Re: [kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
Hi, Even in the case we make a mechanical hole, the pcb make doesn't know which hole must not be plated, so I always tell him which are the unplated holes. Pedro. I agree with Dennevi. There should be a mechanical hole setting. As extraordinarily as KICAD has evolved, can't keep finding ways around to accomplish basic tasks. Kind Regards, Sigi Paez On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:45 AM, dennevi denn...@live.se wrote: You could also draw a circle in the edges_pcb layer instead of using a pad. We do this with unplated holes and it works great with pcb manufacturers. I would really like if it were possible to choose between hole and mecanical in the pad settings, and if it were possible to generate one drill-file with plated holes and a second drill-file with just unplated mecanical holes. Thanks for a great application! --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com kicad-users%40yahoogroups.com, evlotus7 btre...@... wrote: Thanks for your suggestions. The easiest way for me will be to go with Pedro's first option, I can't reasonably unplate 1600 1mm holes by hand. Thanks, P.S. When I checked the pcbnew manual: 12.8.2 - Setting pad properties, I noticed two more pad type (hole and mecanical). What happen to those pad type in the 20090216-final of Kicad? Bruno --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com kicad-users%40yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson andyyahoo@ wrote: or make it a smaller hole then run the correct size drill through it afterwards. That will remove any THP. Andy On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:26 +0200 Pedro Martin pkicad@ wrote: Hi, I think the hole wall will be covered with copper anyway, maybe making a short circuit between layers. There are 2 ways: 1. Tell the pcb maker which holes will be not plated. 2. If you send the gerbers to an automatic pcb maker, such as pcbexpress, let them fill the hole and afterwards you can sand it with an abrasive file. And, as Abhijit says, with zero annular rings. Both ways have worked for us. Pedro. right clock on pad and go to pad edit. uncheck both the coper and component side. Hoping it may solve your problem. Abhijit Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
[kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
Hi again Your exactly right Pedro. The problem is that there's no good way of telling the pcb-maker. You can give him additional information in a comments layer or in some instruction, but it would be great if this were automatic. Some PCB applications has the ability of generating two separate drill-files with plated and unplated holes. This would save a lot of manual work and confusion. As you say, when all the holes are in the same drill-file it's very hard to tell the difference. But I'm not complaining! I love the application and I very much appreciate the huge work that has been done in the last year! Yours Albin, Sweden --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Pedro Martin pki...@... wrote: Hi, Even in the case we make a mechanical hole, the pcb make doesn't know which hole must not be plated, so I always tell him which are the unplated holes. Pedro. I agree with Dennevi. There should be a mechanical hole setting. As extraordinarily as KICAD has evolved, can't keep finding ways around to accomplish basic tasks. Kind Regards, Sigi Paez On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:45 AM, dennevi denn...@... wrote: You could also draw a circle in the edges_pcb layer instead of using a pad. We do this with unplated holes and it works great with pcb manufacturers. I would really like if it were possible to choose between hole and mecanical in the pad settings, and if it were possible to generate one drill-file with plated holes and a second drill-file with just unplated mecanical holes. Thanks for a great application! --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com kicad-users%40yahoogroups.com, evlotus7 btrembl@ wrote: Thanks for your suggestions. The easiest way for me will be to go with Pedro's first option, I can't reasonably unplate 1600 1mm holes by hand. Thanks, P.S. When I checked the pcbnew manual: 12.8.2 - Setting pad properties, I noticed two more pad type (hole and mecanical). What happen to those pad type in the 20090216-final of Kicad? Bruno --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com kicad-users%40yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson andyyahoo@ wrote: or make it a smaller hole then run the correct size drill through it afterwards. That will remove any THP. Andy On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:26 +0200 Pedro Martin pkicad@ wrote: Hi, I think the hole wall will be covered with copper anyway, maybe making a short circuit between layers. There are 2 ways: 1. Tell the pcb maker which holes will be not plated. 2. If you send the gerbers to an automatic pcb maker, such as pcbexpress, let them fill the hole and afterwards you can sand it with an abrasive file. And, as Abhijit says, with zero annular rings. Both ways have worked for us. Pedro. right clock on pad and go to pad edit. uncheck both the coper and component side. Hoping it may solve your problem. Abhijit Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
