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On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 01:08:46 PM Sebastian Kügler wrote:
did you try running plasma-desktop or plasmoidviewer through gdb to get a
backtrace?
Crashes in plasmoidviewer, but no debug symbols or stack trace.
Would kde-runtime-dbg be the one to install?
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Crashes in plasmoidviewer, but no debug symbols or stack trace.
Would kde-runtime-dbg be the one to install?
Yes, possibly kdelibs*dbg and kde-workspace*dbg as well, and perhaps Qt*dbg.
installed,
kde-runtime-dbg
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 02:35:31 PM Thomas Lübking wrote:
Unfortunately, still no debug info
You mean no Dr. Konqui?
Nope, I mean gdb reports not debug info.
gdb plasmoidviewer
...
Reading symbols from plasmoidviewer...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
(gdb) run digital-clock
Starting
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:04:00 PM Thomas Lübking wrote:
I tried plasmoidviewer and plasma-desktop with --nofork, but no
debug info for either.
You get the No stack output from
gdb --args plasma-desktop --nofork
???
No idea what could cause that (except nofork being broken - there'd
Any idea what could be causing this? Over the weekend a Kubuntu update (I
think) started this happening on my desktop, adding any date/time related
widget causes plasma-desktop to die.
Have run plasma-desktop --nofork, there is no output, it just stops. No
opportunity for a stack trace.
Kubuntu
A user on the kubuntu forums had a problem baloo_file_extractor bring their
system to its knees.
How would they go about identifying what it was doing?
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On 27 May 2014 07:55, Vishesh Handa m...@vhanda.in wrote:
http://community.kde.org/Baloo/Debugging
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Lindsay Mathieson
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A user on the kubuntu forums had a problem baloo_file_extractor bring
their
system to its
On Wed, 21 May 2014 01:42:18 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
Nope. But I think the exif one should be able to handle it. I'm not sure if
there is anything apart from the width and height that needs to be
extracted.
Ya, for some reason I thought gifs could have arbitrary tags, but that doesn't
seem
On Mon, 19 May 2014 09:31:32 AM David Edmundson wrote:
All extractors are here:
https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/kfilemetadata/repository/revis
ions/master/show/src/extractors
They are plugins.
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Dolphin used to return emails in its searches (and I presume all nepomuk item
types), but now it just returns file results.
- Is this deliberate?
- Will it always be so?
I have no particular axe to grind, for me file only makes more sense, but
someone was asking on the kubuntu forums.
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On Sun, 18 May 2014 03:21:02 AM Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
iirc that was intentional as Dolphin is a file manager - if you want to
search through your E-Mail you rather want to use KRunner or KMail.
Makes sense to me,
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As per the subject - should I be setting it to old or new?
CMake Warning (dev) in lib/CMakeLists.txt:
Policy CMP0022 is not set: INTERFACE_LINK_LIBRARIES defines the link
interface. Run cmake --help-policy CMP0022 for policy details. Use the
cmake_policy command to set the policy and
On Mon, 12 May 2014 04:19:28 PM Pramiti Goel wrote:
1)I have installed package acl still it is showing the following recommended
package not found.
In the future, post the actual error message, but I assume you mean the acl
package itself.
You need to install the dev libs, e.g. libacl1-dev
On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 10:16:01 AM Ignacio Serantes wrote:
Hi,
Can't compile because file baloodefaults.cpp is not found.
Oops, sorry. Its there now.
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Hi,
Ok, compiled and gui seems to work.
Excellent
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 02:01:21 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
Nope. We didn't in the Nepomuk days.
Copy the file for now. I can possibly export for 4.14.
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:44:30 AM Vishesh Handa wrote:
I've created a page over here [1] documenting all the config values. This
should cover all your use cases. Let me know if you want any more info.
Are exclusion filters for mime-types still supported?
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Baloo has a versioned list of file mime type exclude defaults, but its not
exposed outside of the baloo src tree.
Is there a better way than copy paste to use them? I believe nepomuk exposed
an api for the default values.
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 02:32:07 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
Fresh Update
* Basic Doc book. The text can largely be ignored, took me a while to
figure out how to link it to the help button:) Not sure who to attribute it to,
the docs seem to imply the text of the help rather than the subject
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 01:42:43 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
Well, I'd always said that any alternatives are more than welcome. In fact
all of the code on github is mine, before I redesigned the UI.
