Re: getting started with KF5

[Dwayne MacKinnon]

Chromium? Yeah, that's a *lot* of patches. I wish I could offer to help with 
the port, but my coding skills are way too rusty to wade into that.

When it's ready though, I will happily volunteer to test it. For the time 
being I'm going to stick with KF5 and use Thunderbird. 

Cheers,
DMK

On September 20, 2016 06:31:02 PM Tobias C. Berner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, it is a sucky situation.
> 
> It's basically chromium, and needs patches, lots and lots of patches, as
> none of the BSDs are supported.
> See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212817#c1 for some
> more detail.
> 
> 
> 
> mfg Tobias
> 
> On 20 September 2016 at 18:11, Dwayne MacKinnon  wrote:
> > Ouch. That might be a show-stopper for me. I use kmail a *lot*.
> > 
> > Out of curiosity, what's the issue with Qt5WebEngine? It doesn't do
> > anything silly like depend on systemd does it?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > DMK
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Tobias C. Berner" 
> > To: "d...@ncf.ca d...@ncf.ca" 
> > Cc: "Tobias" , "Adriaan" , "KDE" <
> > kde-freebsd@kde.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:36:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: getting started with KF5
> > 
> > Hi there
> > 
> > 
> > Unfortunately kdepim-16.* requires Qt5WebEngine. So it cannot be built at
> > the
> > moment on FreeBSD.
> > On the other hand kdepim-4* conflicts with components installed by the
> > plasma5
> > Desktop. So it cannot be installed either.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > In short: at the moment, you cannot have a KDE Pim Suite.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have ~100 patches locally to make it build against Qt5WebKit again,
> > which
> > in
> > turn let's it be installed again. However, one of the reasons WebEngine
> > was
> > chosen upstream to replace WebKit was security. So I'm not quite sure,
> > these
> > patches are really the "right" thing to do. Also they need more work =)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > mfg Tobias
> > 
> > On 20 September 2016 at 06:24, Dwayne MacKinnon  wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Decided to give kf5 a go on my system. I was wondering, do I have to go
> > > back to kdepim4? I get a message that the new akonadi needs
> > 
> > qt5-webengine,
> > 
> > > which hasn't been ported yet.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > DMK
> > > On Sep 19, 2016 3:14 AM, "Tobias C. Berner" 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > On 19 September 2016 at 00:54, Adriaan de Groot  wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Monday 19 September 2016 08:45:39 Graham Menhennitt wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > I'm new to this and would like to test some KF5 stuff. I'm running
> > > > FreeBSD stable-11 on AMD64. Could somebody please tell me how to get
> > > > started.
> > > > 
> > > > I know that I have to get the SVN repo from area51. But what's the
> > > > next
> > > > step? Do I copy that over the top of a standard ports repo? Or do I
> > 
> > have
> > 
> > > > to merge things somehow? And then what - "cd /usr/ports/x11/kde;
> > > > make"?
> > >  
> > >  - Get area51. Get the plasma5/ branch, because it's where the current
> > > 
> > > state-
> > > of-the-art lives.
> > > 
> > >  - (optional) get a separate ports checkout somewhere
> > >  - in the plasma5/ checkout, run
> > >  
> > > $ sh Tools/scripts/kdemerge -a /path/to/ports
> > >
> > >This will merge all the KDE area51 ports into that ports tree (which
> > 
> > is
> > 
> > > why
> > > you might want to use a separate ports checkout, so it's easy to undo).
> > > 
> > >  - For the biggest effect, build x11/kde5
> > >  - It might be good to switch off your display manager (if you have one
> > > 
> > > already
> > > on your FreeBSD system) and using startx for a bit. You probably just
> > 
> > need
> > 
> > > exec /usr/local/bin/startkde in .xinitrc (note that the plasma5 branch
> > > shuffles
> > > some KDE4 ports around, and what used to be startkde becomes startkde4).
> > > 
> > > There are also packages provided by swills@ which might be the fastest
> > > way to
> > > give it a go:
> > > There is a script to add the repo here [if I picked the right one]:
> > > https://gist.github.com/swills/8a9a9f8a529256f134830c2a1476db0c
> > > or you can of course also manually add/modify a repo.conf.
> > > 
> > > > Is there a list of what I can expect to work and what won't?
> > > 
> > > I think tcb uses plasma5 on FreeBSD as his primary desktop, so "most"
> > > things
> > > apparently work. I've got to admit to sticking with KDE4 desktop, mostly
> > > out
> > > of inertia.
> > > 
> > > Indeed I do :) -- things mostly seem to work.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [ade]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > mfg Tobias

