Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-09 Thread Maciej Sumiński
On 11/08/2013 11:48 PM, Torsten Hüter wrote: Hi Orson, have a look here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad-testing-committers/kicad/kicad-gal/view/head:/gal/wxdc/wxdc_gal.cpp With my test examples it was faster than Cairo. I guess it should be possible to reach the same performance like the old

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-08 Thread Torsten Hüter
Hi Orson, have a look here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad-testing-committers/kicad/kicad-gal/view/head:/gal/wxdc/wxdc_gal.cpp With my test examples it was faster than Cairo. I guess it should be possible to reach the same performance like the old drawing routines. Downside is the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Maciej Sumiński
On 11/05/2013 07:40 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 11/5/2013 4:33 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: Does anyone have anything against disabling switching (remove its hotkey and menu entry) to Cairo backend? I think it may only give a bad impression to users, as it is too slow for comfortable work. I am

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
On 11/7/2013 12:36 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: On 11/05/2013 07:40 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 11/5/2013 4:33 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: Does anyone have anything against disabling switching (remove its hotkey and menu entry) to Cairo backend? I think it may only give a bad impression to

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Torsten Hüter
Hi Orson, thanks for the great work! When Ive developed the Cairo backend, my idea was not only to use Cairo for printing but also as rendering engine for eeschema. For example compare GEDA gschem, they use there Cairo as well and the screen outputlooks in my opinion much better than

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Maciej Sumiński
stambau...@verizon.net *An:* Kein Empfänger *Cc:* kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net *Betreff:* Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend On 11/7/2013 12:36 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: On 11/05/2013 07:40 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 11/5/2013 4:33 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: Does anyone

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 11/07/2013 01:03 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: On 11/07/2013 07:11 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 11/07/2013 11:59 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 11/7/2013 12:36 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: On 11/05/2013 07:40 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 11/5/2013 4:33 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: Does anyone

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Maciej Sumiński
On 11/07/2013 08:30 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 11/07/2013 01:03 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: On 11/07/2013 07:11 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 11/07/2013 11:59 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 11/7/2013 12:36 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: On 11/05/2013 07:40 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Tomasz Wlostowski
On 11/07/2013 08:30 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 11/07/2013 01:03 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: On 11/07/2013 07:11 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 11/07/2013 11:59 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 11/7/2013 12:36 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: On 11/05/2013 07:40 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 11/07/2013 01:59 PM, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: On 11/07/2013 08:30 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 11/07/2013 01:03 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: On 11/07/2013 07:11 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 11/07/2013 11:59 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 11/7/2013 12:36 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: On

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 08:03:20PM +0100, Maciej Sumiński wrote: It could be used when OpenGL renderer does not work. I am not really sure if eg. Intel Atom integrated graphics is able to use it. I have seen a glewinfo report that states the GPU is compatible only up to OpenGL 1.4, which is 11

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 01:30:44PM -0600, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: At what point is is cheaper to buy the KiCad user a new computer, than it is to write software for his incompatible computer? Well, toughbooks are not exactly cheap even on the used market :D I don't know where you live but here

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 08:59:05PM +0100, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: IMHO the real reason for keeping the software renderer are the Linux users who bought/got hardware that doesn't work reliably under Linux (some ATI/S3 cards, people who want only F/OSS drivers). If this is a significant group

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Maciej Sumiński
On 11/07/2013 10:10 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 01:30:44PM -0600, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: At what point is is cheaper to buy the KiCad user a new computer, than it is to write software for his incompatible computer? Well, toughbooks are not exactly cheap even on the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-07 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 10:27:19PM +0100, Maciej Sumiński wrote: I have never said that it only works with nVidia or ATI (I would rather suspect that ATI could make issues) - I have an integrated Intel GPU in my notebook and it works fine. Seems to work fine even with my pc. From the specs it

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-05 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:33:06AM +0100, Maciej Sumiński wrote: Does anyone have anything against disabling switching (remove its hotkey and menu entry) to Cairo backend? I think it may only give a bad impression to users, as it is too slow for comfortable work. I am going to maintain it in

Re: [Kicad-developers] Cairo rendering backend

2013-11-05 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
On 11/5/2013 4:33 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: Does anyone have anything against disabling switching (remove its hotkey and menu entry) to Cairo backend? I think it may only give a bad impression to users, as it is too slow for comfortable work. I am going to maintain it in case that there are