Yah, like I said, I pulled the code from the old nepomuk kcm and modified it
slightly to fit.
Its
In baloofilerc, Group [Basic Settings], what is the difference between the
Enabled and Indexing-Enabled boolean settings?
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:44:30 AM Vishesh Handa wrote:
I've created a page over here [1] documenting all the config values. This
should cover all your use cases. Let me know if you want any more info.
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Luca Beltrame wrote:
I would suggest you to remove references to Baloo as
it is jargon and should not be exposed to end user.
Unless people have objections I'll do that and see how it looks.
Burkhard Lück lu...@hube-lueck.de wrote:
Patch to fix broken i18n attached.
Thanks, applied.
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:55:51 AM Vishesh Handa wrote:
You seem to have committed you .kdev4 folder and kcm-adv.kdev4 files as
well.
Oops, always doing that ...
You probably want to modify your .gitignore
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Is this the right cmake macro for adding dbus interfaces?
qt4_add_dbus_interface(kcm_file_SRCS
${DBUS_INTERFACES_INSTALL_DIR}/org.kde.baloo.file.indexer.xml
baloofileindexerinterface)
it works, but don't know if DBUS_INTERFACES_INSTALL_DIR is portable.
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I think
KDE4_DBUS_INTERFACES_DIR is the right variable.
That did it, thanks.
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:42:17 AM Ben Cooksley wrote:
Due to the current tone of this mailing list I have enabled emergency
moderation for this mailing list.
My apologies for contributing to this, especially the Arrogant phrase, it is
unwarranted.
While I have said it before, I'd like to
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:38:02 AM Kevin Krammer wrote:
Hmm, what about an additional UI?
As far as I know there is no enforces one-to-one mapping of KCM and
service/config file, basically any KCM can change any config.
Correct.
I'm working on a alternate KCM now, using the existing KCM as a
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:50:08 PM Thom Castermans wrote:
you should always ask
for a feature *nicely*
Poeple aren't asking for features - they are asking for features to be removed
that were forced on them.
With regards to whitelisting they are asking for a useful feature to be
restored that
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:28:36 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
I am currently testing 3.14/trunk and was unplesently surprised there was
no way to disable indexing at all. I note, even windows lets you disable
its indexing/search services. Forcing it on for users in KDE is not the
KDE way.
Could
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:18:56 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
The way we did stuff for the KCM was to design personas, establish
use-cases, and then see what amount of configurability best satisfied the
personas and use- cases we were trying.
The very opposite of consultation. You only created the
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:25:31 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
Vishesh described a perfectly legitimate approach and you're hounding him
because your particular corner case was not considered as important as what
is considered the common use cases. The feature is on by default, can be
turned off
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:12:20 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
This is a developer list where these things are meant to be discussed.
Yes, keyword here being *discussing*.
Saying Vishesh is arrogant is not discussing.
Actually the phrase Arrogant was being thrown at me and others first.
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:34:28 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
781 replies, all asking for the option to disable indexing to be restored,
78 replies, 26 of which are mine. And not all say the same thing.
Sorry 781 was a typo.
But of the replies not yours, most wanting the option.
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:25:55 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
Again, with the straw men. to quote Vishesh's blog **We** would like to
promote the use of (my emphasis). No suggestion except by you that
this is one person's thinking on the subject.
I think the more important question for me is -
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:40:57 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
If the process has gone haywire to such a degree it needs to be deactivated
it can be, via the UI as it exists now, with the explicit 'exclude' option
that will trigger the same functionality that appears to be being re-added,
via
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:57:51 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
They do. They can be turned off via the UI,
Nope.
ok, no longer worth having a discussion if you can't muster a better
response than this
I was referring to the UI as is. I'm glad that Vishesh is considering adding
an option for
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 06:02:08 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
also again: straw man. I and no one else in this conversation has said that
opinions may not be expressed, all anyone seems to have done here is
patiently discuss things with you and ask you to show a modicum of respect
to those that
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I can ask for an exception from the release team and ship this with 4.13
Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
Trouble is, if you then add $HOME as an exclude path it just displays the
Home Icon and no string at all. Would HomeIcon/ be better?