Re: getting started with KF5

[Tobias C. Berner]

Hi,

Yes, it is a sucky situation.

It's basically chromium, and needs patches, lots and lots of patches, as
none of the BSDs are supported.
See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212817#c1 for some
more detail.



mfg Tobias


On 20 September 2016 at 18:11, Dwayne MacKinnon  wrote:

> Ouch. That might be a show-stopper for me. I use kmail a *lot*.
>
> Out of curiosity, what's the issue with Qt5WebEngine? It doesn't do
> anything silly like depend on systemd does it?
>
> Cheers,
> DMK
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tobias C. Berner" 
> To: "d...@ncf.ca d...@ncf.ca" 
> Cc: "Tobias" , "Adriaan" , "KDE" <
> kde-freebsd@kde.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:36:27 AM
> Subject: Re: getting started with KF5
>
> Hi there
>
>
> Unfortunately kdepim-16.* requires Qt5WebEngine. So it cannot be built at
> the
> moment on FreeBSD.
> On the other hand kdepim-4* conflicts with components installed by the
> plasma5
> Desktop. So it cannot be installed either.
>
>
>
> In short: at the moment, you cannot have a KDE Pim Suite.
>
>
>
> I have ~100 patches locally to make it build against Qt5WebKit again, which
> in
> turn let's it be installed again. However, one of the reasons WebEngine was
> chosen upstream to replace WebKit was security. So I'm not quite sure,
> these
> patches are really the "right" thing to do. Also they need more work =)
>
>
>
>
> mfg Tobias
>
> On 20 September 2016 at 06:24, Dwayne MacKinnon  wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Decided to give kf5 a go on my system. I was wondering, do I have to go
> > back to kdepim4? I get a message that the new akonadi needs
> qt5-webengine,
> > which hasn't been ported yet.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > DMK
> > On Sep 19, 2016 3:14 AM, "Tobias C. Berner" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > On 19 September 2016 at 00:54, Adriaan de Groot  wrote:
> >
> > On Monday 19 September 2016 08:45:39 Graham Menhennitt wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm new to this and would like to test some KF5 stuff. I'm running
> > > FreeBSD stable-11 on AMD64. Could somebody please tell me how to get
> > > started.
> > >
> > > I know that I have to get the SVN repo from area51. But what's the next
> > > step? Do I copy that over the top of a standard ports repo? Or do I
> have
> > > to merge things somehow? And then what - "cd /usr/ports/x11/kde; make"?
> >
> >  - Get area51. Get the plasma5/ branch, because it's where the current
> > state-
> > of-the-art lives.
> >  - (optional) get a separate ports checkout somewhere
> >  - in the plasma5/ checkout, run
> > $ sh Tools/scripts/kdemerge -a /path/to/ports
> >This will merge all the KDE area51 ports into that ports tree (which
> is
> > why
> > you might want to use a separate ports checkout, so it's easy to undo).
> >  - For the biggest effect, build x11/kde5
> >  - It might be good to switch off your display manager (if you have one
> > already
> > on your FreeBSD system) and using startx for a bit. You probably just
> need
> > exec /usr/local/bin/startkde in .xinitrc (note that the plasma5 branch
> > shuffles
> > some KDE4 ports around, and what used to be startkde becomes startkde4).
> >
> > There are also packages provided by swills@ which might be the fastest
> > way to
> > give it a go:
> > There is a script to add the repo here [if I picked the right one]:
> > https://gist.github.com/swills/8a9a9f8a529256f134830c2a1476db0c
> > or you can of course also manually add/modify a repo.conf.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Is there a list of what I can expect to work and what won't?
> >
> > I think tcb uses plasma5 on FreeBSD as his primary desktop, so "most"
> > things
> > apparently work. I've got to admit to sticking with KDE4 desktop, mostly
> > out
> > of inertia.
> >
> > Indeed I do :) -- things mostly seem to work.
> >
> >
> >
> > [ade]
> >
> >
> > mfg Tobias
> >
> >
>

