Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
I wasn't trying to say KiCAD was using that much RAM. That was just the configuration of the machines. Also, I would NEVER try to run anything on Vista, period! If you have Vista, invest in the upgrade and don't attempt anything with less than 2 GB. From: kajdas To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Cc: Greg Dyess Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 6:19:12 PM Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 > Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM) > that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. > I see no discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's > highly unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the > performance issues the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old > laptop (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) > and have performance complaints there either. Good suggestions, but I am wandering what are you running because I also use Kicad on both and never used more than 0.5 GB of memory (768 MB installed) on single-core CPU and it is running fine, though not the latest SVN version. I would also recommend checking for viruses, because anytime I had a Windows machine slow down it was a zambie sending a lot of garbage to the internet. Unplug Ethernet and see. M. Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
[kicad-users] KiCAD build issues
Ooops, that should have read I have NO performance complaints on Windows 7 on my laptop. Since we're on the topic of running SVN builds of KiCAD, I have always wanted to build KiCAD from the sources just to satisfy my own curiosity as well as try hacking some things just for fun. I've tried a couple of times to get everything together to compile, but kept running into trouble. Since I am not as familiar with Linux as I am with Windows, I am open to it being all my fault and just not understanding some of the requirements. Is there an updated set of instructions for exactly how/where to obtain the 3rd party items and what has to built and how? Thanks, Greg
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
> Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM) > that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. > I see no discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's > highly unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the > performance issues the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old > laptop (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) > and have performance complaints there either. Good suggestions, but I am wandering what are you running because I also use Kicad on both and never used more than 0.5 GB of memory (768 MB installed) on single-core CPU and it is running fine, though not the latest SVN version. I would also recommend checking for viruses, because anytime I had a Windows machine slow down it was a zambie sending a lot of garbage to the internet. Unplug Ethernet and see. M.
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
Greg Dyess escreveu: > > Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB > RAM) that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. I see no > discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's highly > unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the performance issues > the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old laptop > (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) and have performance > complaints there either. I just want to make myself 100% clear: if you are running the latest *stable* version there is no performace issue. The performance problem is in the SVN version, which is a developer's only version. And the devellopers are working on it :) Alain
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
OK, I think your rant against Windows is just a little over the top and adds nothing constructive to the conversation. Some people don't have the choice to run whatever they want and that must be recognized. KiCAD supports Windows and if there is a major performance issue, it should be looked into since the level of graphics processing is pretty minimal for KiCAD compared to real-time games, etc. Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM) that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. I see no discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's highly unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the performance issues the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old laptop (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) and have performance complaints there either. You didn't mention what hardware you are running this on, so it's hard to tell whether you are just simply underpowered for Windows 7. Does your system run other applications well? Have you checked the Task Manager and/or Performance Monitor to try to determine what resource is causing the bottleneck (CPU, Memory, Disk, Interrupts, etc)? I would suggest you check the following: 1. Check to make sure all of the third-party libraries are up to date and are compiled with the optimizing/release settings. 2. Make sure you have plenty of RAM (at LEAST 2 GB or more). 3. Make sure you have the latest optimized drivers for your video card. 4. If you have BOINC running, make sure none of your projects are using the CUDA to push processing onto your graphics card. If you do have this, make sure at lease you have it set to only use the GCU whenever it is not busy or your graphics willl be horribly slow on everything. Check to see if you have any viruses or anything else running in the background soaking up CPU/GPU cycles. Greg From: DanielW To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 1:53:09 PM Subject: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 There's another solution you're missing: use a CAD package that's designed to work well under Windows, unlike KiCad. Someone who's willing to shell out hard-earned cash for Windows 7 should be happy to also buy a nice commercial CAD package, such as Orcad. Trying to run Free software on Windows is just silly. If you're going to buy into the whole commercial software thing, then don't do it halfway. Use paid, commercial software for everything you do in Windows, as the whole environment is one where Microsoft and its ISV partners work together to bring you the software experience they think you should have, for a fee, and if you're bought Windows, then that proves that you also buy into Microsoft's vision. Microsoft's vision does NOT include any Free software; they've stated this publicly over and over. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with KiCad running on Kubuntu. Dan --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "dickelbeck" wrote: > > --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "o00batman00o" wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen > > refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. > > I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. > > > > My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this > > way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. > > > > Does someone noticed the same issue? > > No, but I don't use Windows. > > > Is there a solution ? > > Use Ubuntu? > > How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years > ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can > call Microsoft and get help on issues like this? > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
--- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "o00batman00o" wrote: > > If I could I would have move totally under Linux but in the professional > world it's impossible. Lots of developing software are not are only available > for windows. > yes, lots of C++ software developed with Visual Studio, C#,.net etc but becoming eclipsed by gcc, g++, eclipse IDE or cmake...but CAE, ASIC HDL simulators, embedded cross development, smart phone apps, etc are Linux based. A lot of apps run faster on Linux. Most annoying are web sites that only work with M$ exployer. I only use windows for Quicken and TurboTax. Hard to beat OpenOffice, evolution, planner, subversion, gcc, eclipse, Firefox, Thunderbird, ssh, UltraVPN, Apache, etc. Ubuntu has always installed fully functional and the debian package manager works well. Support from the Open Source community is often better than the pay as you go software. At the moment my dual boot system is stuck on loading the Mup.sys XP driver either from the Harddrive or CD boot probably because of a bad, yet disabled secondary IDE channel but Ubuntu reports the disabled channel in the log file, goes on and works just fine! -Frank
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
Things are abit moe complicated than that. The new version of Kicad has a major rework os it's internals. It is getting really better, for what I can see. There were problems in MAC, it seems to be solved, there are more problems in Windows, they are analyzing something like 3 alternatives right this weekend... Ah... and not all developpers use Linux, so at least some of the inner team is using windows... Don't despair. And if you want everything ok, why not jut grab the stable release? Alain kajdas escreveu: > Exactly. It is like complaining to Apple that their programs do not work well > under Vista. > I guess the problem could be fixed somehow but most of Kicad developers use > Linux, (I use Fedora) and their priority is in their own interest. Someone > may eventually fix it when they see the need for it but I got tired of > developing code when you have roadblocks behind every corner and MS charging > toll. > Linux programs running on Windows use compatibility-emulation libraries which > always degrade performance. > There may be a new library bug or new MIcrosoft 'feature' and who wants to > spend time to find out which. > M.
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
If I could I would have move totally under Linux but in the professional world it's impossible. Lots of developing software are not are only available for windows.
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
Exactly. It is like complaining to Apple that their programs do not work well under Vista. I guess the problem could be fixed somehow but most of Kicad developers use Linux, (I use Fedora) and their priority is in their own interest. Someone may eventually fix it when they see the need for it but I got tired of developing code when you have roadblocks behind every corner and MS charging toll. Linux programs running on Windows use compatibility-emulation libraries which always degrade performance. There may be a new library bug or new MIcrosoft 'feature' and who wants to spend time to find out which. M. DanielW wrote: = There's another solution you're missing: use a CAD package that's designed to work well under Windows, unlike KiCad. Someone who's willing to shell out hard-earned cash for Windows 7 should be happy to also buy a nice commercial CAD package, such as Orcad. Trying to run Free software on Windows is just silly. If you're going to buy into the whole commercial software thing, then don't do it halfway. Use paid, commercial software for everything you do in Windows, as the whole environment is one where Microsoft and its ISV partners work together to bring you the software experience they think you should have, for a fee, and if you're bought Windows, then that proves that you also buy into Microsoft's vision. Microsoft's vision does NOT include any Free software; they've stated this publicly over and over. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with KiCad running on Kubuntu. Dan --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "dickelbeck" wrote: > > --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "o00batman00o" wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen > > refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. > > I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. > > > > My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this > > way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. > > > > Does someone noticed the same issue? > > No, but I don't use Windows. > > > Is there a solution ? > > Use Ubuntu? > > How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years > ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can > call Microsoft and get help on issues like this? >
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
Please dont say silly things. If you thing that Windows is crap, I may agree with you. But there are lots of people out thete that *need* to use it, or are not as smart as you are to use only Linux. Kicad is NOT AT ALL ruling Windows out. There is a lot of work going on on the Development List to make windows as fast as possible and it will certainly get better before the final release. Alain PS: I am stepping this this because that is the second time that someone that should not speak in kicad's behalf sends an unpolite anwer to a windows user. I am not a regular Windows user myself, but I have a lot of good friends that are and I moving to Kicad is just one more step out of Windows. DanielW escreveu: > There's another solution you're missing: use a CAD package that's designed to > work well under Windows, unlike KiCad. > > Someone who's willing to shell out hard-earned cash for Windows 7 should be > happy to also buy a nice commercial CAD package, such as Orcad. Trying to > run Free software on Windows is just silly. If you're going to buy into the > whole commercial software thing, then don't do it halfway. Use paid, > commercial software for everything you do in Windows, as the whole > environment is one where Microsoft and its ISV partners work together to > bring you the software experience they think you should have, for a fee, and > if you're bought Windows, then that proves that you also buy into Microsoft's > vision. Microsoft's vision does NOT include any Free software; they've > stated this publicly over and over. > > Personally, I'm perfectly happy with KiCad running on Kubuntu. > > Dan > > > > > --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "dickelbeck" wrote: >> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "o00batman00o" wrote: >>> Hello >>> >>> Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen >>> refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. >>> I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. >>> >>> My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this >>> way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. >>> >>> Does someone noticed the same issue? >> No, but I don't use Windows. >> >>> Is there a solution ? >> Use Ubuntu? >> >> How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years >> ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can >> call Microsoft and get help on issues like this? >> > > > > > > > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your > question. > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of > Kicad. > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your > symbols/modules to the kicad library. > For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the > kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups > Links > > > > >
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
There's another solution you're missing: use a CAD package that's designed to work well under Windows, unlike KiCad. Someone who's willing to shell out hard-earned cash for Windows 7 should be happy to also buy a nice commercial CAD package, such as Orcad. Trying to run Free software on Windows is just silly. If you're going to buy into the whole commercial software thing, then don't do it halfway. Use paid, commercial software for everything you do in Windows, as the whole environment is one where Microsoft and its ISV partners work together to bring you the software experience they think you should have, for a fee, and if you're bought Windows, then that proves that you also buy into Microsoft's vision. Microsoft's vision does NOT include any Free software; they've stated this publicly over and over. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with KiCad running on Kubuntu. Dan --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "dickelbeck" wrote: > > --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "o00batman00o" wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen > > refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. > > I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. > > > > My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this > > way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. > > > > Does someone noticed the same issue? > > No, but I don't use Windows. > > > Is there a solution ? > > Use Ubuntu? > > How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years > ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can > call Microsoft and get help on issues like this? >
[kicad-users] kicad-2010-02-09-RC2 is too much slow
Hello to all concerned! First I appreciate the features in the new release of Kicad (kicad-2010-02-09-RC1). However I noticed that the mentioned version run much slower under WinXp. I think that this may be is due to utilizing more memory. please take notice for this issue or please guide for the solution. Regards Azher
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Formal Checking Method for PCB Designs
Thank you. All the files are now in: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/files/DesignCheckingTechniques/ Regards, Robert. Derek Koonce wrote: > No problem. It has been moved. > > Derek Koonce > > > > Robert wrote: >>> Here is one a bit more encompassing that covers schematic, PCB and >>> even system-level checks. These are out there on the web and I pulled >>> together these two complete lists that are in the one DOC file. >> There's some useful stuff in there. I can see that the two could >> perhaps be combined, but for the moment IMHO it would be sensible to >> have files on how to check designs together in one directory. Are you >> able to save your file in my FormalCheckingMethod directory? If so, >> I'll rename my directory to something more general. >> >>> I do like the focused PCB one you posted. >> Thank you. My own goal was to create something that catches all the >> show-stoppers and some of the more annoying errors without creating >> something that is so long and complicated it never gets used. However, >> as I was writing the guidance notes I realised it could do with links to >> more detail. >> >> Regards, >> >> Robert. >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/15/10 >> 07:35:00 >> >> > > > > > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your > question. > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of > Kicad. > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your > symbols/modules to the kicad library. > For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the > kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/15/10 > 07:35:00 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/15/10 07:35:00
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Formal Checking Method for PCB Designs
No problem. It has been moved. Derek Koonce Robert wrote: > > > Here is one a bit more encompassing that covers schematic, PCB and > > even system-level checks. These are out there on the web and I pulled > > together these two complete lists that are in the one DOC file. > > There's some useful stuff in there. I can see that the two could > perhaps be combined, but for the moment IMHO it would be sensible to > have files on how to check designs together in one directory. Are you > able to save your file in my FormalCheckingMethod directory? If so, > I'll rename my directory to something more general. > > > I do like the focused PCB one you posted. > > Thank you. My own goal was to create something that catches all the > show-stoppers and some of the more annoying errors without creating > something that is so long and complicated it never gets used. However, > as I was writing the guidance notes I realised it could do with links to > more detail. > > Regards, > > Robert. > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/15/10 > 07:35:00 > > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Formal Checking Method for PCB Designs
> Here is one a bit more encompassing that covers schematic, PCB and > even system-level checks. These are out there on the web and I pulled > together these two complete lists that are in the one DOC file. There's some useful stuff in there. I can see that the two could perhaps be combined, but for the moment IMHO it would be sensible to have files on how to check designs together in one directory. Are you able to save your file in my FormalCheckingMethod directory? If so, I'll rename my directory to something more general. > I do like the focused PCB one you posted. Thank you. My own goal was to create something that catches all the show-stoppers and some of the more annoying errors without creating something that is so long and complicated it never gets used. However, as I was writing the guidance notes I realised it could do with links to more detail. Regards, Robert. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/15/10 07:35:00
