Re: HAMMER version 4 work in progress (NOT for production systems)

2009-11-03 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: the only real way to test it is by pulling the SATA cable out of the drive during heavy disk I/O (do NOT pull the power on a drive), or Matt, What thoughts in re pulling the (only) cable on a FW or USB-attached drive? (as it seesm both easier and 'safer' w/r acce

Re: NetBSD's veriexec port

2009-10-13 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: I'm only luke-warm on the concept. I would much rather see improvements in the virtual kernel technology w/ regards to ease of use, features, and performance. I think we risk serious fragmentation of the security space by implementing all these weird little

Re: human-readable dmesg

2009-05-22 Thread Bill Hacker
Sascha Wildner wrote: Matthew Dillon schrieb: I like the idea of putting it in a kernel module so we can have the messages if we want them. I'm just trying to avoid source duplication. OK, but still we have to be careful with removing/changing pcidevs file entries. They are not co

Re: GSoC: MP contention profiling

2009-05-16 Thread Bill Hacker
Michael Neumann wrote: Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Sat, 16 May 2009 22:12:00 +0800 Bill Hacker wrote: Robert Luciani wrote: Hi all, ...am currently in an empty room with only an ethernet cable and a mattress. I'll bite. WTF does a 'C' coder need with a *mattress*?

Re: GSoC: MP contention profiling

2009-05-16 Thread Bill Hacker
Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Sat, 16 May 2009 22:12:00 +0800 Bill Hacker wrote: Robert Luciani wrote: Hi all, ...am currently in an empty room with only an ethernet cable and a mattress. I'll bite. WTF does a 'C' coder need with a *mattress*? Helps with

Re: GSoC: MP contention profiling

2009-05-16 Thread Bill Hacker
Robert Luciani wrote: Hi all, ...am currently in an empty room with only an ethernet cable and a mattress. I'll bite. WTF does a 'C' coder need with a *mattress*? Bill

Re: shutdown doesnt shutdown the computer

2009-05-14 Thread Bill Hacker
Petr Janda wrote: Thank you all, Both shutdown -p and halt -p work. Petr While you are testing, how about 'init 0'? Bill On Fri, 15 May 2009 03:02:47 Matthew Dillon wrote: :Hi, :I often watch movies untill I fall asleep. As this has been generating : quite a bit of income for electricit

Re: DragonFly boot2 - moved out of commits thread

2009-03-09 Thread Bill Hacker
Oliver Fromme wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: > Bill hacker wrote: > > Meanwhile - perhaps you could pick up the DragonFlyBSD logo off the site > > and see about getting it slimmed-down to a 4-bit .pcx that works? > > I'll have a look at it if time permits. No pr

Re: DragonFly boot2 - moved out of commits thread

2009-03-08 Thread Bill Hacker
Oliver Fromme wrote: Sorry, this part of the thread is becoming more and more off-topic ... is there a dragonfly-chat group this could be moved to? ACK DUP DROP DROP ;-)

Re: Academic trip

2009-03-07 Thread Bill Hacker
Sdävtaker wrote: Hey, The Computer Sciences Department of my university is looking for people around the world to come Argentina and Lecture us for 5 days, it is a yearly event, usually they get 15-20 professors/researchers. The event will be around July 24. If someone is interested and want to c

Re: DragonFly boot2 - moved out of commits thread

2009-03-06 Thread Bill Hacker
Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Fri, March 6, 2009 1:42 pm, Oliver Fromme wrote: In theory, the Forth code could leave the graphics screen enabled. It's just a matter of removing one command from beastie.4th. Then splash(4) should follow on seamlessly, if it's configured to display the same imag

Re: DragonFly boot2 - moved out of commits thread

2009-03-06 Thread Bill Hacker
Oliver Fromme wrote: *snip* (evidence that senility is wasted on the aged...) so you can't implement it in Forth. nineteen NINETY 7/8 ??? IIRC, Chuck had ported FORTH to over a dozen machine/CPU architectures before the *1970's* were out. Sun didn't pick it just 'coz it fit into an affor

