[kicad-users] Re: Absolute and relative Path
Thanks Lothar, Your solution is a possibility. But this means perhaps also, that for a further release, Kicad should take into account the possibility to fully work with relative path Regards Christian --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@... wrote: Short solution would be a subst to a virtual drive. Thus moving the contents only requires to change the subst command. I work with that any time on Windows for my projects (programming) and it also works at least with CVS managed projects. Lothar Am 20.04.2009 um 22:47 schrieb cklckl67: Dear all, Is there a possibility to work with relative directory in Kicad. In fact, in some cases it works very fine, in other not. For example, to add my libraries to my project, I modified my project file like following. [eeschema/libraries] LibName1=../lib/power.lib LibName2=../lib/regul.lib ... [cvpcb/libraries] EquName1=../modules/devcms ... [pcbnew/libraries] LibDir= LibName1=../modules/connect.mod ... And it's work fine. Nevertheless in libedit, when I specify a relative link for a component document, it doesn't work. Eeach time, Kicad tries to open the missing document under Kicad directory. Same case for 3D component models in the Module editor. I have to set the complete path, in the other case it doesn't work. This works C:/Documents and Settings/Christian.GRIS/Mes documents/papsi/trunk/ schemas PCB/modules/packages3d/ssop-28_dip-28_w300.wrl This doesn't work ../modules/packages3d/ssop-28_dip-28_w300.wrl Thanks in advance for your help and information Christian PS: Kicad is a super super great tool. A great thank you to the developer and the help staff to maintain this hight quality free tool -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen
Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
I have successfully designed a few boards using Atmel processors in an MLF32 package. This has a 0.5mm pin pitch and it causes a few problems (search for my OPs for details), but they are not totally insurmountable as you will see from the OPs and follow-up posts. Obviously one needs to design the footprint correctly, but despite my MLF footprint being pretty weird compared to lower density packages, designing it in kicad was not a problem. Does that answer your question? Regards, Robert. Lothar Behrens wrote: Thanks. If comparing the Samsung 2442 chip pin distance of 0.8 millimeter, creating a module in KICAD would be doable. (http://www.opatnet.cz/elektronika/datasheet/U/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf) Here are the other components that are used in the FreeRunner: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware Especially the flash memory seems not clear to me (the fbga pin diameter of 0.0138 inch (b) and distance of 0.0295 inch (e) as of http://www.numonyx.com/Documents/Datasheets/M58WRxxxKTB.pdf The other components must be reviewed too, but this seems to be a house mark of package density :-) So I ask especially for designs using such fbga parts. Lothar Am 20.04.2009 um 18:56 schrieb Dave - WB6DHW: Lothar: I use KICAD to design all of my boards. They vary from DIP parts down to fine pitch (.020 pitch) parts. A PDF of the schematic and board layout for each of my boards is available on my website. Dave - WB6DHW http://wb6dhw.com Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2068 - Release Date: 04/19/09 20:04:00
Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
Hi, We have used Kicad in all our designs since 2005. For example, Altera FPGA 484 pins BGA, 0.0060 Clearance, 0.0039 mask clearance, 6 layers, 0402 capacitors, through vias. All routings are hand made and boards are in production. Regards, Pedro. I am doing a small research if KICAD will be capable to create boards with 8 or more layers using high density components like FBGA parts. It's about a mobile phone / smart phone from OpenMoko, that now will be further developed in a comunity. As I remember if I am right they used Mentor PADS if that is what you mentioned. For a comunity it should better be an open source tool than a closed source. That's why I am asking for success stories or simply stating 'we using KICAD for our project X containing these parts: As in my other post: Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[kicad-users] Re:KICAD success stories ?
Here is my 6 layer ARM board with a couple of bga's (CPU and SDRAM Memory) http://dl.softplc.com/ds_Smartboard.pdf as an example. To do some of the fan out under the BGAs I added some through hole pins as part of the footprint. These through hole pins would share the same pin number as the ball pad, and then by adding the solder mask to the padstack for the through hole pins, they end up being pre-placed vias on the layout. A board like this cannot be done without bridging to freerouter however. Without the push and shove manual routing it is impossible. I did not use the autorouting in freerouter, just manual routing. Dick
Re: [kicad-users] Sample video board 3D view - components missing?