I've taken the liberty of modifying
Unless I'm having a complete brain fart on the subject, this is a fix for a
small but legit problem isn't it?
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:18:56 AM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
but if you
use KMail it(akonadi_baloo_indexer) will still index your emails into the
Baloo database, and may be other baloo_stuff (not aware of others existing)
running.
Contacts and calendar as well.
If the akonadi_baloo resource
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Its been broken for at least a week now:
dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/project-neon5-
kinfocenter_0.0+git20140407.21+neon3~fd347d3~14.04_amd64.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite '/opt/project-neon5/etc/xdg/menus/kde-information.menu',
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Before I swapped my 1TB boot disk for a SSD I used to have large root
partition with a /data directory contain documents etc
I tested this by manually creating a /data2 directory owned by me with some
sample data.
It is not auto indexed by baloo and there is no way of specifying it via the
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 02:10:43 PM Christoph Feck wrote:
Please create a ticket at bugs.kde.org, so we can track progress.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333020
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:39:47 AM Thiago Macieira wrote:
I'm not trying to bash anyone, I'm just really wondering about that. Is
rekonq good enough for most KDE users (I find that hard to believe)?
Why do you think it's hard to believe?
I use rekonq for almost everything and for my full
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:52:58 AM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
In any case, I have two screenshots - [1] shows the config detecting one of
my extra drives that it is not including by default. If I want it to be
indexed, I remove it from the list which gives you [2]. Now, looking at
this UI, there
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 03:44:34 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
It would be awesome if you could come up with some test cases where you're
looking for a particular file, and the top result(s) is not the one you
expected because of these garbage files.
Backups, Archives, Shared folder repositories -
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:14:52 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
And totally breaks on any machine with multiple user accounts, which is
actually quite common, both for business and home usage.
Why would it break on multiple user accounts?
My searches shouldn't be returning results for other
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:19:58 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
You've surveyed users on this? have some data?
Have you?
I'm not the one making assertions about most users.
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:19:26 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
We don't need to filter out source code, it already does.
We don't need to black list external devices, it already does.
It just works out of the box.
Except when it doesn't.
Then it's a bug, report it and will be fixed
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:19:26 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
I don't like this automagic stuff.
This is not a very good sentence to be honest. You shouldn't be using a
computer at all if you don't like automagic stuff.
ha ha.
Automagic refers to software that tries to guess whats best for
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:26:26 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
I'm not the one making assertions about most users.
I disagree. Better to leave it bare and simple initially seems like you
are making assertions about most users.
No, it means not predetermining the outcome, but seeing what user
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 04:35:56 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
Do the code, I'm sure we can review the changes and agree on them if they
are good
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On 31 March 2014 08:11, Vishesh Handa vha...@kde.org wrote:
On Monday, March 31, 2014 07:16:13 AM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
Why are you so intent on telling us what we should be indexing? what is
wrong with giving the user choice?
Nepomuk was never just about searching. It was also about
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:38:59 AM Vishesh Handa wrote:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332760
It's not about the width. The single folder looks much better and is less
scarier.
Good grief. I can't believe you said that.
Point me to a bug report of user list posting saying that
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:17:45 AM you wrote:
- A simple black list will not do. I need a white list - the ability to
specify disjoint folders for indexing, not the other way around. And I'm
sure the majority of people will be the same.
What makes you say that?
The more I think on it,
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:38:59 AM Vishesh Handa wrote:
What would you recommend? Apart from both white list and black lists, which
I'm against.
Why are you against them? considering you are using a blacklist.
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What would you recommend? Apart from both white list and black lists,
I quite liked the old directory tree with check boxes. Flexible, clear and
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:23:50 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
We do not index everything. That would be foolhardy. We just index your
HOME by default.
There's no indication of this on the config UI at al.
So how do I index Paths that are out side my home dir, such as my /data dir?
Just specifying
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:23:50 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
That's exactly what is done right now. How about you have a look at the
config file and the implementation?
~/.kde/share/config$/baloofilerc?
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 01:43:46 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
Feel free to take the old nepomuk KCM code and make it into a Baloo Index
Tweaking application. The backend code still supports all the features
that you seem to want.