HAMMER status WEF March 2009 - outsider viewpoint

2009-03-05 Thread Bill Hacker
et happen to be running anything even the least bit hungry in userspace (Xorg and friends, even if idle). No need to take that detour. Hope and trust some food for thought comes out of this. First we walk. THEN we run Regards, Bill Hacker

Re: DragonFly boot2 - moved out of commits thread

2009-03-04 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: At the moment our boot loader is just the FreeBSD boot loader, though I have made significant modifications to boot1 / boot2 to better abstract out all the absolute addresses the originals used. I never liked the FICL stuff. It is almost unreadable to me wh

Re: DragonFly boot2 - moved out of commits thread

2009-03-04 Thread Bill Hacker
Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Wed, March 4, 2009 6:46 pm, Bill Hacker wrote: Meanwhile - perhaps you could pick up the DragonFlyBSD logo off the site and see about getting it slimmed-down to a 4-bit .pcx that works? Or perhaps its creator could do so, given the .pcx parameters? To make this

Re: DragonFly boot2 - moved out of commits thread

2009-03-04 Thread Bill Hacker
Oliver Fromme wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader > > > > I think DragonFly should be able to port it over without > > difficulty. Last time I looked, DF's boot loader was > > s

Re: DragonFly boot2 - moved out of commits thread

2009-03-03 Thread Bill Hacker
Oliver Fromme wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: > - 16K is enough space to hold a 'next-stage' bootloader with menus, and > a bit of graphics (Gag is a good look-and-feel example, BSD splash > screens less so..). You might be interested to have a look at this: http

Re: DragonFly boot2 - moved out of commits thread

2009-03-02 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: :If legacy boot2 couldn't grow beyond 8K, (or 16K) neither a 32K nor 64K :wrap would have mattered? : :And one can put a reasonably useful 16-bit Virtual Machine OS, Virtual :Memory System, with disk I/O and an editor into 8K. Even on an 8-bit :CPU. Forth and ASM didn't

Re: pkgsrc bulk build profile

2009-02-22 Thread Bill Hacker
Justin C. Sherrill wrote: Something interesting I noticed while doing an initial bulk pkgsrc build on df.v12.su: Build start: 2009-02-13 04:26 Build end: 2009-02-20 18:46 This machine has 4 2.4G cpus, but I think this is the same time I'd get on single-CPU pkgbox under good circumstances. My

Re: Hal and DragonFly

2008-11-26 Thread Bill Hacker
Robert Luciani wrote: Ubuntu may not, but many others do - either with modular Xorg OR (NetBSD) even with XF86. Not rally though. For example, if you have a new Nvidia card and Xorg thinks you're supposed to use the 'nv' driver but then nothing works because the card is too new. Or you have

Re: Hal and DragonFly

2008-11-25 Thread Bill Hacker
Robert Luciani wrote: Matthew Dillon wrote: Hey, great work! For our January release I would like to do a DVD release expanded on the SOC project (in addition to our standard CD release). Does anyone know the current status of that SOC project? I played with it when the SO

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-10 Thread Bill Hacker
Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: *trimmed* - bwi chipset does not show up as such. Is it even probed? kldload if_bwi You will need to fetch firmware mentioned in the bwi manpage. As far as I know, only some older 4311 parts work correctly. Best Regards, sephe Thanks, I'm not in need of it, so wi

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-10 Thread Bill Hacker
Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Bill Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Bill Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: *trimmed* (good news in re 'head' having the

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-09 Thread Bill Hacker
Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Bill Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Bill Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: *trimmed* (good news in re 'head' having the

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-09 Thread Bill Hacker
Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Bill Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: *trimmed* (good news in re 'head' having the missing stuff...) I'll try DFLY head 'later' - wanting to have a look at HAMMER progress,

