On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 13:47 +0200, todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 August 2011 07:27, George Spelvin li...@horizon.com wrote:
I think what is needed is a series of more specific alternate names in
a .desktop file, with more
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 13:47 +0200, todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 August 2011 07:27, George Spelvin li...@horizon.com wrote:
I think what is needed is a series of more specific alternate names in
a .desktop file, with more
On 4 August 2011 07:27, George Spelvin li...@horizon.com wrote:
I think what is needed is a series of more specific alternate names in
a .desktop file, with more levels than the current GenericName and Name.
I think the KDE system settings desktop file just needs an addition of:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 August 2011 07:27, George Spelvin li...@horizon.com wrote:
I think what is needed is a series of more specific alternate names in
a .desktop file, with more levels than the current GenericName and Name.
I think
I think what is needed is a series of more specific alternate names in
a .desktop file, with more levels than the current GenericName and Name.
By default, applications get the simplest name. If there is a collision,
*both* get promoted to the next most specific name.
E.g. you might have
On Monday, July 25, 2011 10:30:46 Lydia Pintscher wrote:
This whole debate is way too heated and I'd like to take this out ofthe
arena. Are there 2 or 3 people on the GNOME side that areavailable to talk
this through and find a solution? Ideally whoevermaintains system settings
on the GNOME
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:07, Mark mark...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps the involved people from KDE and Gnome should just sit down in
an IRC chat room and talk about it.
That is pretty much exactly what I'm trying to organize. But I need to
know who that would be from the GNOME-side.
note:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:24, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:11:32AM +0200, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:07, Mark mark...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps the involved people from KDE and Gnome should just sit down in
an IRC chat room and talk
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:11:32AM +0200, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:07, Mark mark...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps the involved people from KDE and Gnome should just sit down in
an IRC chat room and talk about it.
That is pretty much exactly what I'm trying to organize.
On 28 July 2011 08:51, Thomas Lübking thomas.luebk...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought that was what the GenericName entry was supposed to be good
for, so gnome-terminal.desktop would have
Name=GNOME Terminal
GenericName=Terminal
Exec=gnome-terminal
and the runner/menu could use the GenericName
On 2011-07-23 Matthias wrote:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com
wrote:
On 22 July 2011 17:17, Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org wrote:
To be more specific about the problem, installing kde-workspace to
a GNOME installation results in 2 indistinguishable apps
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 07:44:54AM +0200, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
Each desktop team should stop picking such generic names. gnome-terminal
is fine, so is Konsole. Terminal should probably be renamed.
NetworkManager is a braindead name, System Settings implies far more
than it accomplishes (it
[: Mark :]
Just a small suggestion on how i think this should be fixed (since 2
desktop files for one app seems just ugly to me). Perhaps it's better to
extend the desktop file specification:
[...]
Name=System Settings
NativeDE=KDE
NameNonNative=KDE System Settings
Adding new field
On 07/25/2011 04:53 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2011 12:19:19 Andrea Diamantini wrote: KCMsshould live in
kde-runtime. Isn't it?
they do.
So, it's just my bad luck the ones I use (cookies, proxy, cache) are not.
Working for a solution...
--
Andrea Diamantini, adjam
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Le 25/07/2011 19:51, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
On Mon, 25.07.11 17:40, Giovanni Campagna (scampa.giova...@gmail.com) wrote:
The spec does not provide a list of shared keys, does such a list exist?
If there is no such list I don't see how we could share anything.
On Mon, July 25, 2011 8:08 pm, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
David Jarvie wrote:
On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
Hi Mark,
have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=131149560119520w=2
I suggest that you consider it,
Il giorno lun, 25/07/2011 alle 12.56 +0200, Markus Slopianka ha scritto:
Which settings don't they follow? Apart from theme (as there is no gtk3
engine written in Qt yet)
Why do theme engines have to be written for Qt in order to let GTK apps at
least integrate
visually into a Qt
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 01:26:03PM +0200, Mark Gaiser wrote:
In my opinion there should be a cross desktop system settings
application where the KDE implementation can use KCM and the gnome
implementation uses whatever they want to use. That would be the
ideal solution imho.
you mean, like
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Oswald Buddenhagen o...@kde.org wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 01:26:03PM +0200, Mark Gaiser wrote:
In my opinion there should be a cross desktop system settings
application where the KDE implementation can use KCM and the gnome
implementation uses whatever
On Sunday, July 24, 2011 05:07:19 PM Ben Cooksley wrote:
Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
they're insular and only care for themselves.
