** Changed in: baltix
Status: Triaged => Fix Released
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Sorry for the confusion,
*I asked*
> I have a couple of questions about your Sony Vaio with Pentium M:
>
> What happens when you try to boot a PAE kernel with forcepae? Do you get
> an error message? Black screen?
>
> Are you sure it is not 'only' a problem with some other hardwar
Hi Chris,
1. It is not my computer. I have one with a very similar Pentium M CPU
which works with forcepae. I have asked the same questions but not yet
received a full answer from the owner. I will ask again ...
2. Thanks for finding the difference between the cpuid flags "a7e9fbbf"
and "afe9fbbf
> We found a Pentium M 1.70 GHz which does not work with forcepae. It gives the
> following output from
>
> cpuid|grep ^0001
>
> 0001 06d6 0816 0180 afe9fbbf
What happens when you try to boot with forcepae? Do you get an error
message? Black screen?
In the wiki you have men
The vast majority of Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs are suitable for
fakepae or forcepae and can work with PAE kernels. But some of these
processors need a non-pae kernel.
We found a Pentium M 1.70 GHz which does not work with forcepae. It
gives the following output from
cpuid|grep ^0001
0
> tried the on my Lenovo E600A with
> [--forcepae] parameter.
> I seemed successfully installed.
> But the desktop showed me slowly just as a slow-motion video :-(
> Maybe the forcepae caused that problem.
I doubt it, a more likely cause is that you don't have 3D acceleration
enabled. Try runnin
please try lubuntu/xubunu on such old hardware
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Ｉtried the on my Lenovo E600A with [--forcepae]
parameter.
I seemed successfully installed.
But the desktop showed me slowly just as a slow-motion video :-(
Maybe the forcepae caused that problem.
Hope David Henningsson can provide us another
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Hey guys,
So, I was looking for Ubuntu because Win Xp is not supported anymore. I
carefully readed everything here, but i have no clue how i could fix my problem.
Can please someone explain what i have to do, in a language that a
"noob" like me can understand? I never did anything with linux.
-
Hi Luis,
Now that I have got into it I might do this if I feel the need to
upgrade to the latest & greatest version - so, thanks for the howto.
Unfortunately I am afraid that many disenfranchised Win XP users will
not fiddle around like this (or even read this thread to find how to).
It's a pity
a todos: Gracias por la ayuda!
Stan
On Tue, April 8, 2014 1:03 pm, Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca wrote:
> @l-colin,
>
> 14.04 works flawlessly in Celeron/Pentium M processor systems. You just
> need to add forcepae do the kernel command line (at boot)
> On a livecd, press anykey as soon as it loads
@l-colin,
14.04 works flawlessly in Celeron/Pentium M processor systems. You just need to
add forcepae do the kernel command line (at boot)
On a livecd, press anykey as soon as it loads (the first purple screen). Use
the F6 option to add the forcepae. You'll have something like:
"...initrd.lz
This may not have been a burning issue in the past but, with Win XP
going unsupported, there are many Celeron/Pentium M processor systems
(concurrent with Win XP). that are now looking for easy solutions. I am
in exactly that position and have never touched any flavour of Linux
before. I needed som
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Good news, the forcepae patch got added to the upstream kernel source:
http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip.git/commit/?id=69f2366c9456d0ce784cf5aba87ee77eeadc1d5e
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oh, apparently kubuntu daily-build was a little bit "behind", i did
only check ubuntu and lubuntu and did not expect, that kubuntu iso
apparently did not have the most recent kernel.
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@roland #291
Booting Kubuntu Trusty from either USB or DVD (Kubuntu > 700MB):
Daily ISO 2014.03.06 => Kernel: Linux kubuntu 3.13.0-15-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP
= not working
Daily ISO 2014.03.07 => Kernel: Linux kubuntu 3.13.0-16-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP
= working (without grub BL)
I'm very sorry
>Restarded the R51 and added the kernel "forcepae" parameter to the syslinux
>parameter line.
>Things looked excactly the same as so often before, installing any sort of
>12.04 ubuntu flavors.
>but the old syslinux "original" of this bug still persist right ?.
No, it shouldn`t.
If booted via sy
This is absolutly amasing news guyes, had lost any hope that this status
on this bug would ever change. Thankyou to the most persistent advocats
arguing this bug should be solved, and not least to Chris and others
involved in figuring out howto...
After reciving these great news, the first thing I
Yeah Thank you devs, thank you Roland, thank you Chris and all of you.
