>> > start making travel arrangements.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > --
>> > sebas
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Boudhayan Gupta
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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Jens Reuterberg]

I will considering the proposed date also love to sit remotely and join in. 
There is a FOSS conferance here in Gothenburg then and I am trying to wave the 
KDE flag high there (since there are a ton of companies going).


(This is where I add "we should have a mumble server for stuff like this" :) )



On Tuesday, 5 April 2016 20:45:19 CEST Boudhayan Gupta wrote:
> Hi Sebas,
> 
> On 5 April 2016 at 16:17, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > As you may have followed, at Blue Systems, we're in the process of
> > revamping the infrastructure around add-ons, basically what is currently
> > served by opendesktop.org.
> > 
> > One of our goals is to open up development of an ocs-compatible server
> > component. As we're nearing completion of the underlying infrastructure
> > and
> > licensing bits, we'd like to actually start thinking about its future, and
> > get more people involved to think about it with us. To us, the current
> > opendesktop.org is only the beginning, we can imagine it becoming a truly
> > Free and open software store for KDE and others in the future.
> > 
> > To start this effort, we'd like to invite interested people to a sprint to
> > make plans, discuss strategies and tactics and generally start an open
> > development process.
> 
> This makes me very excited.
> 
> > The meeting could take place in week 21, between 23 May and 28 May, and
> > we'd be happy to host it as a 3 days sprint in Bielefeld, Germany -- but
> > we're flexible in this regard.
> 
> Can I attend this meeting remotely somehow? I don't have a passport
> yet and getting one soon-ish (with a Shengen visa) will be a major
> problem owing to my lack of a permanent address at this moment (Indian
> Passport laws are pretty crappy when it comes to students living in
> residential universities).
> 
> > If you're interested in attending this meeting, please reply to this
> > thread or let me know via email, so we can gauge interest and perhaps
> > start making travel arrangements.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > sebas
> 
> Thanks,
> Boudhayan Gupta
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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Sebastian Kügler]

Hi Alexander,

On Saturday, April 09, 2016 09:52:37 AM Andreas Cord-Landwehr wrote:
> Hi, I would also be interested in that sprint, especially with a KDE Edu
> specific view on requirements (in particular language learning, but also
> learning resources for applications in general).
> I am probably available from 26 to 28 all day, other days only at evenings;
> but I am living so close to Bielefeld that I can simply reach it by car and
> do not need any travel/hotel sponsoring.

Wonderful. I'm finishing the list of attendees this week and will send around 
an email with more specifics after that.

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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Andreas Cord-Landwehr]

Hi, I would also be interested in that sprint, especially with a KDE Edu 
specific view on requirements (in particular language learning, but also 
learning resources for applications in general).
I am probably available from 26 to 28 all day, other days only at evenings; 
but I am living so close to Bielefeld that I can simply reach it by car and do 
not need any travel/hotel sponsoring.

Cheers,
Andreas

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 12:47:54 PM CEST Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> As you may have followed, at Blue Systems, we're in the process of revamping
> the infrastructure around add-ons, basically what is currently served by
> opendesktop.org.
> 
> One of our goals is to open up development of an ocs-compatible server
> component. As we're nearing completion of the underlying infrastructure and
> licensing bits, we'd like to actually start thinking about its future, and
> get more people involved to think about it with us. To us, the current
> opendesktop.org is only the beginning, we can imagine it becoming a truly
> Free and open software store for KDE and others in the future.
> 
> To start this effort, we'd like to invite interested people to a sprint to
> make plans, discuss strategies and tactics and generally start an open
> development process.
> 
> The meeting could take place in week 21, between 23 May and 28 May, and we'd
> be happy to host it as a 3 days sprint in Bielefeld, Germany -- but we're
> flexible in this regard.
> 
> If you're interested in attending this meeting, please reply to this thread
> or let me know via email, so we can gauge interest and perhaps start making
> travel arrangements.
> 
> Cheers,
> --
> sebas
> 
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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Marco Martin]

On Wednesday 06 April 2016 16:59:54 Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> In any case, right now, everything is dead.
> 
> I'd totally love to get it back, especially if it can turn into a real
> marketplace, where people can ask money for their resources. I would
> limit the categories to templates, resource bundles, color profiles and
> shared artwork, this time.

ok, so we don't bother with importing anything Krita-related, then in the 
future new categories can be added, to start from fresh

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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016, Marco Martin wrote:


krita and subcategories, excluding 1.x
http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=613x616x621x623x624x625x626x627x628x629
<- are all subcategories still valid?


Hm, for Krita... I see that the most recent stuff is from 2011? I
disabled GHNS in krita several years ago because it was impossible for
the community to properly curate the content and at one point, everything
seemed to have broken. Another problem is that the categories were too
fine-grained.

In any case, right now, everything is dead.

I'd totally love to get it back, especially if it can turn into a real
marketplace, where people can ask money for their resources. I would
limit the categories to templates, resource bundles, color profiles and 
shared artwork, this time.


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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Marco Martin]

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
> The meeting could take place in week 21, between 23 May and 28 May, and we'd
> be happy to host it as a 3 days sprint in Bielefeld, Germany -- but we're
> flexible in this regard.
>
> If you're interested in attending this meeting, please reply to this thread or
> let me know via email, so we can gauge interest and perhaps start making
> travel arrangements.

Probably not the proper list to discuss that, but introducing it here
as many people read it (and if you contribute to an application in
KDE, please, don't skip ;)
One thing that would be really important to do, is deciding what
content currently in opendesktop should be transfered as it is, it can
be done at the meeting, but would be nice to have a rough idea already
before.