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-09 Thread Bill Hacker
Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: *trimmed* Lenovo 3000 G400, DFLY 2.0.1_REL not using Broadcom WiFi or 10/100 NIC) What's the vendor id and product id of this bge? From such dmesg as I *can* get sight of, I see: === The WiFi: NetBSD 4.0.1 - reports, doesn't use: Broadcom BCM4311 (miscell

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-09 Thread Bill Hacker
Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 10:36:13PM +0800, Bill Hacker wrote: As of an hour or two ago, - 8-CURRENT has loaded on a 'white bread' Lenovo 3000 G400 and is using everything but the WiFi and modem. For the wifi, you might have some luck with iwn on NetBSD

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-09 Thread Bill Hacker
Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 10:36:13PM +0800, Bill Hacker wrote: As of an hour or two ago, - 8-CURRENT has loaded on a 'white bread' Lenovo 3000 G400 and is using everything but the WiFi and modem. For the wifi, you might have some luck with iwn on NetBSD 5+

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-09 Thread Bill Hacker
Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 12:23:31PM +0800, Bill Hacker wrote: - taking the all-too-ubiquitous Intel ICH7 thru 9 family - (Tyan, Asus, GigaByte Core-D/Core-2 MB), FreeBSD had been erratic to the point of requiring either staying with older releases AND NOT 'S

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-08 Thread Bill Hacker
Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 06:44:20PM -0500, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Sat, November 8, 2008 4:32 pm, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 04:56:21AM +0800, Bill Hacker wrote: It might be worth a look at recent OpenBSD releases. I have a very different

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-08 Thread Bill Hacker
Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Sat, November 8, 2008 4:32 pm, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 04:56:21AM +0800, Bill Hacker wrote: It might be worth a look at recent OpenBSD releases. I have a very different opinion of that code. Where would you recommend looking? For

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-08 Thread Bill Hacker
Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 04:56:21AM +0800, Bill Hacker wrote: It might be worth a look at recent OpenBSD releases. I have a very different opinion of that code. Joerg I don't have any opinion at all on the code. That I leave to coders. I just know what works

Re: Interrupt routing and friends ...

2008-11-08 Thread Bill Hacker
Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 03:13:12AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so which BSD is best? I read in the archives Matt stating that there are stilll problems in fbsd and IIRC someone else mentioning NetBSD as being better at this. Linux? Linux just has some quir

Re: HAMMER cleanup

2008-10-22 Thread Bill Hacker
Michel Salim wrote: Is there anything like Linux's anacron on the BSDs? Yep. Oddly enough it is 'anacron'. ;-) There are others... Bill It would just run any cron jobs missed because the computer was not on. Not sure if it can be configured to only kick off after the rest of the boot pr

Re: HAMMER cleanup

2008-10-22 Thread Bill Hacker
Edward O'Callaghan wrote: Hi, What if your box is running in a production env where it is doing IO 24/7 365days a year. Is stopping at any time to do a load of IO really that acceptable ? Regards, Edward. Rare indeed is the production box that doesn't have fairly consistent peak and valley p

Re: HAMMER cleanup

2008-10-22 Thread Bill Hacker
R&D box two *feet* away, it is easy to control how much of just what needs the full monty at each reboot. JM2CW, but a clean separation of basic boot and full-production has saved R azz many times over. Bill Hacker

Re: Working with files on HAMMER fs

2008-04-11 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthias Schmidt wrote: * Matthew Dillon wrote: If you re-extract the tar into an empty filesystem does the problem then show up again? If so I'd like to get a hold of that tarball to reproduce the problem. Does not work. Extracting fails: # tar xfz /root/ports.tar.gz [...] p

Re: Google Sommer of Code 2008

2008-03-05 Thread Bill Hacker
r least-common-denominator mode would do fine - most especially for portable / SAN devices. So - how about a 'flexible' DFLY fdisk to go along with a 'flexible' disklabel that could adapt to whatever it found / was told to create? JM2CW - but that *might* be a good place to get a cross-*BSD team together. *snip* (other good stuff) Bill Hacker

Re: Misc. ACPI / suspend

2008-03-02 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: :Wondering if anyone more well versed in the ACPI implementation could :comment on the applicability of: : :http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/4/6/69 : :w/r/t the current state of the art in Dfly : :(or BSD's in general) : :Cheers! : :- Chris I really have no idea re: this. Sus

Re: DMA (was sendmail bug et al..)

