Re: [Kicad-developers] Library license update.

Hi Wayne, thank you very much for your efforts. I'm guessing that this is not an easy topic and takes thus more time. Hopefully a good solution can be found this way. Maybe it makes then sense to announce this change on the KiCad homepage, I could also imagine to add a definition of the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library license update.

On 12/15/2015 5:13 PM, "Torsten Hüter" wrote: > > Hi Wayne, > > thank you very much for your efforts. I'm guessing that this is not an easy > topic and takes thus more time. > Hopefully a good solution can be found this way. As soon as I hear back from the FSF, I will forward the license to

[Kicad-developers] Library license update.

I just wanted to give everyone a heads up that I did not forget about our library license issue. I sent a modified version of the gEDA symbol library (GPL font exception) to the FSF for comment on November 20. I received a reply that they are looking at and will get back to me. I'm not sure

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library license update.

Thanks for wrangling this, Wayne! On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > I just wanted to give everyone a heads up that I did not forget about > our library license issue. I sent a modified version of the gEDA symbol > library (GPL font exception) to the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Opendous, Really open person Opendous Support wrote:(Sun, 25 Mar 2012 00:24:10) [components] --A-- [KiCad board file] --B-- [pcb hardware] The point is that you cannot restrict A, B, C or D with copyright. Ah, thank you! You have now clearly defined the core concern:

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

On 03/24/2012 04:13 PM, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: Dick, The point is that you cannot restrict A, B, C or D with copyright. --brian Much becomes possible when there is a contract in place. That entails agreement, consideration, and terms and conditions. [oops, and usually lawyers.] Dick

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Brian, On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Brian F. G. Bidulock bidul...@openss7.org wrote: Karl, On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, Karl Schmidt wrote: There is a very easy solution to all this - use the LGPL for anything that gets distributed with kicad and don't think or talk about it any more. - Ever.

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

[components] --A-- [KiCad board file] --B-- [pcb hardware] [components] --C-- [Commercial software board file] Seems we have universal agreement that we are not trying to restrict A or B. [pcb hardware] --D-- [pcb hardware] There is some question as to whether anyone can restrict

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Dick, The point is that you cannot restrict A, B, C or D with copyright. --brian On Sat, 24 Mar 2012, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: [components] --A-- [KiCad board file] --B-- [pcb hardware] [components] --C-- [Commercial software board file] Seems we have universal agreement that we are

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

My point of view is not firm yet, other than that I know I am not a communist. I don't ever see communism working, no where, no how. So if what we have is communism, this explains why there are no significant parts in our libraries. Having attempted to contribute I think it is mostly due to the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

So if what we have is communism, this explains why there are no significant parts in our libraries. My earlier remarks are NOT a knock on those who signed up to improve our libraries. It is just a recognition that communism does not work. Dick Well, I think they (communists) tried to

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Hello, Element, I actually would like to add a commend on this second last point (a component database). If we talk about kicad-only component database, the contribution in making this component database grow will only come from Kicad people. Instead if such a database had magic conversion tools

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Hello Dick, I think lib components should be licensed LGPL and (just to make everybody sleep well) it could be stated somewhere that ANY derivative schematics and PCB will be licensed independently and according to what the kicad user (the schematic/pcb creator) wants. for lib component CC0 is

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

There is a very easy solution to all this - use the LGPL for anything that gets distributed with kicad and don't think or talk about it any more. - Ever. Here is why - no single symbol or footprint design would be protected in court in the real world other than if the whole body of work (the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Fabrizio Tappero fabrizio.tapp...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Element, I actually would like to add a commend on this second last point (a component database). If we talk about kicad-only component database, the contribution in making this component database grow

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Let me make a more general comment: I think this may be different in different countries. Plus, depending on the country, the authorities may or may not accept there is no international copyright protection on PCBs when someone sues someone else about violating some license with the help of

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Karl, On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, Karl Schmidt wrote: There is a very easy solution to all this - use the LGPL for anything that gets distributed with kicad and don't think or talk about it any more. - Ever. An LGPL work distributed and intended only to work with a GPL work is derivative of the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Thank you all for contribute to this discussion. Yesterday, I searched a local law (Japan) for a board design, and finally I know that board designs are not protected by copyright (as brian says). Then, what's the meaning of library license? How we use the licensed library in our own project?

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

I can be wrong, but, anything that's been designed by an author, has authorship, and it makes it have copyright. I understand that for the footprints, and for the schematic symbols, they will mostly come from IPC/JEDEC or the datasheet. But even in the work of creating symbol libraries it's

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Footprints are not subject to copyright either. They are not creative: ... they are simple data gathered from JEDEC, IPC and manufacturer sources. Copyright is designed to protect the original expression of ideas, and not the ideas themselves. For example, if you take a photograph of the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

I would highly recommend to avoid any copyright notices at all. Kicad is OpenSource and all contributors working in the best meaning of the OpenSource ideas. Introduction of copyright in any form may have fatal impact to the future of this wonderful software. Stop this thread, please! Martin

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Of course I meant licenses other than GPL or Creative Commons. Many of us are badly affected by the nasty things about ACTA Martin Dne 22.3.2012 13:49, Martijn Kuipers napsal(a): On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Martin wrote: I would highly recommend to avoid any copyright notices at all.