On linux it's usually that you don't have an OpenGl enabled X-Windows driver. I imagine you might need something similar on the Mac as well. --Mike On Tuesday 21 April 2009 08:00:52 Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, I am currently trying out the version from 20090416 on my Mac (PPC). I have additionally downloaded the library and setup the path to it to avoid error messages when starting up eeschema. But what about the 3D models in the 3D viewer. What must I do to enable the view of the components in 3D? I have activated all layers in pcbnew before showing 3D. I think this was running out of the box on earlyer versions (on Windows at least). Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Mike Sharkey Pike Aerospace Research Corporation Sudbury, Ontario Canada http://www.pikeaero.com -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEl3a9MRBACEd+RdECvKT+UWu1asgGGZDlQdjWr7W1Jx99sOy4VHkxx+ch4W RWAi8d5zqzf5Zpcy1a0qTtaHZrEnOFcHQHqDjQ2SQZHvI0AQjmLVSal1nA6aYgZA mZyR2XeiwkGRQB1hR4D6u+pDFoiycH7JbdJqMqdOdRi6x5V4ItwJOMN6/wCg6BZp sfa5Pww/xMvZZU+D+VnaGFkD+wXG23AgVn/Kj/nm8jK163efY7S9R8ezRQEhEbiw kzeZYwZfFBIVRNNf+ZJMj081V/nMRxsG8Perau/ZbaOmMLoX6zmD9ibA5QkBL/Fc jrmhodKpU3IYtujDDaGSrAdg5HM68XUwEQW/dxRphxmgLy+SWGcvO2WP/1QuHQ9m hIsTA/9MPze+UDdd3crFbI/gCCALuyvrY7ycuU1zA2AOSPuxkvw3EVGjizwxc7Ty YdwBWpEFcsQOeAEUnqWcNaeaUUAp5g02AGpHM1X0JGl+VFuBrICcG2MHQ0ygdEGj ueDJqrO7/iGPD0IdAAQ5/2LPmlBHLxPPjtJ3RrCkwWZZmDwH+rRGTWlrZSBTaGFy a2V5IChQaWtlIEFlcm9zcGFjZSBSZXNlYXJjaCBDb3Jwb3JhdGlvbikgPG1pa2VA cGlrZWFlcm8uY29tPohgBBMRAgAgBQJJd2vTAhsDBgsJCAcDAgQVAggDBBYCAwEC HgECF4AACgkQft9gRFdXee1RewCggkTryX8WRqHXuEfdNCH/OT6Z3rsAoLrDPaw5 e6WhZqeE3oc2Z5yEphz7uQINBEl3a9MQCADrRMnhZgyh9qSw4n4eS+S5g+DkwSdF fhhdAth1D8eZgG31VwWX5eLmpLPEVgmkiI2TcPykdLQht3YEEI2u0ZSAUxAk3u+j w5RMKx7es0aK8M7ukadFyQiFaZWMvWhxEGyFUwmQGPWGqbSy6fGZ3ker8RQYOGDl drw9p97d7F/F3va61GJypcIxyvk5enAKxT6JMPbeO3FVMhkOrj7lSWFudHlUp5lj ks88zpQabNCLGWc4iBJBGiouf+IFRS5v0rDKtn7WbmNhv0k2qfVVBJKr2xO9KSAi 9hc5RZV+Q8YVAPsByB7PVE7wdZCaDyLmhd1VhnI4X70ETgUfou9FP8zrAAMFB/9r OEspX/bybnUJiiGvGlUbugCQmiLkCRCfn2RP+sQyXoMkueDjui6zBoGkYcQ/P8x2 QaxokjeqrR7h9JuzmA8C3U3qkImfvTk7JnQ3M+CkzD72+fyrsTeLU2rRx435aJ3g oNiETUM95pW1QtNOLwHKyZVBR+4wvn/Jo3HcyNlg+TgN4AXvBLh9RL6n6ICjIVSC vZscdP+PSCfN4C+ueU036zeiy4KVP+YQDusi97dn2+DY5oIS8qUXhte8jQdSbQ4w rPmOXcpid34+GLcn5jmBizCu1M867/UxEUfiIknk5dKal4B/enGawWvu3TWJ3tHP YX5VWEvq9XsPMreDzU+XiEkEGBECAAkFAkl3a9MCGwwACgkQft9gRFdXee2GYwCg sBQjrzU+smUNYPPdpzmETCykvaUAn1pUaljXvO/BkSgfhWvvo9MT8nK6 =jxur -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: [kicad-users] Re:KICAD success stories ?
Am 21.04.2009 um 15:53 schrieb Dick Hollenbeck: Here is my 6 layer ARM board with a couple of bga's (CPU and SDRAM Memory) http://dl.softplc.com/ds_Smartboard.pdf as an example. To do some of the fan out under the BGAs I added some through hole pins as part of the footprint. These through hole pins would share the same pin number as the ball pad, and then by adding the solder mask to the padstack for the through hole pins, they end up being pre-placed vias on the layout. Does this mean a feature like 'virtual components' with prerouted wires and vias will be possible? (Modularize a project by creating MCM components as KICAD modules) I don't know if this will be easy to map subsheets to such a 'component'. Maybe there is a mechanism to logically group together some chips and other parts to be in a 'MCM' module. But when thinking about a simple 7400 chip, it has sub circuits that could be placed separately, but it is still one component. Are there posts and ideas about 'subsheet as a component'? A board like this cannot be done without bridging to freerouter however. Without the push and shove manual routing it is impossible. I did not use the autorouting in freerouter, just manual routing. I personally don't trust autorouters :-) Thanks Lothar Dick -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] Sample video board 3D view - components missing?
