Hey folks :)
Attached is the log of today's office hour. Thanks everyone for coming.
If anyone else has questions related to the goals or needs help
refining one please let me know.
Cheers
Lydia
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Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher
KDE e.V. Board of Directors
http://kde.org - http://open-advice.org
19:00 Hey everyone :)
19:00 Who's here for the goals office hour?
19:00 hello
19:00 I am here
19:00 hi! I'm here :)
19:00 I'm here :)
19:00 Present, almost an hour early by mistake :D
19:01 apologies if my messages are delayed, I seem to have some sort
of a lag
19:01 yay :) that's already more people than i expected
19:01 \o/
19:02 So I wanted to take this time to answer and general questions
about the goals and also talk through specific questions you have for any
particular goal or provide tips for shaping them.
19:02 I'm here too
19:02 Let's start with collecting topics you want to cover?
19:03 I don't have anything in particular
19:03 ok
19:03 skadinna: you wanted to talk about the documentation goal?
19:03 what else?
19:03 In more general terms, I'd be interested to learn how success
of the goals is evaluated/measured. And more specifically, I'd like to get some
advice on what to do with my proposal, because I'm debating whether I should
drop it.
19:04 I have my "enterprise goal" if people have comments on that
19:04 *nod*
19:04 link to all goals for those who need it:
https://phabricator.kde.org/project/view/306/
19:04 skadinna: can you elaborate on what makes you consider
dropping your proposal, it looks like a very solid goal!
19:04 There are several privacy proposals that could be merged with
the old one :)
19:05 skadinna: neofytosk[m]: hear hear!
19:05 ivan|home: yeah there are two. I asked them to not merge them
with last year's ticket because it became very messy
19:05 I also left a comment in one of them to figure out if the two
new ones should be merged or if they can be made more distinct
19:05 ivan|home: my understanding is that we can re-boost old
goals if they are voted again, and yes it makes sense to have a common proposal
for all if they do overlap
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19:06 Nightrose: but they could be merged between them
19:06 yeah privacy or something related can definitely go in again
19:06 yeah
19:06 neat, that makes sense
19:06 https://phabricator.kde.org/T11146 one of them is mine.
19:06 bshah|matrix: hey :)
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19:07 alright let's start with skadinna's specific questions
19:07 neofytosk[m]: sure! :) My original idea was this: reduce
complexity to improve discoverability. Meaning, people can't read the docs or
contribute to them if they can't find them. And they can't find them because
they're split up into different locations, which introduces complexity. But
then as I started receiving feedback on it, I realized that this centralization
might not be possible or even desirable for a number of reasons
19:07 People seem to like the wikis even though they have some
serious technical disadvantages. So moving things away from the wikis is out of
the question
19:07 I'm ultimately not sure if I should just merge it, or not?
IMO topic of my goal is quite large, and distinct, that's why I had submitted
another goal.
19:08 I think you have identified a good problem (our documentation
is hard to find)
19:08 Plus, there are probably good reasons for why some things are
split up from the rest
19:08 But there are many ways of fixing it
19:08 And the goals usually shouldn't prescribe a solution
19:08 centralizing documentation is just one way of solving the
discoverability problem
19:08 "wikis [...] have some serious technical disadvantages" - which
disadvantages?
19:08 Yeah, it's totally possible that I misunderstood what the
goals are about :/
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19:09 The beauty is that as part of the current step we don't need
the solution.
19:09 We need to describe the change we want to see in the world.
19:09 lamefun: version history is clunky at best. search is not very
intuitive, at least not for beginners/newcomers
19:09 "And the goals usually shouldn't prescribe a solution" - I
like it when they do - not as a 'written in stone' type of thing, but to give
ideas to people joining the goal
19:09 skadinna: maybe the problem you identified is on the right
path but through discussion you can consider different solutions. but as
Nightrose mentioned, don't overthink the solution atm.
19:09 And then we have time to discuss the proper solution later
19:10 either way, let's not get too caught up in implementation
details right now
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19:10 ivan|home: it is fine in the text to propose one way of going
about it of course. but a