Ok, now I'm gonna try and download the iso...
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one thing to add - on lubuntu iso i just tested, entering a kernel param
at boot/installation-time does not seem to find it`s way into grub.cfg -
so it needs to be re-added after installation.
since i´m not a long-time ubuntu user, i`m unsure if this a bug or by
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Now it is time for me to say thank you :-)
First of all, *I want to thank everybody contributing* to solving this
bug, or complex of bugs, concerning Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs and new
Ubuntu based kernels.
Then I want to mention roland aus köln (devzero-c), who continued
pushing this issue whe
apparently, the trusty-tahr daily build cd-images already contain the
fixed kernel, so if you have an affected system and want to try
installing (l/x)ubuntu you can get them here:
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
http://cdi
this is really good news, thanks!
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This bug was fixed in the package linux - 3.13.0-16.36
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[ Tim Gardner ]
* Release Tracking Bug
- LP: #1287903
[ Andy Whitcroft ]
* Revert "[Config] lowlatency -- turn CONFIG_IRQ_FORCED_THREADING_DEFAULT
off temporarily"
** Changed in: syslinux (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed => Invalid
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>According to the discussion on LKML, linux16 is now the default on
Fedora, and should be used by other distributions.
i installed fedora20 for a test and so did hpa, and for both of us, the
result is different from what is being told:
http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=139380554401194&w=2
i do
Thank you Brian, Chris and everyone sudodus and everyone involved.
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On Mar 3, 2014 8:55 PM, "sudodus" wrote:
> ERROR: PAE is disabled on this Pentium M
> (PAE can potentially be enabled with kernel parameter
> "forcepae" - this is unsupported, may cause unknown
> probl
Thanks Chris :-)
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ERROR: PAE is disabled on this Pentium M
(PAE can potentially be enabled with kernel parameter
"forcepae" - this is unsupported, may cause unknown
problems, and will taint the kernel)
This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU:
pae
Unable to boot - please use a kernel appro
lkml: "grub is jumping to the 32-bit entry point and skipping the entire
real mode setup code. Bad grub."
You don't need to build a syslinux bootable iso. You can boot the kernel
from Grub in 16-bit mode by using the linux16 command
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/linux16.html
Works in my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M without a PAE flag but with
PAE capability.
But I have only booted via grub, because I cannot remaster an iso file.
Did you boot from syslinux, Roland?
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@Chris -- I have taken the liberty of cleaning up the commentary on
those two patches and applying them to a 14.04 kernel for testing. You
might want to do something similar (feel free to steal the text I used
and clean it up) and then submit the patches together to upstream for
consideration; as
i just tested your patch on ubuntu 13.10 with kernel from 14.04
repository (complete package build)
works like a charm!
i would recommend adding the newly introduced param to to Documentation
/kernel-parameters.txt , see my patch at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/930447/comments/224
Tha
There's a new pair of patches: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/2/28/258 and
https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/2/26/394
It's a small patch but test reports to LKML are still welcome (you don't
have to be subscribed to the list to respond, just use the correct
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please let`s stop discussion as any further discussion does not add
anything valuable to the solution.
i think 272 comments (=thousands of lines of text) is enough discussion
for a problem which can be entirely fixed for everyone by some kernel
developer adding 22 lines of code to the linux kernel
I'm reprinting what I wrote in comment #105 because it is still so very
easy to install PAE, though it does require a little effort.
1) Download ISO of ubuntu flavor you wish to use, for example, xubuntu. I wil
use the name xubuntu.iso, for convenience.
2) partition and format USB stick, in this
There were *very* strong signals that the board, deciding about the
main-stream ubuntu edition, had decided to stop supporting non-pae CPUs
including Pentium M amd Celeron M, and that the decision was not going
to be changed.
You think that fake-PAE has been counter-productive, that it has done
mo
i read "experimental" in those links - and i think there are people who
dislike installing their operating system in a re-packaged way from a
community based, untrusted source. nothing against you, nio, you appear
trustworthy - but i`m one of those.
if all the community efforts had been put into
All the main Ubuntu flavours of version 13.10 are available as tarballs
to be installed with the One Button Installer,
ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
and this works with Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs. Experimental Trusty
tarballs are already uploaded,
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread
I know about lubuntu fake pae, and upgrading from 12.04 is one of the
options. By the way, this is not the point.. And what about if someone
needs Xubuntu or something else running out of the box? And when 14.04
will be released, there will be a lubuntu fake pae version? These are
all workarounds w
'...Why?? PAE Kernel!! I had to install 12.04, install fake-pae and the
make 3 (THREE) dist upgrades! (after days of research). Why force users
that have a PAE capable cpu (unlikely not advertised) to make tricks and
3-4-5 etc distribution upgrades just to be able to install the latest
distribution
Thanks again Roland for spending your time into this...I read the mails
on LKML, and since I don't know how it works (I am only a simple user) I
am asking...have we got more chances now to see this problem fixed
somewhere in the future or am I hoping for something that could never
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Luke, thanks for letting us know and for the credits.