In any case, we need a short term solution to this.
On Sunday, July 24, 2011 05:52:08 PM Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
On Sunday 24 July 2011 Ben Cooksley wrote:
Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
they're insular and only care for themselves.
I
On Monday 25 July 2011 07.49.17 Scott Kitterman wrote:
I haven't seen anything in any mailing list posts that is nearly as
aggressive as knowningly reusing a name that was in use like
systemsettings.
Please don't assume that was an agressive act.
I can totally see that someone that goes with
Where's the problem? Have the release tarballs already and irrevocably been
forged and fed into some unstoppable mechanism?
Per the KDE Release Schedule, we are frozen for everything except
build compilation failures, as the KDE 4.7.0 release process is
underway.
So what is the better option
On Sunday, July 24, 2011 16:05:22 Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
you're saying that anyone using a KDE application should also install
the KDE system settings shell because it is the only way to configure
KDE *applications*? Qt, like GTK+ uses the same XSETTINGS protocol, to
allow interoperability
On 07/24/2011 05:11 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
applications using the org.freedesktop.Secrets API will ask for the
well-known bus name, and get to talk to the daemon implementing it;
that means using the gnome-keyring daemon or kwallet, depending on
which is installed. the same mechanism of
2011/7/24 Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org:
Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
they're insular and only care for themselves.
In any case, we need a short term solution to this. Basically, we are
On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:32 pm, Mark wrote:
Hi Ben,
Could you read and comment on my proposal:
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=131142514605051w=2
I would like to implement this in the spec, KDE en Gnome, but i need
some pointers on where i should make such edits and to get it
Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 22.17 +0200, Aurélien Gâteau ha scritto:
Le 24/07/2011 17:11, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
GTK+ applications use the XSETTINGS keys:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html
so every key that is shared using that specification
Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote:
On Monday 25 July 2011 07.49.17 Scott Kitterman wrote:
I haven't seen anything in any mailing list posts that is nearly as
aggressive as knowningly reusing a name that was in use like
systemsettings.
Please don't assume that was an agressive act.
I can
Hi Mark,
have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=131149560119520w=2
I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
update the Freedesktop specification and any DE that doesn't name its
programs differently in other DEs
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Ambroz Bizjak ambr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=131149560119520w=2
I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
update the Freedesktop
On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
Hi Mark,
have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=131149560119520w=2
I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
update the Freedesktop specification and any DE
David Jarvie wrote:
On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
Hi Mark,
have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=131149560119520w=2
I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
update the Freedesktop
On Mon, 25.07.11 17:40, Giovanni Campagna (scampa.giova...@gmail.com) wrote:
The spec does not provide a list of shared keys, does such a list exist?
If there is no such list I don't see how we could share anything.
http://wiki.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/XSettingsRegistry
This
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:50 PM, David Jarvie djar...@kde.org wrote:
On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
Hi Mark,
have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=131149560119520w=2
I suggest that you consider it, because it
On Mon 25 July 2011 06:53:28 Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote:
On Monday 25 July 2011 15:57:16 Ben Cooksley wrote:
Otherwise our users will be the ones who will suffer.
I really doubt anyone is going to 'suffer'... This
On 25 July 2011 07:18, Scott Kitterman k...@kitterman.com wrote:
Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote:
On Monday 25 July 2011 07.49.17 Scott Kitterman wrote:
I haven't seen anything in any mailing list posts that is nearly as
aggressive as knowningly reusing a name that was in use like
hi;
2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org:
Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
Settings would not be installed.
You are only likely to get both System Settings pre-installed if your
2011/7/24 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com:
hi;
2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org:
Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
Settings would not be installed.
You are only likely to get
On Sunday 24 July 2011, Ben Cooksley wrote:
2011/7/24 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com:
hi;
2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org:
Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
Settings
Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 21.00 +1200, Ben Cooksley ha scritto:
2011/7/24 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com:
hi;
2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org:
Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed,
Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 22.37 +1200, Ben Cooksley ha scritto:
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Giovanni Campagna
scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote:
Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 21.00 +1200, Ben Cooksley ha scritto:
2011/7/24 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com:
hi;
2011/7/24
On Sunday 24 July 2011 17:55:54 Giovanni Campagna wrote:
Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 22.37 +1200, Ben Cooksley ha scritto:
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Phonon backend cannot be configured without System Settings.
And that's a feature, I suppose. As a GNOME user, I want GStreamer at
all times
Le 24/07/2011 12:55, Giovanni Campagna a écrit :
Which is a KDE bug. You should use GNOME shortcuts when possible. I
mean, Gtk has emacs and Mac OS modes for keybindings, I doubt Qt hasn't
something similar.