Hi, this thread seems interesting, but... When do you realy need a hole *not* to be plated? Specialy it that will be an extra manufacturing cost (you may negociate and not be billed, but the cost is there) What I usualy do, and manufacturers understand is this: the pad *and* the hole with the same size. This is usefull just in case where there may be doubt, and may otherwyse thing that I made a mistake. This usualy result in a hole that *is* metalized, but has no copper around it. Sometimes for mechanical reasons I can even make it just a little bigger just because it will be more rigid so a plastic fixture may need the extra space. I am interesting in some feedback :) Alain dennevi escreveu: Hi again Your exactly right Pedro. The problem is that there's no good way of telling the pcb-maker. You can give him additional information in a comments layer or in some instruction, but it would be great if this were automatic. Some PCB applications has the ability of generating two separate drill-files with plated and unplated holes. This would save a lot of manual work and confusion. As you say, when all the holes are in the same drill-file it's very hard to tell the difference. But I'm not complaining! I love the application and I very much appreciate the huge work that has been done in the last year! Yours Albin, Sweden
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
You might want an unplated hole when you need a hole to be of a better precision. For instance, my PCB manufactureres offer +/-0.1mm diameter tolerance for plated through holes, but they can offer +/-0.05mm diameter tolerance for unplated through holes. This comes from the fact that it is a little more difficult to control the thickness of the metal inside the hole. Bear in mind that this is just an example. There can be countless reasons for which you might want a hole not to be plated. Cristian --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Alain M. ala...@pobox.com wrote: From: Alain M. ala...@pobox.com Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 6:07 PM Hi, this thread seems interesting, but... When do you realy need a hole *not* to be plated? Specialy it that will be an extra manufacturing cost (you may negociate and not be billed, but the cost is there) What I usualy do, and manufacturers understand is this: the pad *and* the hole with the same size. This is usefull just in case where there may be doubt, and may otherwyse thing that I made a mistake. This usualy result in a hole that *is* metalized, but has no copper around it. Sometimes for mechanical reasons I can even make it just a little bigger just because it will be more rigid so a plastic fixture may need the extra space. I am interesting in some feedback :) Alain dennevi escreveu: Hi again Your exactly right Pedro. The problem is that there's no good way of telling the pcb-maker. You can give him additional information in a comments layer or in some instruction, but it would be great if this were automatic. Some PCB applications has the ability of generating two separate drill-files with plated and unplated holes. This would save a lot of manual work and confusion. As you say, when all the holes are in the same drill-file it's very hard to tell the difference. But I'm not complaining! I love the application and I very much appreciate the huge work that has been done in the last year! Yours Albin, Sweden Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 12:07:52PM -0300, Alain M. wrote: dennevi escreveu: Hi again Your exactly right Pedro. The problem is that there's no good way of telling the pcb-maker. You can give him additional information in a comments layer or in some instruction, but it would be great if this were automatic. AFAIK the hole gets plated if the copper mask covers it in whole or in part. Otherwise, not plated. This worked for me with several manufacturers, without any additional info. Mihai
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
I agree with Dennevi. There should be a mechanical hole setting. As extraordinarily as KICAD has evolved, can't keep finding ways around to accomplish basic tasks. Kind Regards, Sigi Paez On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:45 AM, dennevi denn...@live.se wrote: You could also draw a circle in the edges_pcb layer instead of using a pad. We do this with unplated holes and it works great with pcb manufacturers. I would really like if it were possible to choose between hole and mecanical in the pad settings, and if it were possible to generate one drill-file with plated holes and a second drill-file with just unplated mecanical holes. Thanks for a great application! --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com kicad-users%40yahoogroups.com, evlotus7 btre...@... wrote: Thanks for your suggestions. The easiest way for me will be to go with Pedro's first option, I can't reasonably unplate 1600 1mm holes by hand. Thanks, P.S. When I checked the pcbnew manual: 12.8.2 - Setting pad properties, I noticed two more pad type (hole and mecanical). What happen to those pad type in the 20090216-final of Kicad? Bruno --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com kicad-users%40yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson andyyahoo@ wrote: or make it a smaller hole then run the correct size drill through it afterwards. That will remove any THP. Andy On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:26 +0200 Pedro Martin pkicad@ wrote: Hi, I think the hole wall will be covered with copper anyway, maybe making a short circuit between layers. There are 2 ways: 1. Tell the pcb maker which holes will be not plated. 2. If you send the gerbers to an automatic pcb maker, such as pcbexpress, let them fill the hole and afterwards you can sand it with an abrasive file. And, as Abhijit says, with zero annular rings. Both ways have worked for us. Pedro. right clock on pad and go to pad edit. uncheck both the coper and component side. Hoping it may solve your problem. Abhijit Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
[kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
You could also draw a circle in the edges_pcb layer instead of using a pad. We do this with unplated holes and it works great with pcb manufacturers. I would really like if it were possible to choose between hole and mecanical in the pad settings, and if it were possible to generate one drill-file with plated holes and a second drill-file with just unplated mecanical holes. Thanks for a great application! --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, evlotus7 btre...@... wrote: Thanks for your suggestions. The easiest way for me will be to go with Pedro's first option, I can't reasonably unplate 1600 1mm holes by hand. Thanks, P.S. When I checked the pcbnew manual: 12.8.2 - Setting pad properties, I noticed two more pad type (hole and mecanical). What happen to those pad type in the 20090216-final of Kicad? Bruno --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson andyyahoo@ wrote: or make it a smaller hole then run the correct size drill through it afterwards. That will remove any THP. Andy On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:26 +0200 Pedro Martin pkicad@ wrote: Hi, I think the hole wall will be covered with copper anyway, maybe making a short circuit between layers. There are 2 ways: 1. Tell the pcb maker which holes will be not plated. 2. If you send the gerbers to an automatic pcb maker, such as pcbexpress, let them fill the hole and afterwards you can sand it with an abrasive file. And, as Abhijit says, with zero annular rings. Both ways have worked for us. Pedro. right clock on pad and go to pad edit. uncheck both the coper and component side. Hoping it may solve your problem. Abhijit Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
[kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
Thanks for your suggestions. The easiest way for me will be to go with Pedro's first option, I can't reasonably unplate 1600 1mm holes by hand. Thanks, P.S. When I checked the pcbnew manual: 12.8.2 - Setting pad properties, I noticed two more pad type (hole and mecanical). What happen to those pad type in the 20090216-final of Kicad? Bruno --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson andyya...@... wrote: or make it a smaller hole then run the correct size drill through it afterwards. That will remove any THP. Andy On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:26 +0200 Pedro Martin pki...@... wrote: Hi, I think the hole wall will be covered with copper anyway, maybe making a short circuit between layers. There are 2 ways: 1. Tell the pcb maker which holes will be not plated. 2. If you send the gerbers to an automatic pcb maker, such as pcbexpress, let them fill the hole and afterwards you can sand it with an abrasive file. And, as Abhijit says, with zero annular rings. Both ways have worked for us. Pedro. right clock on pad and go to pad edit. uncheck both the coper and component side. Hoping it may solve your problem. Abhijit Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
[kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
right clock on pad and go to pad edit. uncheck both the coper and component side. Hoping it may solve your problem. Abhijit
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
Hi, I think the hole wall will be covered with copper anyway, maybe making a short circuit between layers. There are 2 ways: 1. Tell the pcb maker which holes will be not plated. 2. If you send the gerbers to an automatic pcb maker, such as pcbexpress, let them fill the hole and afterwards you can sand it with an abrasive file. And, as Abhijit says, with zero annular rings. Both ways have worked for us. Pedro. right clock on pad and go to pad edit. uncheck both the coper and component side. Hoping it may solve your problem. Abhijit
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Unplated hole in module editor
or make it a smaller hole then run the correct size drill through it afterwards. That will remove any THP. Andy On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:26 +0200 Pedro Martin pki...@yahoo.es wrote: Hi, I think the hole wall will be covered with copper anyway, maybe making a short circuit between layers. There are 2 ways: 1. Tell the pcb maker which holes will be not plated. 2. If you send the gerbers to an automatic pcb maker, such as pcbexpress, let them fill the hole and afterwards you can sand it with an abrasive file. And, as Abhijit says, with zero annular rings. Both ways have worked for us. Pedro. right clock on pad and go to pad edit. uncheck both the coper and component side. Hoping it may solve your problem. Abhijit Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