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 01:40:58 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
The external mount is not shown in the KCM? If it isn't then we need to fix
that. Please run the following command -
$ solid-hardware query 'Is StorageAccess'
You will get a list of ids. You can get more info about each of them via -
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 02:04:11 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
If you remove the external media from the black-list, then it goes in the
white list and is going to be indexed.
Ok, seems a bit complicated and black magic - I'd prefer to explicitly set
directories rather then hope the software guesses
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 02:18:24 PM Andrea Scarpino wrote:
We had a bad experience with Nepomuk and now we want to control everything
about this new desktop search settings, but we don't have to.
We don't need to filter out source code, it already does.
We don't need to black list external
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:00:36 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
What I was really trying to do was hide the concept of indexing from the
user. They care about searching, not about indexing.
You've surveyed users on this? have some data?
Users care about results and confidence in those results.
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:21:26 PM Thomas Lübking wrote:
To me it translates to the simple fact that I doubt that other people know
what i want/need to be indexed and i'd like to know and control what is
indexed on MY box, so don't try to turn it into a techinal insult, that's
ridiculous. You
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:09:10 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
In those cases they can report bugs and we can fix it. I would really like
if you could bring many of these edge cases. Lets try to find a
solution?
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Given we have baloo now, should I still be building nepomuk-core nepomuk-
widgets?
I'm unclear as to whether baloo is a replacement for nepomuk or a new backend
for it.
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 05:28:16 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
You're trying to engineer the baloo config to be automatic for everyone
and
it just can't be done.
Better to leave it bare and simple initially, and see what happens in
userland. It might shake out quite differently to what you
1. Is the baloo file index stored at: ~.kde/share/apps/baloo/file/ ?
2. Would deleting the above directory be sufficient to fore a reindex of my
content?
3. Is there a way to control the baloo process so I can stop/start it? there
does not appear to be a nepomukctl equivalent.
The reason
I took a look at the developer list, but it seems to be all Dolphin now.
Was interested in adding a couple of features.
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:29:11 AM Àlex Fiestas wrote:
he best thing about free software is that projects never die, so go ahead
and implement those features!
Is there still a project maintainer who can ok additions? I want to make minor
changes to the UI and add inline spellchecking for the
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 03:48:08 PM Sebastian Kügler wrote:
Well, yes and no. It's a feature missing at this point, but will be
delivered later.
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If you're using Plasma Next (which isn't really clear from your email),
then it's https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332512
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 08:20:05 AM Jan Grulich wrote:
That's our first release, I strongly recommend update to 0.9.3.3. I think
you will have to compile it from tarballs, as your distro probably doesn't
provide updates to the latest version.
I just upraded to Kubuntu 14.04 which has 0.9.3.3 and
KDE 4.12.95 (Kubuntu 14.04 Beta 2)
Is there work planned for this? because as is, its quite confusing and appears
to be missing crucial settings.
All I'm seeing is a Do not search in these locations' list of folder leaves.
- For a start off, only listing the last section of the directory name
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 08:20:05 AM Jan Grulich wrote:
That's our first release, I strongly recommend update to 0.9.3.3. I think
you will have to compile it from tarballs, as your distro probably doesn't
provide updates to the latest version.
Not really buildable on kubuntu kde 4.13.
Project
As per the subject - what would be the best category for reporting usability
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make sure you have the latest version before you report something, because
the latest version is a huge step forward in usability.
KDE 4.12.3, which I presume is to old for that ;)
Would Project Neon be suitable for the latest? (Frameworks 2)
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 11:49:56 PM Jan Grulich wrote:
Our applet is not part of KDE SC, just check the version of plasma-nm or how
it is called in your distribution.
Version: 0.9.3.0-0ubuntu5
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On 13 July 2013 11:44, Christoph Feck christ...@maxiom.de wrote:
On Saturday 13 July 2013 00:03:16 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
Is it ok for std KDE apps to majorly depart from std UI guidelines?
We cannot force the guidelines, only recommend them. As a user, you
could report those issues
Further to a question on kdepim - should nepomuk_file_indexer be running as
well as baloo_file?
Or is nepomuk_file_indexer obsolete?
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I thought so, thanks Andreas.
On 14 March 2014 11:34, Andreas Hartmetz ahartm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 14 March 2014 07:13:16 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
Further to a question on kdepim - should nepomuk_file_indexer be running as
well as baloo_file?
Or is nepomuk_file_indexer obsolete
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