2008-02-20 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthias Schmidt wrote: * Bill Hacker wrote: First glance at the man page, 'dma' looks clean and KISS-driven.. NOT listening on port 25 takes care of a whole raft of potential exploits. What remans is to check errant script/daemon resistance. If you find any bugs, inconsistencie

DMA (was sendmail bug et al..)

2008-02-20 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthias Schmidt wrote: > * Bill Hacker wrote: >> Where can one find more info about dma? > > man 8 dma and > http://www.dragonflybsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/libexec/dma/ > >> My specific interest is relative resistance to abuse / misconfiguration with >&g

Re: sendmail 8.14 has a serious memory corruption bug in it

2008-02-20 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthias Schmidt wrote: * Petr Janda wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:50:22 am Bill Hacker wrote: Sendmail fits better than most for low/no admin to JFW at getting logs off-box and fit licensing parameters. Those implementing a full-bore MTA for serious use will make 'a' select

Re: sendmail 8.14 has a serious memory corruption bug in it

2008-02-19 Thread Bill Hacker
Petr Janda wrote: So when is DMA gonna replace Sendmail for local mail delivery? Sendmail is in pkgsrc and shouldnt be in the base system. Likewise we should dump everythign that doesn't need to be there and is in pkgsrc. I think... Old discussion. Something needs to be there. Sendmail fits

Re: sendmail 8.14 has a serious memory corruption bug in it

2008-02-19 Thread Bill Hacker
Claus Assmann wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: On 19/02/2008, Claus Assmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, they don't. I asked twice. (I could explain to you why they I'm quite curious what the reason is -- do you mind sharing it? I have only a single static IP

Re: sendmail 8.14 has a serious memory corruption bug in it

2008-02-19 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: Uh, Bill, I think you are misinterpreting the thread. He's simply saying that PacBell won't assign reverse DNS for his IP. It has nothing to do with RFC's, sendmail, or anything else. -Matt I beg to differ ..

Re: sendmail 8.14 has a serious memory corruption bug in it

2008-02-19 Thread Bill Hacker
Claus Assmann wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008, Bill Hacker wrote: Off topic, but I haven't used an MTA yet (sendmail, postfix, qmail, courier-mta, exim) .. that checks *websites* for MX or PTR RR's. What does that have to do with the MTA that rejected the reply? If someone rejects mail

Re: sendmail 8.14 has a serious memory corruption bug in it

2008-02-19 Thread Bill Hacker
- AND apply in the manner they require. It is an embarassingly bad example that deval team members of the 'senior service' MTA would not heed the RFC on that issue. A bit of effort, and I'm sure it can be repaired quickly. Bill Hacker

Re: Globbing

2008-02-15 Thread Bill Hacker
Oliver Fromme wrote: Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: *snip* good stuff, in archives if need... I has said I'd wiki-fy this but since it contines here .. what I had in mind is simple, and two-fold: First, that the use of a naked '*' as in either; rm * or rm -Rf *

Re: Globbing

2008-02-14 Thread Bill Hacker
Rahul Siddharthan wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: But the question was to find such all such files in a directory tree, not just in the current directory. No, the original question mentioned only a single directory. Someone lese then asked about a directory tree. My mistake, sorry. I took the ex

Re: Globbing

2008-02-14 Thread Bill Hacker
Rahul Siddharthan wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: That said, I remain surprised that others haven't already said, and sooner, rather than later, words to the effect: 'Yes, historical reasons quite aside, these common and frequently needed tools can too often be more arcane than they

Re: Globbing

2008-02-14 Thread Bill Hacker
Yury Tarasievich wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:16:20 +0200, Bill Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: Bill Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mind - there is more to it than just the rm or the globbing issue. The larger picture is a new set o

Re: Globbing

2008-02-13 Thread Bill Hacker
Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:43:34 +0100 "Simon 'corecode' Schubert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: After all, if use of find or xargs accomplishes the task w/o ill effects on memory, then what prevents creation of a compiled u

Re: Globbing

2008-02-13 Thread Bill Hacker
Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: After all, if use of find or xargs accomplishes the task w/o ill effects on memory, then what prevents creation of a compiled utility that has that same sort of 'flavor' of approach - just hard-wired from the get-go?