Re: getting started with KF5

[Dwayne MacKinnon]

Ouch. That might be a show-stopper for me. I use kmail a *lot*.

Out of curiosity, what's the issue with Qt5WebEngine? It doesn't do 
anything silly like depend on systemd does it?

Cheers,
DMK

- Original Message -
From: "Tobias C. Berner" 
To: "d...@ncf.ca d...@ncf.ca" 
Cc: "Tobias" , "Adriaan" , "KDE" 

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:36:27 AM
Subject: Re: getting started with KF5

Hi there


Unfortunately kdepim-16.* requires Qt5WebEngine. So it cannot be built at
the
moment on FreeBSD.
On the other hand kdepim-4* conflicts with components installed by the
plasma5
Desktop. So it cannot be installed either.



In short: at the moment, you cannot have a KDE Pim Suite.



I have ~100 patches locally to make it build against Qt5WebKit again, which
in
turn let's it be installed again. However, one of the reasons WebEngine was
chosen upstream to replace WebKit was security. So I'm not quite sure, these
patches are really the "right" thing to do. Also they need more work =)




mfg Tobias

On 20 September 2016 at 06:24, Dwayne MacKinnon  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Decided to give kf5 a go on my system. I was wondering, do I have to go
> back to kdepim4? I get a message that the new akonadi needs qt5-webengine,
> which hasn't been ported yet.
>
> Thanks,
> DMK
> On Sep 19, 2016 3:14 AM, "Tobias C. Berner"  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> On 19 September 2016 at 00:54, Adriaan de Groot  wrote:
>
> On Monday 19 September 2016 08:45:39 Graham Menhennitt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to this and would like to test some KF5 stuff. I'm running
> > FreeBSD stable-11 on AMD64. Could somebody please tell me how to get
> > started.
> >
> > I know that I have to get the SVN repo from area51. But what's the next
> > step? Do I copy that over the top of a standard ports repo? Or do I have
> > to merge things somehow? And then what - "cd /usr/ports/x11/kde; make"?
>
>  - Get area51. Get the plasma5/ branch, because it's where the current
> state-
> of-the-art lives.
>  - (optional) get a separate ports checkout somewhere
>  - in the plasma5/ checkout, run
> $ sh Tools/scripts/kdemerge -a /path/to/ports
>This will merge all the KDE area51 ports into that ports tree (which is
> why
> you might want to use a separate ports checkout, so it's easy to undo).
>  - For the biggest effect, build x11/kde5
>  - It might be good to switch off your display manager (if you have one
> already
> on your FreeBSD system) and using startx for a bit. You probably just need
> exec /usr/local/bin/startkde in .xinitrc (note that the plasma5 branch
> shuffles
> some KDE4 ports around, and what used to be startkde becomes startkde4).
>
> There are also packages provided by swills@ which might be the fastest
> way to
> give it a go:
> There is a script to add the repo here [if I picked the right one]:
> https://gist.github.com/swills/8a9a9f8a529256f134830c2a1476db0c
> or you can of course also manually add/modify a repo.conf.
>
>
>
> > Is there a list of what I can expect to work and what won't?
>
> I think tcb uses plasma5 on FreeBSD as his primary desktop, so "most"
> things
> apparently work. I've got to admit to sticking with KDE4 desktop, mostly
> out
> of inertia.
>
> Indeed I do :) -- things mostly seem to work.
>
>
>
> [ade]
>
>
> mfg Tobias
>
>

Re: getting started with KF5

[Tobias C. Berner]

Hi there


Unfortunately kdepim-16.* requires Qt5WebEngine. So it cannot be built at
the
moment on FreeBSD.
On the other hand kdepim-4* conflicts with components installed by the
plasma5
Desktop. So it cannot be installed either.