What you write is exactly the reason why i spent my free time on help
fixing this and it`s also the reason, why i was constantly nagging here
- and why i was (or still am, as it`s not fixed yet) very dissapointed,
too.
I hope that ubuntu will
I am not a dev, not a skilled programmer, but only a loyal and satisfied ubuntu
user since I switched from Suse to Dapper Drake 6.06 on my deprecated Pentium M.
This old and poor notebook have seen also Windows XP, Windows Vista and now it
can also run Windows 7 with not much pretends. I decided
dear ubuntu kernel team, please consider adding the patch from
https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/2/26/192 to the ubuntu kernel, so the pae
issue will be fixed with 14.04
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+1
(good news, thanks)
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good news, thanks !
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LKML thread: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/2/25/18
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>May be "one-hundred-papercuts" is the right place if
>you feel a bug doesn't get enough attention foralongtime.
kernel specific bugs are excluded - see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/One%20Hundred%20Papercuts/Papercuts
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>May be "one-hundred-papercuts" is the right place if you feel a bug
doesn't get enough attention foralongtime.
that`s a pointer, thanks.
>Another valuable thought is that one cannot blame the ubuntu-people
solely for not getting this right
yes, for sure intel also is to blame, but when the ubun
hi there!
reverted bug-status back to confirmed. There are other bug-statii like
"opinion, incomplete, fix released, fix commited"
Non of these reflect the situation, neither. The bug-report is valid
since a lot of users have confirmed it's existance.
May be "one-hundred-papercuts" is the right
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** Changed in: syslinux (Ubuntu)
Status: Invalid => Confirmed
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Ubuntu is more and more microsoft-like :
What is good for UBUNTU/Window is good for customers, no matter what
they say.
This is the main problem of hegemonic situations.
By the way, LxLe hich is based on Lubuntu, runs perfectly from an Usb key on
these old laptops.
And it is light enough (not
they are probably putting the focus on the wrong things and/or are
understaffed.
i will not use ubuntu anymore because of this, because ubuntu does not
satisfy my expectation of a healty user and developer community.
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Roland,
Thanks for trying.
In 2012 an Ubuntu developer made a private version of 12.04 with PAE
support, so I am still using Ubuntu with my old laptop.
The Ubuntu team has people who could fix this the right way, but as you
said, they are lazy.
Stan
On Wed, February 12, 2014 4:39 pm, roland a
bugticket closed, as ubuntu team is ignorant and will not fix this. sad
but true.
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more than one and a half months gone by and nothing happened.
14.04 will be out soon, and i swear it will still have that pentium M
issue.
i don`t know what you 101 guys will do, but i have one task on my todo:
wiping all computers in our fablab and replacing lubuntu with a linux
distro w/o plan
No further progress ?
ubuntu/lubuntu/xubunto 14.04 & co will soon get off the starting blocks
- i heard it will also be a LTS.
And all of those still being shipped with a known problem affecting
thousands of users ?
Please, Ubuntu team put an hour effort into this, this would save much
hassle an
It's also interesting for Ubuntu Kylin:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Kylin/1404-alpha-1-ReleaseNote#System_Requirements
;-)
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So here we go
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1200Mhz 0695 0812 A7E9F9BF
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1300MHz 0695 0812 A7E9F9BF
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1400MHz 0695 0812 A7E9F9BF
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1400Mhz 06D6 000
Roland,
1. Thanks for keeping this issue alive :-)
2. We have evidence that these two CPUs also have PAE capability but no
PAE flag:
Celeron M 1200 Mhz 0001 0695 0812 a7e9f9bf
Celeron M 1300 MHz 0001 0695 0812 a7e9f9bf
Best regards
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Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1400MHz 0695 0812 A7E9F9BF
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1400Mhz 06D6 0812 AFE9F9BF
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1500MHz 0695 0812 A7E9F9BF
Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1300MHz 0695 0
I think so too [that the faster ones with 133 MHz FSB (533 MHz transfer
rate) actually do report PAE].