I went over categories in kde-files.org, that is a bit overlooked site
of the opendesktop ones, but it's actually quite important, as is the
one that usually has stuff from which applications will download extra
data (such as KStars extra graphics or plasma comic applet providers
for instance)

there is a lot of stuff there that is obviously outdated/not relevant
anymore, but also some that would be important. where would be the
right place to discuss that?
I'm introducing the issue quickly here anyways (then let's move where
more suited):

what would be needed are the maintainers of the applications that
content categories belong to, to vet the categories and roughly the
content as well (to tell which categories need, which don't, and
things like "for this category i only want items that have been
updated in the past 2 years, the others discarded")

And very important, if the maintainers won't answer or the application
appears to not really be maintained, the categories and their whole
content would have to be dropped


a preliminar list of stuff that has items newer than 2014:

krita and subcategories, excluding 1.x
http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=613x616x621x623x624x625x626x627x628x629
<- are all subcategories still valid?
ODF templates http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=630x631x632x633x634
KOrganizer calendars http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=640
KStars data http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=643
cliparts http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=60
krusader http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=660x661x662x663
tellico http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=675x676 <--
external app/maintained?
kate highlighting http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=680
KDEnlive effects http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=683
Plasma comics http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=685 <-
ported, used in Plasma 5
KTurtle scripts http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=686
Parley http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=687
KTextEditor snippets http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=690
Okteta structure definitions http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=691
Simon and subcategories
http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=648x649x692 <-
port/maintenance status?
KWordQuiz http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=694
Cantor and subcategories
http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=695x696x697x698x704x705x706x707x708x709
KMail headers http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=668x700x701x702x703
<- worth it?
Marble http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=646 <- not used at
all? i find that strange
Pairs: http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=647
KDE app templates http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=635 <--
i would have them maintained only in git, it's already hard enough to
keep such examples relevant as it is
KDevelop file templates http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=637
plasma public transport applet
http://kde-files.org/index.php?xcontentmode=638 <-- unported, so
content not relevant at the moment but such a shame
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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:12:13 PM Ben Cooksley wrote:
> Which Alexander do I need to contact? I can probably arrange that...

I'll get you in contact off-list.
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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Sebastian Kügler]

Hi Ben,

On Wednesday, April 06, 2016 09:06:56 PM Ben Cooksley wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:

> > As you may have followed, at Blue Systems, we're in the process of
> > revamping the infrastructure around add-ons, basically what is currently
> > served by opendesktop.org.
> 
> Two questions if I may

Sure. :)

> 1) In the past opendesktop.org transferred to us nightly a copy of
> pre-OCS get hot new stuff formatted information and associated data.
> This supports KDE 3 and early KDE 4 era applications, as well as
> applications which never transitioned to using OCS. You'd be surprised
> how many hits it still gets
> 
> What are the plans in regards to this data export?
> The data needs to be transferred to us as the applications are coded
> to use a download.kde.org url, although this should be redirectable
> without issue if need be.
> 
> 2) There are some RDF (predecessor to RSS) formatted feeds which we
> download from a hidden URL on the opendesktop.org site, and then serve
> up on www.kde.org. I believe the opendesktop.org site points clients
> to the kde.org hosted copy of these feeds in it's metadata markup, at
> least it did last I checked.
> 
> What is planned here in the future?
> Unfortunately as Akregator and many other clients will already be
> configured to retrieve the feed from kde.org we'll need to support
> this in some fashion (redirects shouldn't be an issue here if need
> be).

I can't tell you much about that, since I'm blissfully unaware of these 
ancient things. It sounds like something we should be able to make possible 
(or keep doing), but you'll have to talk to Alexander for that. Can you get in 
contact with him directly?

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Re: [kde-community] KDE store sprint

[Ben Cooksley]

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Sebas,

>
> As you may have followed, at Blue Systems, we're in the process of revamping
> the infrastructure around add-ons, basically what is currently served by
> opendesktop.org.

Two questions if I may :)

1) In the past opendesktop.org transferred to us nightly a copy of
pre-OCS get hot new stuff formatted information and associated data.
This supports KDE 3 and early KDE 4 era applications, as well as
applications which never transitioned to using OCS. You'd be surprised
how many hits it still gets

What are the plans in regards to this data export?
The data needs to be transferred to us as the applications are coded
to use a download.kde.org url, although this should be redirectable
without issue if need be.

2) There are some RDF (predecessor to RSS) formatted feeds which we
download from a hidden URL on the opendesktop.org site, and then serve
up on www.kde.org. I believe the opendesktop.org site points clients
to the kde.org hosted copy of these feeds in it's metadata markup, at
least it did last I checked.

What is planned here in the future?
Unfortunately as Akregator and many other clients will already be
configured to retrieve the feed from kde.org we'll need to support
this in some fashion (redirects shouldn't be an issue here if need
be).

>
> One of our goals is to open up development of an ocs-compatible server
> component. As we're nearing completion of the underlying infrastructure and
> licensing bits, we'd like to actually start thinking about its future, and get
> more people involved to think about it with us. To us, the current
> opendesktop.org is only the beginning, we can imagine it becoming a truly Free
> and open software store for KDE and others in the future.
>
> To start this effort, we'd like to invite interested people to a sprint to
> make plans, discuss strategies and tactics and generally start an open
> development process.
>
> The meeting could take place in week 21, between 23 May and 28 May, and we'd
> be happy to host it as a 3 days sprint in Bielefeld, Germany -- but we're
> flexible in this regard.
>
> If you're interested in attending this meeting, please reply to this thread or
> let me know via email, so we can gauge interest and perhaps start making
> travel arrangements.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> sebas

Thanks,
Ben

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