Re: Globbing

2008-02-13 Thread Bill Hacker
Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:48:16 + Bill Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: After all, if use of find or xargs accomplishes the task w/o ill effects on memory, then what prevents creation of a compiled utility that has that same sort of 'flavor'

Re: Globbing

2008-02-13 Thread Bill Hacker
Oliver Fromme wrote: *snip* In fact, I think it is cool that the ancient UNIX tools are still perfectly suitable to manage todays resources. I submit it would be more 'fair' to say '..no LESS suitable than they ever were..' ;-) People who write shell scripts will have to learn what

Re: Globbing (was Re: HAMMER update 10-Feb-2008)

2008-02-13 Thread Bill Hacker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: Matthew Dillon wrote: hours while csh eats up all the memory on your machine and everything comes to a grinding stop. It doesn't work. People need to learn to use find, xargs, awk, etc. -Matt Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Globbing (was Re: HAMMER update 10-Feb-2008)

2008-02-12 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: : :> it's called "|/" here) that works like xargs built-in. :>=20 :> find . -name "*.c" |/ rm -f "%" :>=20 find . -name "*.fubar" -delete In anycase, I don't think people quite grasp that there is no solution to the csh-globbing issue. You could allocate memor

Re: Globbing (was Re: HAMMER update 10-Feb-2008)

2008-02-11 Thread Bill Hacker
Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Mon, February 11, 2008 5:40 pm, Dave Hayes wrote: One can also argue that the mechanism is broken becuase it doesn't dynamically allocate enough memory to handle the result of an argument expansion in these days where 64KB is not a lot of memory. We have a solution

Re: Globbing (was Re: HAMMER update 10-Feb-2008)

2008-02-11 Thread Bill Hacker
Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: Matthias Schmidt wrote: * Oliver Fromme wrote: A few years ago FreeBSD increased the limit to 256 KB. I don't know if DragonFly did the same, but it doesn't matter much Nope, we haven't. Our size is still 65536, FreeBSD has 262144. But I don't see any reason n

Re: Globbing (was Re: HAMMER update 10-Feb-2008)

2008-02-11 Thread Bill Hacker
Oliver Fromme wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: > But the larger issue is indeed expanded globbing support *somewhere*. > > And not just for new file systems, but old ones that have long-since > outgrown the currently available resources. > > Massive drive and name space isn

Re: HAMMER update 10-Feb-2008

2008-02-11 Thread Bill Hacker
Adrian Chadd wrote: Well, unless someone implements some kernel-space globbing support (which would be nice for other reasons, alas..) then you may still be stuck with similar issues. *snip* Per my off-list note, have gotten much of it cleaned up with scripting et al. But the larger issue i

Re: HAMMER update 10-Feb-2008

2008-02-11 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: HAMMER is really shaping up now. Here's what works now: *snip* I have already run some tests with regards to the blockmap allocation model and it looks very good. What I did was implement an array of blockmap entry structures rather then just an array o

Re: HAMMER update 06-Feb-2008

2008-02-11 Thread Bill Hacker
Petr Janda wrote: I do expect the semi-real-time mirroring technology to be in by mid-year, because that will be directly tied into the UNDO fifo and the UNDO fifo is needed for crash recovery. Cheers, Is it possible at this stage to boot DragonFly kernel off a hammer filesystem ? Maybe it