Thank you for that cpuid line! I'll upload it into the list at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE#Test
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So that's where those lines are from.
0001 06d6 0816 0180 afe9f9bf
And yeah, I bought the fastest CPU at the time that would fit in this
laptop. I think the faster cores in the same series are all 133 MHz FSB
and actually do report PAE if I'm not mistaken, only the 100 MHz parts
s
Hi Oliver,
That is the fastest Pentium M without a PAE flag reported yet in this
project :-) Please post also the short output of the following command
line,
cpuid|grep ^0001
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Here is my full cpuinfo, Pentium-M 2.1 GHz not having the PAE flag,
happily running a PAE kernel.
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 13
model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.10GHz
stepping: 6
microcode : 0x18
cpu MHz
is your cpu on the list above (see 5 posts before) ?
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With Ubuntu 13.10 it has become a mess. I tried to install it 4 times on
my notebook now. It would go through the complete installation process
and only at the end suddenly the kernel failed to install. I thought I
may have connectivity problems at first. Only after manually doing a
dpkg -i on the
Not seeing my 2100 MHz Pentium-M (100 MHz FSB f i'm not mistaken) I'll
try to run the test sometime soon.
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it`s based on information from cpu-world.com, they have a large "real
world" cpuid database (user submitted data).
it`s ineed not tested, but based on the infos at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE#Test i would
logically assume, that all of these behave identically. they all have
Hi Roland,
Nice list :-) How did you compile it? Are all those CPUs tested, or are
you adding some of the CPUs versions via logical conclusions?
Best regards
Nio
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hopefully, this should (hopefully) be a comprehensive list of all
affected CPU`s:
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1400MHz 0695 0812 A7E9F9BF
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1400Mhz 06D6 0812 AFE9F9BF
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1500MHz 0695 0812 00
On 29 November 2013 16:22, Andy Whitcroft wrote:
> For clarity the error referred to in this bug is emitted by the kernel
> from its 16bit entry point. The same check is not made when booted via
> its 32bit entry point. This is arguably a bug, the kernel should check
> and refuse to run when req
here is amore comprehensive database containing cpuid information.
http://www.cpu-world.com/cgi-bin/CPUID.pl?s=21
unfortunately i have no clue how to make a whitelist from that.
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There is a start for such a whitelist in comment #203 :-)
If *you* have a Celeron M or Pentium M different from those in that
list, please supply your result of the PAE test described in
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
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For clarity the error referred to in this bug is emitted by the kernel
from its 16bit entry point. The same check is not made when booted via
its 32bit entry point. This is arguably a bug, the kernel should check
and refuse to run when required features are not present. In this case
the main iss
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The bug status was changed either by mistake or by a vandal.
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Status: Fix Released => Confirmed
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So lets say, we get intel to release a microcode update for the
Pentium-M, which has been discontinued for years. Lets assume they'd do
that. While those could be loaded runtime I suppose, for bootable
installation medium, it needs to be patched into the bios. So now you
not only have to pray to th
On 10.04 LTS my little Dell D600I could use PAE-Kernels with no
problems. (36-bits) . As per today it runs with the Mainline Kernel
3.10.7-031007-generic - lawlessly. Thanks to Prof7bits "Fake-PAE"
And this confirms comment #179:
... the Linux documentation states that if you can boot a PAE kerne
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The patch "Mageia 3" works just fine. ;-)
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Thank you for running the tests.
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Two tests were added to
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
See this link for details
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2113826&page=3&p=12729858#post12729858
For the first time a Pentium M CPU was found not suitable for fakePAE.
Our test results so far for Pentium M and
Exactly :-)
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On Jul 18, 2013 3:41 PM, "oliver" wrote:
> Chris, I think Shahar's idea is to submit the patch and hopefully gets
> merged so that regular users don't have to remove anything to get
> everything working.
>
> But yeah, why not, submit a patch and see what h
Chris, I think Shahar's idea is to submit the patch and hopefully gets
merged so that regular users don't have to remove anything to get
everything working.
But yeah, why not, submit a patch and see what happens. I am curious.
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A patch effort isn't necessary. The CPU check is one line of code in
kernel package preinst. Just remove that line and it goes back to
working.
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Hey,
Why don't you just make a patch, assume good faith on the part of the
maintainers and you don't have to explain the whole thing. Just write
something like "Hey, you forgot Pentium M processors that actually do
support PAE, although they don't declare it".
They will merge.
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