In short: at the moment, you cannot have a KDE Pim Suite.



I have ~100 patches locally to make it build against Qt5WebKit again, which
in
turn let's it be installed again. However, one of the reasons WebEngine was
chosen upstream to replace WebKit was security. So I'm not quite sure, these
patches are really the "right" thing to do. Also they need more work =)




mfg Tobias

On 20 September 2016 at 06:24, Dwayne MacKinnon  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Decided to give kf5 a go on my system. I was wondering, do I have to go
> back to kdepim4? I get a message that the new akonadi needs qt5-webengine,
> which hasn't been ported yet.
>
> Thanks,
> DMK
> On Sep 19, 2016 3:14 AM, "Tobias C. Berner"  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> On 19 September 2016 at 00:54, Adriaan de Groot  wrote:
>
> On Monday 19 September 2016 08:45:39 Graham Menhennitt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to this and would like to test some KF5 stuff. I'm running
> > FreeBSD stable-11 on AMD64. Could somebody please tell me how to get
> > started.
> >
> > I know that I have to get the SVN repo from area51. But what's the next
> > step? Do I copy that over the top of a standard ports repo? Or do I have
> > to merge things somehow? And then what - "cd /usr/ports/x11/kde; make"?
>
>  - Get area51. Get the plasma5/ branch, because it's where the current
> state-
> of-the-art lives.
>  - (optional) get a separate ports checkout somewhere
>  - in the plasma5/ checkout, run
> $ sh Tools/scripts/kdemerge -a /path/to/ports
>This will merge all the KDE area51 ports into that ports tree (which is
> why
> you might want to use a separate ports checkout, so it's easy to undo).
>  - For the biggest effect, build x11/kde5
>  - It might be good to switch off your display manager (if you have one
> already
> on your FreeBSD system) and using startx for a bit. You probably just need
> exec /usr/local/bin/startkde in .xinitrc (note that the plasma5 branch
> shuffles
> some KDE4 ports around, and what used to be startkde becomes startkde4).
>
> There are also packages provided by swills@ which might be the fastest
> way to
> give it a go:
> There is a script to add the repo here [if I picked the right one]:
> https://gist.github.com/swills/8a9a9f8a529256f134830c2a1476db0c
> or you can of course also manually add/modify a repo.conf.
>
>
>
> > Is there a list of what I can expect to work and what won't?
>
> I think tcb uses plasma5 on FreeBSD as his primary desktop, so "most"
> things
> apparently work. I've got to admit to sticking with KDE4 desktop, mostly
> out
> of inertia.
>
> Indeed I do :) -- things mostly seem to work.
>
>
>
> [ade]
>
>
> mfg Tobias
>
>

Re: getting started with KF5

[Dwayne MacKinnon]

Hi all,

Decided to give kf5 a go on my system. I was wondering, do I have to go back to 
kdepim4? I get a message that the new akonadi needs qt5-webengine, which hasn't 
been ported yet.