Re: HAMMER update 06-Feb-2008

2008-02-10 Thread Bill Hacker
Petr Janda wrote: Make this a 1.12, because HAMMER is only in an alpha state. Then when HAMMER is production ready release, change the numbering scheme altogether. The roman numerals for example are nice, and would attract attention. DragonFly XIII sure looks good, and the june release DragonFl

Re: HAMMER update 06-Feb-2008

2008-02-08 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: :There's always the option of releasing a 1.12 version now (it's not like :there haven't been enough changes to justify a new release). The 2.0 release :is likely to get a lot of downloads, so I think shipping it with a pre-alpha :hammer is a waste of an opportunity to attra

Re: Some removal ideas

2008-01-31 Thread Bill Hacker
Hasso Tepper wrote: ntpd(8) - seems to be unmaintained, we have our own dntpd(8) anyway in the base and pkgsrc has newer portable version. Dim memory, but ISTR that legacy ntpd did not work correctly with DFLY anyway. Unless I am wrong (again!) it should be removed. wicontrol(8) - seems to

Re: Naive HAMMER question

2008-01-15 Thread Bill Hacker
walt wrote: > ... Ironically, I can't test it on MY Mac's as '*BSD'ie that I am, my first act in OS X setup is to reformat the drives to all-UFS Um, then what's the point of spending the extra money? More familiar environment, closer *BSD compatibility, (true case sensitivity and such

Re: Naive HAMMER question

2008-01-15 Thread Bill Hacker
Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 10:51:30PM +, Bill Hacker wrote: Note - page down - that most 'modern' fs allow a directory name to include: 'any valid byte but null' Technically this is a bit more restricted, e.g. '/' is normally

Re: Naive HAMMER question

2008-01-15 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: :The character encoding has to be specified somewhere. Do we envision :having differently encoded filenames on the same filesystem? Filenames :that are encoded differently than the contents of the file itself? Does :the filesystem need to know if a file's contents even ha

Re: Naive HAMMER question

2008-01-14 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: :Hello Matt, : :Just had a fight with ext3fs/FreeBSD/Win2K running on the same :computer with not-fully-cp866-compliant Ukrainian filenames. :The problem is old enough and several approaches are known, most of :them are local fs oriented (like "just use the same charset :eve

Re: dragonfly-announce?

2008-01-06 Thread Bill Hacker
Magnus Eriksson wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Bill Hacker wrote: FWIW, anyone NOT tracking ~d.commits, at least to scan subjects, could get the (false, IMNSHO) impression that the project had stalled. I don't, because the impression has been "commits? That's for devel

Re: dragonfly-announce?

2008-01-06 Thread Bill Hacker
Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Sun, January 6, 2008 4:06 am, Bill Hacker wrote: Opinion from the 'cheap seats' - I check ~user, ~kernel, and ~commits every day or two. ~commits is lower traffic than the average devel/support mailing list, and the other two far, far less yet. Mind

Re: dragonfly-announce?

2008-01-06 Thread Bill Hacker
et. Mind - usually solid stuff - very low-noise. So - what defines 'low-traffic' then? One message per week? per month? Bill Hacker

Re: DragonFly and Thinpad X61s

2007-12-08 Thread Bill Hacker
se under the two problematic OS'en reported than under those which work OK. Ergo, troubleshooting may need an oscilloscope and a capacitor or three as much as code review. Neither easy to apply on laptop MB. JM2CW, Bill Hacker

Re: Kernel panic during boot in usb_add_task

2007-11-26 Thread Bill Hacker
Michael Neumann wrote: Michael Neumann wrote: Michael Neumann schrieb: Bill Hacker schrieb: Michael Neumann wrote: For starters, what does NetBSD report as the hardware and can you capture *any* scan, dmesg, or other report from FreeBSD 7-BETA3 or DFLY? I could track it down where the

Re: Kernel panic during boot in usb_add_task

2007-11-20 Thread Bill Hacker
Michael Neumann wrote: Hi, I tried my brand new HP Compaq laptop 6710b under DragonFly, but during booting the installer CD it "throws" a page fault: uhub0: 2 ports ... uhub0: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x0 fault code= superv