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

On 03/22/2012 07:32 AM, Martin wrote: I would highly recommend to avoid any copyright notices at all. Kicad is OpenSource and all contributors working in the best meaning of the OpenSource ideas. Introduction of copyright in any form may have fatal impact to the future of this wonderful

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

In fact, I think that GPL is a bad license for the libraries kicad libraries, (authorship details appart...), In my opinion: * GPL is perfect for all the *sourcecode of KiCad*, and that must be keept like that. * GPL license is bad for the* library parts or footprints* (at least LGPL or some

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

On 03/22/2012 06:38 AM, Opendous Support wrote: Footprints are not subject to copyright either. They are not creative: ... they are simple data gathered from JEDEC, IPC and manufacturer sources. Copyright is designed to protect the original expression of ideas, and not the ideas themselves.

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Hello, if we look at what the GEDA guys do/did, I seem to understand that they licensed everything (software and libraries) under GNU GPL: https://github.com/bert/gschem-symbols Word-processor templates for open-source word processors are open-source tools like LibreOffice could be distributed

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

There is no universal copyright law accepted worldwide. So what copyright law? American, japanese, lesothean? Of course, we know the origin of GPL, everybody can read. The copyright law is in many countries a set of very stupid rubbish apparently created by non-computer people. So, before

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

On 03/22/2012 09:20 AM, Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo wrote: In fact, I think that GPL is a bad license for the libraries kicad libraries, (authorship details appart...), In my opinion: * GPL is perfect for all the *sourcecode of KiCad*, and that must be keept like that. * GPL license is bad

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 03/22/2012 06:38 AM, Opendous Support wrote: Footprints are not subject to copyright either. They are not creative: ... they are simple data gathered from JEDEC, IPC and manufacturer sources. Copyright is designed to protect the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Martin P.S. I am leaving the list. I don't need to be called a fool. Martin, Coming into our board room and telling the owners that they should not talk about something, a concern raised by a user, obviously did not sit well with me. I am willing to apologize for my (over) reaction if you

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012/3/22 Dick Hollenbeck d...@softplc.com: Market share seems to be what we are after? Market share makes us what again?   Proud?  Great in the eyes of our children? I cannot remember, maybe I never knew. More people using KiCad, means more free people, since they won't be tied to

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

On 03/22/2012 10:06 AM, Fabrizio Tappero wrote: Hello, if we look at what the GEDA guys do/did, I seem to understand that they licensed everything (software and libraries) under GNU GPL: https://github.com/bert/gschem-symbols Word-processor templates for open-source word processors are

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

This discussion about the library license is a really interesting topic, made me think all day. I just want to put this out there first, so you know where I'm coming from: when I contribute code or content to an open source project, I mostly just want to share something I made, that I find

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

On 03/22/2012 10:06 AM, Fabrizio Tappero wrote: Hello, if we look at what the GEDA guys do/did, I seem to understand that they licensed everything (software and libraries) under GNU GPL: https://github.com/bert/gschem-symbols Word-processor templates for open-source word processors are

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

As an example of how lawyered-up EDA companies treat libraries, refer to section 3.1 and 3.2 of the Altium EULA: http://www.altium.com/products/eula.cfm Their EULA restricts use of libraries to their products. You cannot restrict the use of something you do not own so I assume Altium's

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Totally agree with your point: 2) 9 times out of 10, when I have to use a symbol, I have to make my own. Even if I use a module from the library, I have to check it. It's better to find out in pcbnew if a footprint doesn't match rather than after etching and drilling a hundred holes. Just the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents, from someone who is all *too* familiar with these types of discussions. * Libraries and modules distributed with Kicad should be public domain for maximum flexibility. I would assume Kicad is meant to be used in a commercial environment and I'd hate to have to

[Kicad-developers] Library License

Dear All, I have a question for KiCad default library. Now, it's released under GPLv2. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad-lib-committers/kicad/library/revision/113/COPYRIGHT.txt If I make a '.sch', '.brd' or any gerber data using it, my data will become GPLed? When I checked some files that I

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

For wider adoption, may be a LGPL / MIT or BSD license would make more sense. In my opinion the libraries may be license neutral, or public domain. It would be great if companies started using Kicad for normal development without any legal problems. 2012/3/21 Kenta Yonekura mills...@gmail.com:

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Kenta, Printed circuit boards and their fabrication inputs and even their designs are neither subject to nor protected by copyright. The same applies for schematics. GPL2 only addresses copyright, so for board designs and fabrication outputs you can ignore it. Ask youself whether you want to

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Miguel, Printed circuit board designs are not protected under copyright. --brian On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo wrote: For wider adoption, may be a LGPL / MIT or BSD license would make more sense. In my opinion the libraries may be license neutral, or public domain. It

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

On 03/21/2012 07:21 AM, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: Miguel, Printed circuit board designs are not protected under copyright. --brian Why not? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to :

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

On 03/21/2012 01:47 AM, Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo wrote: For wider adoption, may be a LGPL / MIT or BSD license would make more sense. In my opinion the libraries may be license neutral, or public domain. It would be great if companies started using Kicad for normal development without any

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Dick, Because only artistic works, software and chip masks are protected by copyright (internationally). Functional items such a PCB boards are not protected. Using library data to make a board is using your copy of the data anyhoo: not copying it and distributing it... So you can make

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Dick, See, for example: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLHardware --brian On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: Dick, Because only artistic works, software and chip masks are protected by copyright (internationally). Functional items such a PCB boards are not

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Everyone, On 03/21/2012 10:44 PM, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: Dick, Because only artistic works, software and chip masks are protected by copyright (internationally). Functional items such a PCB boards are not protected. Using library data

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

Heiko, Footprints are not subject to copyright either. They are not creative: (if they are any good) they are simple data gathered from JEDEC, IPC and manufacturer sources. The same applies to standard symbols used in a schematic library. It's not worth worrying about: really. --brian On