Am 21.04.2009 um 16:05 schrieb mike: I think it is enabled. I can open the 3D view, but not showing the components, only the board and that is viewable at any angle in XYZ. Lothar On linux it's usually that you don't have an OpenGl enabled X- Windows driver. I imagine you might need something similar on the Mac as well. --Mike On Tuesday 21 April 2009 08:00:52 Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, I am currently trying out the version from 20090416 on my Mac (PPC). I have additionally downloaded the library and setup the path to it to avoid error messages when starting up eeschema. But what about the 3D models in the 3D viewer. What must I do to enable the view of the components in 3D? I have activated all layers in pcbnew before showing 3D. I think this was running out of the box on earlyer versions (on Windows at least). Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Mike Sharkey Pike Aerospace Research Corporation Sudbury, Ontario Canada http://www.pikeaero.com -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEl3a9MRBACEd+RdECvKT+UWu1asgGGZDlQdjWr7W1Jx99sOy4VHkxx+ch4W RWAi8d5zqzf5Zpcy1a0qTtaHZrEnOFcHQHqDjQ2SQZHvI0AQjmLVSal1nA6aYgZA mZyR2XeiwkGRQB1hR4D6u+pDFoiycH7JbdJqMqdOdRi6x5V4ItwJOMN6/wCg6BZp sfa5Pww/xMvZZU+D+VnaGFkD+wXG23AgVn/Kj/nm8jK163efY7S9R8ezRQEhEbiw kzeZYwZfFBIVRNNf+ZJMj081V/nMRxsG8Perau/ZbaOmMLoX6zmD9ibA5QkBL/Fc jrmhodKpU3IYtujDDaGSrAdg5HM68XUwEQW/dxRphxmgLy+SWGcvO2WP/1QuHQ9m hIsTA/9MPze+UDdd3crFbI/gCCALuyvrY7ycuU1zA2AOSPuxkvw3EVGjizwxc7Ty YdwBWpEFcsQOeAEUnqWcNaeaUUAp5g02AGpHM1X0JGl+VFuBrICcG2MHQ0ygdEGj ueDJqrO7/iGPD0IdAAQ5/2LPmlBHLxPPjtJ3RrCkwWZZmDwH+rRGTWlrZSBTaGFy a2V5IChQaWtlIEFlcm9zcGFjZSBSZXNlYXJjaCBDb3Jwb3JhdGlvbikgPG1pa2VA cGlrZWFlcm8uY29tPohgBBMRAgAgBQJJd2vTAhsDBgsJCAcDAgQVAggDBBYCAwEC HgECF4AACgkQft9gRFdXee1RewCggkTryX8WRqHXuEfdNCH/OT6Z3rsAoLrDPaw5 e6WhZqeE3oc2Z5yEphz7uQINBEl3a9MQCADrRMnhZgyh9qSw4n4eS+S5g+DkwSdF fhhdAth1D8eZgG31VwWX5eLmpLPEVgmkiI2TcPykdLQht3YEEI2u0ZSAUxAk3u+j w5RMKx7es0aK8M7ukadFyQiFaZWMvWhxEGyFUwmQGPWGqbSy6fGZ3ker8RQYOGDl drw9p97d7F/F3va61GJypcIxyvk5enAKxT6JMPbeO3FVMhkOrj7lSWFudHlUp5lj ks88zpQabNCLGWc4iBJBGiouf+IFRS5v0rDKtn7WbmNhv0k2qfVVBJKr2xO9KSAi 9hc5RZV+Q8YVAPsByB7PVE7wdZCaDyLmhd1VhnI4X70ETgUfou9FP8zrAAMFB/9r OEspX/bybnUJiiGvGlUbugCQmiLkCRCfn2RP+sQyXoMkueDjui6zBoGkYcQ/P8x2 QaxokjeqrR7h9JuzmA8C3U3qkImfvTk7JnQ3M+CkzD72+fyrsTeLU2rRx435aJ3g oNiETUM95pW1QtNOLwHKyZVBR+4wvn/Jo3HcyNlg+TgN4AXvBLh9RL6n6ICjIVSC vZscdP+PSCfN4C+ueU036zeiy4KVP+YQDusi97dn2+DY5oIS8qUXhte8jQdSbQ4w rPmOXcpid34+GLcn5jmBizCu1M867/UxEUfiIknk5dKal4B/enGawWvu3TWJ3tHP YX5VWEvq9XsPMreDzU+XiEkEGBECAAkFAkl3a9MCGwwACgkQft9gRFdXee2GYwCg sBQjrzU+smUNYPPdpzmETCykvaUAn1pUaljXvO/BkSgfhWvvo9MT8nK6 =jxur -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] Re:KICAD success stories ?
Lothar Behrens escreveu: Does this mean a feature like 'virtual components' with prerouted wires and vias will be possible? That is a very important kicad limitation. No tracks in a componente and it you use a workaround (like I did) anything that you place on a copper layer wil be ignored by DRC and ZONEs filling, probably leading to shorts :( This is considered won't do for the moment :( And will probably olny change if a lot of people feel it is important... Don't take me wrong, I AM a kicad fan, but some limitations are a PITA... Alain Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