Re: progress report -> nata + APIC = no disks found

2007-10-26 Thread Bill Hacker
Andrew Atrens wrote: All, My laptop now boots multi-processor! .. that said I'm not out of the woods yet .. using the mpu defaults scheme seems to mean that I need to get APIC to work with nata - this was broken on my old laptop and appears to be broken here, too. The new thing that's broken

Re: HAMMER filesystem update - design document

2007-10-14 Thread Bill Hacker
Thomas Zander wrote: On 14/10/2007, Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Theoretically a transaction id can be stored along with the quota state and the quota state can be updated on the fly when a cluster gets recovered. I wasn't planning on implementing quotas in HAMMER for

Re: HAMMER filesystem update - design document

2007-10-11 Thread Bill Hacker
Michael Neumann wrote: This post by Matt went off-list, but I think should go to the list as well. *snip* A HAMMER-aware database would be able to store its records using the key space directly. It opens up some intriguing possibilities. -Matt

Re: HAMMER filesystem update - design document

2007-10-11 Thread Bill Hacker
Francois Tigeot wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 12:33:45PM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: Ok, here's the final design document that I am now implementing. Again, I expect most or all of these features to be ready and the filesystem to be beta-quality by the December release. Wow, this

Re: HAMMER filesystem update - design document

2007-10-10 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: :Awesome! : :Tells me: "ZFS, bend over, grab your ankles and kiss your an(atomy) 'Goodbye'" : : From the amount of work that has HAD to go into this, it also tells me you are: : :A) probably single, or soon will be and Alas. :B) don't slee

Re: HAMMER filesystem update - design document

2007-10-10 Thread Bill Hacker
esome! Tells me: "ZFS, bend over, grab your ankles and kiss your an(atomy) 'Goodbye'" From the amount of work that has HAD to go into this, it also tells me you are: A) probably single, or soon will be and B) don't sleep much anyway! ;-) Looking forward to a 'test drive'... Bill Hacker

Re: HEADS UP! Compatibility slice will no longer point at the first BSD slice

2007-06-16 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: :The compatibility slice (s0) will no longer point at the first BSD slice :in the upcoming commit. This should not effect anyone as nobody uses :the compatibility slice in that manner any more. : :This change is necessary because to implement GPT partitions,

Re: implemented features (Re: Decision time....)

2007-06-07 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: PkgSrc is something I agonized over for a long time. I really wanted to develop my own. But the reality is that it would take a person 100% dedicated to that one aspect of the system to be able to do anything good, and maintaining a large enough package poo

Re: implemented features (Re: Decision time....)

2007-06-07 Thread Bill Hacker
Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Wed, June 6, 2007 4:29 am, Bill Hacker wrote: The current sysinstall must be around 8 to 10 years in use w/o major change? I've always thought that was because people didn't want to touch it. (from /usr/share/games/fortune/fortunes) The answer is that

Re: implemented features (Re: Decision time....)

2007-06-06 Thread Bill Hacker
Erik Wikström wrote: On 2007-06-06 01:33, Bill Hacker wrote: *trimmed* Whatever the direction is to be, having a solid kernel and core is far more important that a slick installer to put in place a 'still needs work' OS. So true, a lot of people complain about OpenBSD&#

Re: implemented features (Re: Decision time....)

2007-06-05 Thread Bill Hacker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: km b wrote: On 6/5/07, Michel Talon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *snip* (64 bit issues) whatever he sees fit for his project. My own prejudice is that having a good installer and a good package management system (including a good upgrade mechanism) is *extremely* imp

Re: Areca Cards?