Thanks,
DMK

On Sep 19, 2016 3:14 AM, "Tobias C. Berner"  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> On 19 September 2016 at 00:54, Adriaan de Groot  wrote:
>>
>> On Monday 19 September 2016 08:45:39 Graham Menhennitt wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'm new to this and would like to test some KF5 stuff. I'm running
>> > FreeBSD stable-11 on AMD64. Could somebody please tell me how to get
>> > started.
>> >
>> > I know that I have to get the SVN repo from area51. But what's the next
>> > step? Do I copy that over the top of a standard ports repo? Or do I have
>> > to merge things somehow? And then what - "cd /usr/ports/x11/kde; make"?
>>
>>  - Get area51. Get the plasma5/ branch, because it's where the current state-
>> of-the-art lives.
>>  - (optional) get a separate ports checkout somewhere
>>  - in the plasma5/ checkout, run
>>         $ sh Tools/scripts/kdemerge -a /path/to/ports
>>    This will merge all the KDE area51 ports into that ports tree (which is 
>> why
>> you might want to use a separate ports checkout, so it's easy to undo).
>>  - For the biggest effect, build x11/kde5
>>  - It might be good to switch off your display manager (if you have one 
>> already
>> on your FreeBSD system) and using startx for a bit. You probably just need
>> exec /usr/local/bin/startkde in .xinitrc (note that the plasma5 branch 
>> shuffles
>> some KDE4 ports around, and what used to be startkde becomes startkde4).
>
> There are also packages provided by swills@ which might be the fastest way to 
> give it a go:
> There is a script to add the repo here [if I picked the right one]:
> https://gist.github.com/swills/8a9a9f8a529256f134830c2a1476db0c 
> or you can of course also manually add/modify a repo.conf.
>
>>
>>
>> > Is there a list of what I can expect to work and what won't?
>>
>> I think tcb uses plasma5 on FreeBSD as his primary desktop, so "most" things
>> apparently work. I've got to admit to sticking with KDE4 desktop, mostly out
>> of inertia.
>
> Indeed I do :) -- things mostly seem to work.
>  
>>
>>
>> [ade]
>
>
> mfg Tobias 
>

Re: getting started with KF5

[Graham Menhennitt]

On 19/09/2016 17:14, Tobias C. Berner wrote:
> Hi
>
> On 19 September 2016 at 00:54, Adriaan de Groot  > wrote:
>
> On Monday 19 September 2016 08:45:39 Graham Menhennitt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to this and would like to test some KF5 stuff. I'm running
> > FreeBSD stable-11 on AMD64. Could somebody please tell me how to get
> > started.
> >
> > I know that I have to get the SVN repo from area51. But what's
> the next
> > step? Do I copy that over the top of a standard ports repo? Or
> do I have
> > to merge things somehow? And then what - "cd /usr/ports/x11/kde;
> make"?
>
>  - Get area51. Get the plasma5/ branch, because it's where the
> current state-
> of-the-art lives.
>  - (optional) get a separate ports checkout somewhere
>  - in the plasma5/ checkout, run
> $ sh Tools/scripts/kdemerge -a /path/to/ports
>This will merge all the KDE area51 ports into that ports tree
> (which is why
> you might want to use a separate ports checkout, so it's easy to
> undo).
>  - For the biggest effect, build x11/kde5
>  - It might be good to switch off your display manager (if you
> have one already
> on your FreeBSD system) and using startx for a bit. You probably
> just need
> exec /usr/local/bin/startkde in .xinitrc (note that the plasma5
> branch shuffles
> some KDE4 ports around, and what used to be startkde becomes
> startkde4).
>
> There are also packages provided by swills@ which might be the fastest
> way to 
> give it a go:
> There is a script to add the repo here [if I picked the right one]:
> https://gist.github.com/swills/8a9a9f8a529256f134830c2a1476db0c 
> or you can of course also manually add/modify a repo.conf.
>
>
>
> > Is there a list of what I can expect to work and what won't?
>
> I think tcb uses plasma5 on FreeBSD as his primary desktop, so
> "most" things
> apparently work. I've got to admit to sticking with KDE4 desktop,
> mostly out
> of inertia.
>
> Indeed I do :) -- things mostly seem to work.
>  
>
>
> [ade]
>
>
> mfg Tobias 
>
Thanks Tobias and Adriaan. I'll give it a try.

