Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
I can be wrong, but, anything that's been designed by an author, has authorship, and it makes it have copyright. I understand that for the footprints, and for the schematic symbols, they will mostly come from IPC/JEDEC or the datasheet. But even in the work of creating symbol libraries it's

Re: [Kicad-developers] EESCHEMA wire end length reduction

2012-03-22 Thread jean-pierre charras
Le 22/03/2012 06:17, Dick Hollenbeck a écrit : On 03/21/2012 05:55 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 3/21/2012 3:28 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: I used to be able to shorten a wire by dragging its endpoint towards the opposite end. I also checked this out while I was checking the tab problem you

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Opendous Support
Footprints are not subject to copyright either. They are not creative: ... they are simple data gathered from JEDEC, IPC and manufacturer sources. Copyright is designed to protect the original expression of ideas, and not the ideas themselves. For example, if you take a photograph of the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Martin
I would highly recommend to avoid any copyright notices at all. Kicad is OpenSource and all contributors working in the best meaning of the OpenSource ideas. Introduction of copyright in any form may have fatal impact to the future of this wonderful software. Stop this thread, please! Martin

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Martin
Of course I meant licenses other than GPL or Creative Commons. Many of us are badly affected by the nasty things about ACTA Martin Dne 22.3.2012 13:49, Martijn Kuipers napsal(a): On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Martin wrote: I would highly recommend to avoid any copyright notices at all.

Re: [Kicad-developers] EESCHEMA wire end length reduction

2012-03-22 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
Both of those work. After using the program for 5 years, I had grown accustomed to previous behavior which did not require selecting drag. You could simply use the wire tool and back trace over an existing track starting from its end, with a new track gesture. This used to shorten

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 03/22/2012 07:32 AM, Martin wrote: I would highly recommend to avoid any copyright notices at all. Kicad is OpenSource and all contributors working in the best meaning of the OpenSource ideas. Introduction of copyright in any form may have fatal impact to the future of this wonderful

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
In fact, I think that GPL is a bad license for the libraries kicad libraries, (authorship details appart...), In my opinion: * GPL is perfect for all the *sourcecode of KiCad*, and that must be keept like that. * GPL license is bad for the* library parts or footprints* (at least LGPL or some

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 03/22/2012 06:38 AM, Opendous Support wrote: Footprints are not subject to copyright either. They are not creative: ... they are simple data gathered from JEDEC, IPC and manufacturer sources. Copyright is designed to protect the original expression of ideas, and not the ideas themselves.

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Fabrizio Tappero
Hello, if we look at what the GEDA guys do/did, I seem to understand that they licensed everything (software and libraries) under GNU GPL: https://github.com/bert/gschem-symbols Word-processor templates for open-source word processors are open-source tools like LibreOffice could be distributed

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Martin
There is no universal copyright law accepted worldwide. So what copyright law? American, japanese, lesothean? Of course, we know the origin of GPL, everybody can read. The copyright law is in many countries a set of very stupid rubbish apparently created by non-computer people. So, before

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 03/22/2012 09:20 AM, Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo wrote: In fact, I think that GPL is a bad license for the libraries kicad libraries, (authorship details appart...), In my opinion: * GPL is perfect for all the *sourcecode of KiCad*, and that must be keept like that. * GPL license is bad

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Martijn Kuipers
On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 03/22/2012 06:38 AM, Opendous Support wrote: Footprints are not subject to copyright either. They are not creative: ... they are simple data gathered from JEDEC, IPC and manufacturer sources. Copyright is designed to protect the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
Martin P.S. I am leaving the list. I don't need to be called a fool. Martin, Coming into our board room and telling the owners that they should not talk about something, a concern raised by a user, obviously did not sit well with me. I am willing to apologize for my (over) reaction if you

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
2012/3/22 Dick Hollenbeck d...@softplc.com: Market share seems to be what we are after? Market share makes us what again?   Proud?  Great in the eyes of our children? I cannot remember, maybe I never knew. More people using KiCad, means more free people, since they won't be tied to

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 03/22/2012 10:06 AM, Fabrizio Tappero wrote: Hello, if we look at what the GEDA guys do/did, I seem to understand that they licensed everything (software and libraries) under GNU GPL: https://github.com/bert/gschem-symbols Word-processor templates for open-source word processors are

Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Middle mouse button pan for eeschema and pcbnew drawpanel

2012-03-22 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
lajos, Just tried the patch. Seems to work well up until you hit a scroll bar travel limit, at which point the pointer slips relative to the dragging drawing. I found this disconcerting. Is it desirable and easy to make it work such that the pointer freezes its directional travel on the axis

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread lajos kamocsay
This discussion about the library license is a really interesting topic, made me think all day. I just want to put this out there first, so you know where I'm coming from: when I contribute code or content to an open source project, I mostly just want to share something I made, that I find

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 03/22/2012 10:06 AM, Fabrizio Tappero wrote: Hello, if we look at what the GEDA guys do/did, I seem to understand that they licensed everything (software and libraries) under GNU GPL: https://github.com/bert/gschem-symbols Word-processor templates for open-source word processors are

Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Middle mouse button pan for eeschema and pcbnew drawpanel

2012-03-22 Thread lajos kamocsay
Hi Dick-- Thanks for taking looking at it. When I worked on this, I looked at the mose wheel + [ctrl | shift] behavior, which (at least in my build) was also limited to the scroll bar length. I agree with you however that removing that limit would work better, I can certainly take a crack at

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Opendous Support
As an example of how lawyered-up EDA companies treat libraries, refer to section 3.1 and 3.2 of the Altium EULA: http://www.altium.com/products/eula.cfm Their EULA restricts use of libraries to their products. You cannot restrict the use of something you do not own so I assume Altium's

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread lajos kamocsay
Totally agree with your point: 2) 9 times out of 10, when I have to use a symbol, I have to make my own. Even if I use a module from the library, I have to check it. It's better to find out in pcbnew if a footprint doesn't match rather than after etching and drilling a hundred holes. Just the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Library License

2012-03-22 Thread Element Green
Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents, from someone who is all *too* familiar with these types of discussions. * Libraries and modules distributed with Kicad should be public domain for maximum flexibility. I would assume Kicad is meant to be used in a commercial environment and I'd hate to have to