2007-04-19 Thread Bill Hacker
Brandon Johns wrote: Hello all, I've recently purchased an Areca ARC-1120 PCI-X raid controller and was wondering what the status of drivers were for this card. I've tried the latest preview tag but was unable to find anything that remotely appeared to be a driver. If someone could point me in

Re: SMP/UP kernel S01E02

2007-03-25 Thread Bill Hacker
Thomas E. Spanjaard wrote: Dmitri Nikulin wrote: On 3/24/07, Gergo Szakal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I've been thinking of the SMP/UP issue many times, and the best solution would be if SMP kernels could boot on UP machines. I have plenty UP boxes and a few SMP boxes to test on. I am not

Re: SMP/UP kernel S01E02

2007-03-25 Thread Bill Hacker
Gergo Szakal wrote: Well, I've been thinking of the SMP/UP issue many times, and the best solution would be if SMP kernels could boot on UP machines. I have plenty UP boxes and a few SMP boxes to test on. I am not claiming anyhing, this is just 'food for thought'. Good food for thought at that

Re: first stab at simple mailer

2007-03-22 Thread Bill Hacker
Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: Rahul Siddharthan wrote: But you still need to efficiently queue the mail for forwarding. You can't just make separate connections to the target for each recipient. qmail does it... The claim is that making separate connections is usually faster (fewe

Re: first stab at simple mailer

2007-03-22 Thread Bill Hacker
Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: But you still need to efficiently queue the mail for forwarding. You can't just make separate connections to the target for each recipient. qmail does it... qmail certainly disqualifies as network friendly. For this and othe

Re: Plans for 1.8+ (2.0?)

2007-02-01 Thread Bill Hacker
Thomas E. Spanjaard wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: Thomas E. Spanjaard wrote: Stilyan Tsenov wrote: I can't uderstand whether snapshots are filesystems or files ?...or just both possible ? A snapshot of a filesystem needs support from the filesystem to be snapshottable, e.g. temporary suspe

Re: Plans for 1.8+ (2.0?)

2007-02-01 Thread Bill Hacker
Thomas E. Spanjaard wrote: Stilyan Tsenov wrote: I can't uderstand whether snapshots are filesystems or files ?...or just both possible ? A snapshot of a filesystem needs support from the filesystem to be snapshottable, e.g. temporary suspension of all activities on that filesystem while the

Re: Plans for 1.8+ (2.0?)

2007-02-01 Thread Bill Hacker
Tobias Schacht wrote: On 2/1/07, Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, its a lot more complex then that. There are three basic issues: * Redundancy in a heavily distributed environment * Transactional Consistency. * Cache Coherency and conflict management. Hm, I wo

Re: Back from vacation

2006-10-02 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: Oops, I totally forgot to post that I was going to be incommunicado for a week. Well, I'm back now. I'll try to catch up on my email as quickly as possible :-) -Matt Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And h

Re: Cache coherency, clustering, and Kernel virtualization

2006-09-02 Thread Bill Hacker
Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Sat, September 2, 2006 9:43 pm, Bill Hacker wrote: Hmm... take a look at the evolution and far from trouble-free history of, to name just one, z/MV. What's a z/MV? A casual Google search turns up nothing recognizable. Sorry. Historical artifact. .

Re: Cache coherency, clustering, and Kernel virtualization

2006-09-02 Thread Bill Hacker
Eric Jacobs wrote: On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now consider the problem of tying an entire kernel into an internet-based cluster. Does that sound like something that would be 'safe' to integrate into your real kernel? NO WAY! I

Re: Cache coherency, clustering, and Kernel virtualization

2006-09-02 Thread Bill Hacker
Thomas E. Spanjaard wrote: *snip* This is hardly the logical step forward beyond SMP, and does nothing to make proper use of consumer-level NUMA equipment (AMDs Athlon64/Opteron family of processors for example), I don't see multiple virtual kernels work in a NUMA system. Or do you intend to

Re: Cache coherency, clustering, and Kernel virtualization

2006-09-02 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: *snip* Sounds kinda like what IBM did with linux on its mainframes, eh? AIX5L + Linux? Earlier roots than that. Over 32 years, and still in use. Closer to IBM CRL's CP/67 --> VM -- -- -- z/OS's z/VM *snip* I finally figured it out, and the answer is so sim

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