Thanks,

Graham

Re: getting started with KF5

[Tobias C. Berner]

Hi

On 19 September 2016 at 00:54, Adriaan de Groot  wrote:

> On Monday 19 September 2016 08:45:39 Graham Menhennitt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to this and would like to test some KF5 stuff. I'm running
> > FreeBSD stable-11 on AMD64. Could somebody please tell me how to get
> > started.
> >
> > I know that I have to get the SVN repo from area51. But what's the next
> > step? Do I copy that over the top of a standard ports repo? Or do I have
> > to merge things somehow? And then what - "cd /usr/ports/x11/kde; make"?
>
>  - Get area51. Get the plasma5/ branch, because it's where the current
> state-
> of-the-art lives.
>  - (optional) get a separate ports checkout somewhere
>  - in the plasma5/ checkout, run
> $ sh Tools/scripts/kdemerge -a /path/to/ports
>This will merge all the KDE area51 ports into that ports tree (which is
> why
> you might want to use a separate ports checkout, so it's easy to undo).
>  - For the biggest effect, build x11/kde5
>  - It might be good to switch off your display manager (if you have one
> already
> on your FreeBSD system) and using startx for a bit. You probably just need
> exec /usr/local/bin/startkde in .xinitrc (note that the plasma5 branch
> shuffles
> some KDE4 ports around, and what used to be startkde becomes startkde4).
>
There are also packages provided by swills@ which might be the fastest way
to
give it a go:
There is a script to add the repo here [if I picked the right one]:
https://gist.github.com/swills/8a9a9f8a529256f134830c2a1476db0c
or you can of course also manually add/modify a repo.conf.


>
> > Is there a list of what I can expect to work and what won't?
>
> I think tcb uses plasma5 on FreeBSD as his primary desktop, so "most"
> things
> apparently work. I've got to admit to sticking with KDE4 desktop, mostly
> out
> of inertia.
>
Indeed I do :) -- things mostly seem to work.


>
> [ade]
>

mfg Tobias

Re: getting started with KF5

[Adriaan de Groot]

On Monday 19 September 2016 08:45:39 Graham Menhennitt wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm new to this and would like to test some KF5 stuff. I'm running
> FreeBSD stable-11 on AMD64. Could somebody please tell me how to get
> started.
> 
> I know that I have to get the SVN repo from area51. But what's the next
> step? Do I copy that over the top of a standard ports repo? Or do I have
> to merge things somehow? And then what - "cd /usr/ports/x11/kde; make"?

 - Get area51. Get the plasma5/ branch, because it's where the current state-
of-the-art lives. 
 - (optional) get a separate ports checkout somewhere
 - in the plasma5/ checkout, run 
$ sh Tools/scripts/kdemerge -a /path/to/ports
   This will merge all the KDE area51 ports into that ports tree (which is why 
you might want to use a separate ports checkout, so it's easy to undo).
 - For the biggest effect, build x11/kde5
 - It might be good to switch off your display manager (if you have one already 
on your FreeBSD system) and using startx for a bit. You probably just need 
exec /usr/local/bin/startkde in .xinitrc (note that the plasma5 branch shuffles 
some KDE4 ports around, and what used to be startkde becomes startkde4).


> Is there a list of what I can expect to work and what won't?

I think tcb uses plasma5 on FreeBSD as his primary desktop, so "most" things 
apparently work. I've got to admit to sticking with KDE4 desktop, mostly out 
of inertia.

[ade]

getting started with KF5

[Graham Menhennitt]

Hi all,

I'm new to this and would like to test some KF5 stuff. I'm running 
FreeBSD stable-11 on AMD64. Could somebody please tell me how to get 
started.


I know that I have to get the SVN repo from area51. But what's the next 
step? Do I copy that over the top of a standard ports repo? Or do I have 
to merge things somehow? And then what - "cd /usr/ports/x11/kde; make"?


Is there a list of what I can expect to work and what won't?

Thanks for any help,

Graham