It is true that you can change KDE theme without changing the GTK one,
but why
Le 24 juil. 2011 14:35, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org a écrit :
Le 24/07/2011 12:55, Giovanni Campagna a écrit :
Which is a KDE bug. You should use GNOME shortcuts when possible. I
mean, Gtk has emacs and Mac OS modes for keybindings, I doubt Qt hasn't
something similar.
It is true that
On Sunday 24 July 2011 Ben Cooksley wrote:
Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
they're insular and only care for themselves.
I don't want to let a statement like this stand as it is. There are a
Still, we should treat each other with respect. [...]
being angry doesn't solve problems, especially not
when communication about a common solution is required. [...]
Not everything can be done easily, but we should look for the
right solutions and persue them.
There is no established mechanism
KDE 4.7 will probably be shipped by distributions alongside GNOME 3.0.
A short term solution is required at the bare minimum to fix that -
which can be done as I noted.
Where's the problem? Have the release tarballs already and irrevocably
been forged and fed into some unstoppable mechanism?
On 22 July 2011 17:17, Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org wrote:
Now lets go into something more productive and perhaps we can fix this
before the sunny Desktop Summit.
Hi Olav,
In terms of being productive surrounding this, I have several questions:
Screenshots on your live wiki indicate
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 17:53 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
On 22 July 2011 17:17, Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org wrote:
Now lets go into something more productive and perhaps we can fix this
before the sunny Desktop Summit.
Hi Olav,
In terms of being productive surrounding this, I have
2011/7/23 Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com:
I'd like to suggest that the GNOME developers consider changing the
public name of their app to System Preferences. This matches the Mac
OS X design and arguably GNOME follows some parts of OS X design.
Furthermore, it is more in line with
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 09:17:17AM +1200, Ben Cooksley wrote:
Now lets go into something more productive and perhaps we can fix this
before the sunny Desktop Summit.
Hi Olav,
In terms of being productive surrounding this, I have several questions:
Screenshots on your live wiki
This is what happens when you mix and match bits and pieces from
different operating systems. There is really not much that can be done
about it. Since that is what both KDE and GNOME are trying to do:
build complete, self-contained systems.
So far we are running the same OS (for most of us it
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
On 22 July 2011 17:17, Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org wrote:
To be more specific about the problem, installing kde-workspace to a
GNOME installation results in 2 indistinguishable apps named System
Settings and 2 named
Hi,
I find what is proposed by Shaun to be acceptable, as the distinction
between the two is clearly defined. It still allows users to determine
the correct System Settings application to use to configure KDE
applications with what is probably the most minimal level of
confusion.
KDE System
Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com a écrit:
On 2011-07-23 at 11:27, Dodji Seketeli wrote:
Why? Do you have an example that would show where Shaun's proposal
falls short?
it falls short in showing:
System Settings
KDE System Settings
under Gnome, and:
System Settings
Gnome
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org wrote:
@Matthias: please explain how this doesn't solve the issue.
It certainly solves the immediate symptom of 'two things in the menu
are named the same'.
On Saturday, July 23, 2011 04:41:05 AM Ben Cooksley wrote:
Hi,
I find what is proposed by Shaun to be acceptable, as the distinction
between the two is clearly defined. It still allows users to determine
the correct System Settings application to use to configure KDE
applications with what
Le 23/07/2011 12:33, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
On 2011-07-23 at 11:27, Dodji Seketeli wrote:
Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com a écrit:
I don't think Shauns proposal addresses the issue, really.
Why? Do you have an example that would show where Shaun's proposal
falls short?
it
Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
Settings would not be installed.
You are only likely to get both System Settings pre-installed if your
computer was shipped with both KDE and Gnome desktops.
To all concerned developers,
As you may or may not be aware, the name System Settings for an
application is currently in use by KDE. A recent renaming by your
GNOME control center developers to this name creates a naming
conflict. This naming conflict will cause severe problems for users as
a
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 08:21:14PM +1200, Ben Cooksley wrote:
As KDE occupied this name first, it is ours as a result, and I will
NOT be relinquishing it to satisfy your personal (selfish) desires,
which will cause numerous problems for users on both sides.
Always nice to meet a fellow free
Now lets go into something more productive and perhaps we can fix this
before the sunny Desktop Summit.
Hi Olav,
In terms of being productive surrounding this, I have several questions:
Screenshots on your live wiki indicate that GNOME developers were
aware of the use of the System Settings
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